Should Investor-Based games Sub-board be removed ?

[apoorvlathey]

What is the use of Investor-Based games Sub-board ? I know that there is a warning on the top but all the topics listed there are 100 % scams.
Users are sure to get scammed. I think this sub-board should be removed.

 What do you think admins ?

[NeuroticFish]

Some time ago the "Investor games" polluted the Games board.
The best option at that time (and I doubt that it'll change) was to contain them into a specific sub-board, where people will go on their own risk. You know, freedom of speech, too much hassle to keep removing the threads and so on...

Whoever don't want to see them, can easily ignore that board.

A proposal was that the board is by default is ignored, especially for the new users, but I am not sure that actually happens.

[Sharma]

Some time ago the "Investor games" polluted the Games board.
The best option at that time (and I doubt that it'll change) was to contain them into a specific sub-board, where people will go on their own risk. You know, freedom of speech, too much hassle to keep removing the threads and so on...

Whoever don't want to see them, can easily ignore that board.

A proposal was that the board is by default is ignored, especially for the new users, but I am not sure that actually happens.

I think it's not ignored by default, at least, i haven't touched those default settings, and i see scams on my "Show unread posts since last visit. " on a daily basis.

About the topic itself: like NeuroticFish already said: scams will not be removed due to free speech and stuff, so it's better they can at least be moved to a subforum where it's clear for everybody that there is a high risk of losing your coins if you accept any offer that is posted on this subforum.

For all i care, i wouldn't mind if scammers where banned, and scams removed, but i'm a guest on this forum, so i don't make the rules

[suchmoon]

What is the use of Investor-Based games Sub-board ? I know that there is a warning on the top but all the topics listed there are 100 % scams.
Users are sure to get scammed. I think this sub-board should be removed.

 What do you think admins ?

Removing the board will not remove the scams.

The threads will be created somewhere else or would have to be outlawed, which gets into the scam moderation issues.

[--Encrypted--]

there was a discussion about it here (short-lived. but you should read it anyway.). I would agree that removing IBG section would be good only if all of ponzi can be moderated/outlawed. but I'm not sure if they ever will.

[Lauda]

Depends on who you ask about it. However, if it were to be removed then investor-based "games" should be banned completely else something like this will happen again:

Some time ago the "Investor games" polluted the Games board.

[tmfp]

Maybe it can be viewed as educational.
There's a lot of young newbies with a get rich quick mentality about Bitcoin, if they see these "doublers" and "investments" in one place, coming and going with neg trust, then maybe it's not a complete waste of space if they learn a bit. The possible downside of that is they then think that on the rest of the board everything is legit..
Centralized moderation of scams is a can of worms that no one wants to open.

[Quartx]

My two cents

Create a subtopic hidden inside offtopic/rumors forums.

Call the subtopic: Potential Scams and make it red, put it at the bottom of the page, just above the page numbers.

Put all the shit scams which are not games at all inside that subtopic.

[NeuroticFish]

My two cents

Create a subtopic hidden inside offtopic/rumors forums.

Call the subtopic: Potential Scams and make it red, put it at the bottom of the page, just above the page numbers.

Put all the shit scams which are not games at all inside that subtopic.

LOL!! 
You are right, but nobody would post there.
We already/still have Ponzis in "Service discussions". If your idea would get implemented we'll get to the initial problem: scams/Ponti/investor games just f***in' everywhere.
The current solution is not the bad, it certainly cannot be improved much and I think that it was quite a thought of how to do it best.

[shorena]

My two cents

Create a subtopic hidden inside offtopic/rumors forums.

Call the subtopic: Potential Scams and make it red, put it at the bottom of the page, just above the page numbers.

Put all the shit scams which are not games at all inside that subtopic.

If all the scams are there, everything else is safe, right?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Seems like there was just a topic about this that I posted in and yes I saw the above link that was posted.  That was probably it.

I say it should be removed and ponzis should be banned.   But my opinion means nothing.  Your opinion means nothing.  Theymos I believe is the only person who can ban this and he hasn't.   It's silly in my opinion that ponzis are allowed on this forum--by the owner of the forum--and yet people who participate in them get neg trusted by folks in the owner's trust list (dt).

[cryptodevil]

Actually to claim that 100% of the 'games' in IBG are scams is false. I'd hazard a guess that 99.9% are.

It would be an unreasonable burden on forum moderation to expect staff to ban those they believed were scams because, as we know from the assholes who routinely post these threads, they don't give up on their scamming dreams easily. The simplest solution appears to be the system we have now, they end up in IBG and the community tags them as scams unless and until they can present a reasonable case as being otherwise.

I do think it would be worthwhile considering banning anybody under full member or even senior member level from opening new threads in there though. But I guess they'd just open a thread in another forum under a newbie account and just make the mods move it there instead, so that's not going to do much unless that could be avoided.

[Xenophoto]

Removing investor-based games sub board will only lead those ponzi promoters to post on other sub boards. They do not mind getting banned or getting any red trust because it only takes a few seconds to register and make a new account. I think the solution to this ponzi promoters problem is to ban any promotion of any investment site. No questions, no warning, just ban those Newbies promoting investment sites. Members that have high rank might be an exception though.

[Lauda]

Actually to claim that 100% of the 'games' in IBG are scams is false. I'd hazard a guess that 99.9% are.

Correct. As with everything, there is always an exception.

It would be an unreasonable burden on forum moderation to expect staff to ban those they believed were scams because, as we know from the assholes who routinely post these threads, they don't give up on their scamming dreams easily.

Not really, no. It would be a burden if we allowed such 'games' but removed the section. Otherwise, nuking those newbies isn't that hard nor does it require much effort.

I do think it would be worthwhile considering banning anybody under full member or even senior member level from opening new threads in there though.

I've seen those 1 post newbies asking for "investment" into some random BTC address.

[NeilLostBitCoin]

And why would you want to remove "Investor-Based Games"? Are you a ponzi supporter? Even though most of the users are get scammed, but still there's a few people who are not getting scammed because of the warnings there.

[Lauda]

And why would you want to remove "Investor-Based Games"?

Read previous posts.

Are you a ponzi supporter?

Why would a 'ponzi supporter' want to remove a section dedicated to ponzi's?

Even though most of the users are get scammed, but still there's a few people who are not getting scammed because of the warnings there.

In other words, the section is completely useless.

[Mastsetad]

What is the use of Investor-Based games Sub-board ? I know that there is a warning on the top but all the topics listed there are 100 % scams.
Users are sure to get scammed. I think this sub-board should be removed.

 What do you think admins ?

Removing the board is not a good idea at all.
Ofcourse all the topics in that sub-board are 100% scams but those scams won't get away if the board is removed.
That board even help a lot of people to stay safe from some scams, what if the board is removed and people out their getting scammed everyday and no one knows what's happening when they see it first?
This forum helps many people to stay away from those scams.

[Slow death]

Maybe it was the case of having more rules

Many people create account and put your site double and 3 days later flees with all bitccoins members

does not take even one hour to have another site making the same promise to double bitcoins and the same people who were crying because they lost many large bitcoins vain invest in new site

But what if you have rules that can change

The First rule would be that to disclose any site would have to be a member junior

The second would be that anyone who wanted to publish some double site it would have to leave bitcoins in custody of a member of confidence (custody serveria to pgar members flee in his case)

third rule all who invest in the double site should mark red trust in the admin that running double site and withdrew the red trust this when he paid.

fourth rule would create a topic that was intended to double reliable sites where they would be the websites that comply with the three requirements which I quoted above and 2 that would be:

The feathers sites with more than 6 months oline and pay

The feathers sites that the admin has less than 5 red trust

With this very much doubt that any site would double posted on the forum and would reduce scammers here forum.

I do not invest in these sites only think so we would not have so many members to cry out there because they were stolen by those damn admins double sites

If anyone has any better suggestion or want to add something feel free to

[Lauda]

This forum helps many people to stay away from those scams.

No, it does not. Since scams are not moderated and we have "investor-based games" section, this forum does not definitely prevent people from getting scammed.

The First rule would be that to disclose any site would have to be a member junior

That's too low. I'd require full member or senior. I've seen  lot of newbies in that section that just post an address and ask for "investments".

third rule all who invest in the double site should mark red trust in the admin that running double site and withdrew the red trust this when he paid.

That should not be a rule since trust is not moderated. I'm certain that these people get flagged by DT members anyways.

[Mastsetad]

This forum helps many people to stay away from those scams.

No, it does not. Since scams are not moderated and we have "investor-based games" section, this forum does not definitely prevent people from getting scammed.

But because this forum has the section "investor-based games" and it is written clearly there that almost all posts in this section are considered as scams, and if someone even after reading that line gets into a scam and give away his money then thats his foolishness but the forum is helping them by placing the suspicious threads in that section and also giving a warning about them.