NVC is based on broken PPC code

[smoothie]

NVC is based on broken PPC code.

Balthazar is a scammer.

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[xorxor]

hate to feed trolls, espacially ever hungry ones like smoothie, but :

I love the idea of NVC - I was thinking about scrypt PPC for last 2 months, as that is technically the best of the best a blockchain can get theese days. best diff algo - smooth and fast [PPC], realy low energy - pos [PPC] , asic-proof [much safer and much more stable - well distributed]

i dont care its flawed with not final ver 2 ppc code - sunnyking and balthazar explained why it doesnt matter.

but.... not to annouce in advance? this is just sad. if I wouldn't find out spying on EVERY russian language chat and announced it myself - it would be "early adapted" for much longer.

[DiCE1904]

waiakead3: NVC was premined and announce only to Russians. Awesome

wow....

[smoothie]

hate to feed trolls, espacially ever hungry ones like smoothie, but :

I love the idea of NVC - I was thinking about scrypt PPC for last 2 months, as that is technically the best of the best a blockchain can get theese days. best diff algo - smooth and fast [PPC], realy low energy - pos [PPC] , asic-proof [much safer and much more stable - well distributed]

i dont care its flawed with not final ver 2 ppc code - sunnyking and balthazar explained why it doesnt matter.

but.... not to annouce in advance? this is just sad. if I wouldn't find out spying on EVERY russian language chat and announced it myself - it would be "early adapted" for much longer.

Yeah label me a troll because I speak the truth. That is the oldest trick in the book on these forums.

Also would adding shit to a nicely made pizza be a good mix?

Adding something broken to something that is working doesn't really give it value. In fact this is the equation:

working code + broken code = broken code

 

[Monster Tent]

hate to feed trolls, espacially ever hungry ones like smoothie, but :

I love the idea of NVC - I was thinking about scrypt PPC for last 2 months, as that is technically the best of the best a blockchain can get theese days. best diff algo - smooth and fast [PPC], realy low energy - pos [PPC] , asic-proof [much safer and much more stable - well distributed]

i dont care its flawed with not final ver 2 ppc code - sunnyking and balthazar explained why it doesnt matter.

but.... not to annouce in advance? this is just sad. if I wouldn't find out spying on EVERY russian language chat and announced it myself - it would be "early adapted" for much longer.

Thats all well and good but dont premine the coin and announce it to only a select few. The only fair way to do it is have a publically announced starting date and supply clients for as many operating systems as possible.

[smoothie]

hate to feed trolls, espacially ever hungry ones like smoothie, but :

I love the idea of NVC - I was thinking about scrypt PPC for last 2 months, as that is technically the best of the best a blockchain can get theese days. best diff algo - smooth and fast [PPC], realy low energy - pos [PPC] , asic-proof [much safer and much more stable - well distributed]

i dont care its flawed with not final ver 2 ppc code - sunnyking and balthazar explained why it doesnt matter.

but.... not to annouce in advance? this is just sad. if I wouldn't find out spying on EVERY russian language chat and announced it myself - it would be "early adapted" for much longer.

Thats all well and good but dont premine the coin and announce it to only a select few. The only fair way to do it is have a publically announced starting date and supply clients for as many operating systems as possible.

+1

Balthazar doesn't consider that PREMINE when announcing to select group of people. He views it as public announcement lol.

So fail...lol

How many RealSolids do we need to go through?

How many RealSolids does it take to get a working blockchain that is accepted by the community? <------ REAL QUESTION LOL!

[Balthazar]

Yup admitted by Balthazar. He is proud of it.

Just another poof from smoothie. 

[smoothie]

Yup admitted by Balthazar. He is proud of it.

Just another poof from smoothie. 

Shall I get the chat log from btc-e? lol...

are you denying it? haha 

[markm]

Does it even matter anymore, if everyone can just tell Ripple which one they want to receive, set their prices in that one?

Who really cares what kind of wampum the sender sent as long as what arrives is the amount wanted of the type wanted?

Set your prices in whatevers and let people use whatever coin they want at their end.

-MarkM-

[smoothie]

Does it even matter anymore, if everyone can just tell Ripple which one they want to receive, set their prices in that one?

Who really cares what kind of wampum the sender sent as long as what arrives is the amount wanted of the type wanted?

Set your prices in whatevers and let people use whatever coin they want at their end.

-MarkM-

It is just funny to see some of the retarded perceptions of the concept of what PREMINE is or means.

Also about how one doesn't care about the userbase of the coin they created.

Humors me to infinity! 

[xorxor]

hate to feed trolls, espacially ever hungry ones like smoothie, but :

I love the idea of NVC - I was thinking about scrypt PPC for last 2 months, as that is technically the best of the best a blockchain can get theese days. best diff algo - smooth and fast [PPC], realy low energy - pos [PPC] , asic-proof [much safer and much more stable - well distributed]

i dont care its flawed with not final ver 2 ppc code - sunnyking and balthazar explained why it doesnt matter.

but.... not to annouce in advance? this is just sad. if I wouldn't find out spying on EVERY russian language chat and announced it myself - it would be "early adapted" for much longer.

Thats all well and good but dont premine the coin and announce it to only a select few. The only fair way to do it is have a publically announced starting date and supply clients for as many operating systems as possible.

I dont see ant "but" in your answer. I think we agree 100%.

author=smoothie
working code + broken code = broken code

I agree with that statement, I agree with your main accusation - bad annoucement.

BUT! :

not perfect code doesn't matter!! there is a babynet safety function enabled, that make this imperfection safe for now, and new code can be applied later when sunnyking launches 3.0 protocol. this is pure troling.

[markm]

So what if a bunch of Russians scam another bunch of Russians out of valuable hashing power?

As long as when a time comes that you sell them something for their ill-gotten gains you can get paid in something you value are you going to refuse to accept bitcoins or dollars or whatever your own currency of choice is from them merely because they raised it by scamming people out of hashes or rubles or whatever?

-MarkM-

[smoothie]

No pure trolling would be if I brought your mother and sister into the discussion.

Stating facts about what has been said and done is not trolling. Only in your warped little world.  

[smoothie]

So what if a bunch of Russians scam another bunch of Russians out of valuable hashing power?

As long as when a time comes that you sell them something for their ill-gotten gains you can get paid in something you value are you going to refuse to accept bitcoins or dollars or whatever your own currency of choice is from them merely because they raised it by scamming people out of hashes or rubles or whatever?

-MarkM-

Mark, it matters in that my bringing it to light warns others not to get involved without knowing the facts of No Value Coin.

Most people would just download the binaries, not review the source, and mine away thinking that they were starting in a level playing field for mining when really it is utterly just a scam.

[xorxor]

No pure trolling would be if I brought your mother and sister into the discussion.

Stating facts about what has been said and done is not trolling. Only in your warped little world.  

we can dance like this all night smoothie.

fact :  NVC uses imperfect code
fact :  there is no better version available
fact :  the problem it creates is protected, there is no hole, this flaw has no influence on anything, and patch is ready -in  last stage of testing.

fact : using facts that have no influence on anything is demagogy - and demagogy is troling,
 just a smart, good quality trolling, like allways from you

[markm]

No one was hiding the fact its another RUcoin, right, so a few million pre-mined is pretty much normal for them isn't it?

Actually one could argue that someone let the cat out of the bag too early since there weren't yet a couple of million pre-mined by the time it was mentioned here. I guess thats the flaw in trying to pre-mine by obscurity instead of by hard-coding your few million premined coins into block two.

-MarkM-

[Monster Tent]

No pure trolling would be if I brought your mother and sister into the discussion.

Stating facts about what has been said and done is not trolling. Only in your warped little world.  

we can dance like this all night smoothie.

fact :  NVC uses imperfect code
fact :  there is no better version available
fact :  the problem it creates is protected, there is no hole, this flaw has no influence on anything, and patch is almost ready.

fact : using facts that have no influence on anything is demagogy - and demagogy is troling,
 just a smart, good quality trolling, like allways from you

Starting yet another coin for no good reason is a form of trolling imo  

[Monster Tent]

No one was hiding the fact its another RUcoin, right, so a few million pre-mined is pretty much normal for them isn't it?

Actually one could argue that someone let the cat out of the bag too early since there weren't yet a couple of million pre-mined by the time it was mentioned here. I guess thats the flaw in trying to pre-mine by obscurity instead of by hard-coding your few million premined coins into block two.

-MarkM-

Ripple is 100% premined 

[Balthazar]

Yup admitted by Balthazar. He is proud of it.

Just another poof from smoothie.  

Shall I get the chat log from btc-e? lol...

are you denying it? haha  

Or, maybe you couldnt understand it?

If we take a closer look typical post from smoothie:

PADDINGPADDING... LOL AHAHA... PADDINGPADDING SCAM PADDINGPADDINGPADDING LOL AHAHA AHAHA LOL

We will see some problem there. Seriously, you should try to extend your dictionary and mind, because your messages similar to verbal diarrhea. Nothing personal, but there are not so many reasons to read this.

P.S. Trial period has expired, if you want to continue our dialogue, you can pay me for psychotherapy session.

[xorxor]

If we take a closer look typical post from smoothie:

PADDINGPADDING LOL AHAHA PADDINGPADDING SCAM PADDINGPADDINGPADDING LOL AHAHA AHAHA LOL

We will see some problem there. Seriously, you should try to extend your dictionary and mind, because your messages similar to verbal diarrhea. Nothing personal, but there are not so many reasons to read this.

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just make that button even darker  and voilà .

[markm]

No one was hiding the fact its another RUcoin, right, so a few million pre-mined is pretty much normal for them isn't it?

Actually one could argue that someone let the cat out of the bag too early since there weren't yet a couple of million pre-mined by the time it was mentioned here. I guess thats the flaw in trying to pre-mine by obscurity instead of by hard-coding your few million premined coins into block two.

-MarkM-

Ripple is 100% premined  

Yeah, Ripple is brilliant that way, get everyone distracted with all the IOU and distributed-exchange stuff while sneaking in a 100% premined coin that does not need vast electrical consumption to secure it. Pretending XRP is not intended as a currency its just an anti-spam measure. Brill.

-MarkM-

[Balthazar]

No one was hiding the fact its another RUcoin, right, so a few million pre-mined is pretty much normal for them isn't it?

"moneysupply" : 247758.79000000,

It was 117k yesterday (you can ask people in btc-e chat) and 18k before public release. So, there are 18k coins "pre-mined".

[markm]

Premine isn't a coin-killer anyway.

If anything, the fact that there are coins mined by any Tom DIck or Harry that has some hardware can be a bit of a killer, since a whole lot of those Toms Dicks and Harries throw away the coins they mine dirt cheap.

Once upon a time I was skeptical of the players who insisted on issuing 100%-premined coins, I never expected any of them to catch up with bitcoin in price. Yet most of them overtook bitcoin. Weird huh?

-MarkM-

[sangaman]

So NVC is broken and wasn't introduced properly, too bad...

I would be interested in a properly working and released scrypt-based proof of stake coin, however. And maybe not a complete copy of ppc otherwise would be nice. Variety is useful in alt-coins, clones not so much, in my opinion at least.

[Simran]

Funny cause "No va" in Spanish means No Go or Doesn't Go or Not Going... No Go Coin/ Doesn't Go Coin/ Not Going Coin..  this coin wouldn't be popular in Mexico, or any country that speaks Spanish for that matter... why do you think the Chevy Nova didn't take off in Mexico? Because in Spanish it meant Chevy Not Going Car LOL.

[nethead]

i want my debug window :mad:

[Balthazar]

Simran
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nova

nethead
Feature request accepted successfully

[bushstar]

There is no way to introduce a coin without Smoothie having a public melt down

[smoothie]

There is no way to introduce a coin without Smoothie having a public melt down

LOL actually no, litecoin did a good job. But then again we all want to be early adopters eh so we create a new coin and tell only our friends about it before making it publicly known.

hahaha

[markm]

Actually there is no need to create a new coin to be an early adopter, there are coins still running that have crazy-low difficulty so anyone can pick up a bunch of them very easily, heck you can even pick them up with merged-mining in some cases so you can get them using hashing you are already doing. Maybe eventually as even ASICs start being marginal due to driving difficulties up more and more ASIC miners will branch out into more and more merged chains but for now hardly anyone is merging more chains than bitparking and bitparking is only merging a few of the chains so there is plenty of room for early adoption still on a number of easy chains.

Hmm I guess maybe some people won't like me even saying this, it is a bit self-defeating maybe if anyone does in fact act on it, as right now people are able to just keep quietly harvesting them really easily simply because all the big miners don't bother with them yet. In a way the big miners are sitting back letting all the small people "pre-mine" the coins for the time being it seems. By the time the big players sit up and take notice many many small players could have some nice nest-eggs.

-MarkM-

[mc_lovin]

I'm waiting for someone to release a program that I can change 1 variable and then click a button and out it poops a new type of coin, everything prepackaged and ready to distribute.  Then tell everyone to invest!