Illegal things to buy!!

[rio3233]

Well as we all know that whenever we transact it always go through blockchain first. So is it possible that blockchain can detect illegal trasanction such as buying drugs, guns, hitman etc., especially on deepweb. And where does bitcoin go when blockchain detects a illegal transaction?

Nope, blockchain can't detect about illegal transaction. Transaction on deepweb must be very2 careful, and i don't think it can be detected by blockchain or anyone, beside the seller and buyer.

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[owm123]

Well as we all know that whenever we transact it always go through blockchain first. So is it possible that blockchain can detect illegal trasanction such as buying drugs, guns, hitman etc., especially on deepweb. And where does bitcoin go when blockchain detects a illegal transaction?

There are companies that do aim at detecting and monitoring illicit transactions in bitcoin for use by law enforcement, governments and merchants. For examples

https://www.elliptic.co/
http://www.coinalytics.co/
http://sabr.io/

An they can do this because bitcoin is not anonymous, but only pseduo-anonymous.

[greghansel89]

Well as we all know that whenever we transact it always go through blockchain first. So is it possible that blockchain can detect illegal trasanction such as buying drugs, guns, hitman etc., especially on deepweb. And where does bitcoin go when blockchain detects a illegal transaction?

Nope, blockchain can't detect about illegal transaction. Transaction on deepweb must be very2 careful, and i don't think it can be detected by blockchain or anyone, beside the seller and buyer.

Blockchain cant really detect any transaction that is being used illegally thats why people who do this loves bitcoin and they remain anonymous with it.

[AlexBits]

There are many illegal things that you can buy with Bitcoin and that is logic because Bitcoin is a nice payment method to buy some illegal stuff with it.
You can buy many things with Bitcoin like weapons and bullets and that is indeed quite bad but the world is also getting crazier.

[bryant.coleman]

You can buy many things with Bitcoin like weapons and bullets and that is indeed quite bad but the world is also getting crazier.

Buying guns, bestiality porn, drugs and other banned substances using physical cash is the most anonymous option. No matter how much you mix your coins, you are likely to leave a trail in the blockchain, leading back to your main wallet. However, if you use hard cash, then no matter how much the cops try, they can't trace you.

[Inauk]

You can buy many things with Bitcoin like weapons and bullets and that is indeed quite bad but the world is also getting crazier.

Buying guns, bestiality porn, drugs and other banned substances using physical cash is the most anonymous option. No matter how much you mix your coins, you are likely to leave a trail in the blockchain, leading back to your main wallet. However, if you use hard cash, then no matter how much the cops try, they can't trace you.

some people seems to don't understand that and try to show people how bad bitcoin could be because of that, i mean that this can be used to all those illegal things.

Blockchain cant really detect any transaction that is being used illegally thats why people who do this loves bitcoin and they remain anonymous with it.

not anonymous but pseduo-anonymous

[spazzdla]

Well as we all know that whenever we transact it always go through blockchain first. So is it possible that blockchain can detect illegal trasanction such as buying drugs, guns, hitman etc., especially on deepweb. And where does bitcoin go when blockchain detects a illegal transaction?

Illegal in USA! USA! USA!! FUCK YA AMERICA!! Can be legal else where..

AMREICA FUCK YAAAAAA.. .........................................................

[Betwrong]

some of these replies actually hurt my eyes... In order to avoid confusion:

- the blockchain = the technology behind bitcoin, recording all transactions in a public ledger
- blochchain.info = a website that offers services based on the blockchain
While the first is merely a piece of technology, the second is a company. The company can possibly do some data mining if they really wanted to.


- when you buy bitcoins, usually your name, address, paypal account, credit card, id,... or other forms of identifying information are needed. If somebody (FBI, interpol,...) wanted, they could easily find out who bought coins and on which address they were stored.
- when you trade your bitcoins for fiat or for physical services, the same information is needed, and the feds can link your identity to your wallet address.
- if somebody is really dedicated, he can follow the trail of the coins, unless you know how to conceil the coin movements (by using mixing services, coinjoin, exchanges,....)
This means that it doesn't matter if you use a VPN, tor or the computer in your public library, if you don't know what you're doing, somebody can follow the full trail of the bitcoins, from the moment they were mined, to the moment you bought them, to the exact moment where you traded them for dope, to the moment the dopedealer sold them again for fiat.


Luckily, if you're not doing horribly illegal stuff, i'm pretty sure law enforcement has better things to do than to find out who gambled $100 on dice or if you bought $50 worth of weed... I could be mistaking tough

Thank you very much for the the simple and yet very informative explanation. I don't think you are mistaken, but if somebody does it would be interesting to see what is he/she thinking.

[QuestionAuthority]

For those interested in knowing how you will eventually be caught using bitcoins illegally and how Ross Ulbrich and many users of Silk Road were caught:

Meiklejohn and her colleagues at UCSD and George Mason University have found that a little snooping in the blockchain can often uncover who owns which of those Bitcoin addresses. In a paper they presented at the Internet Measurement Conference in Barcelona, they showed that they could use “clustering” methods taking advantage of clues in how bitcoins are typically aggregated or split up to identify thousands of addresses based on just a few test transactions they performed. With the data from just 344 of their own transactions, they were able to label the owners of more than a million Bitcoin addresses. And by making just four deposits and seven withdrawals into accounts held on Silk Road, Meiklejohn says the researchers identified 295,435 addresses as belonging to that drug market.

When I asked Meiklejohn to try to trace Forbes’ transactions, I started by giving her the Bitcoin addresses associated with our account on the popular Bitcoin wallet service Coinbase–information that could in theory be obtained by any investigating law enforcement agency that sends Coinbase a subpoena. With just that list of my public addresses, she was able to identify every transaction we had made, including deposits to the Silk Road, to competitor sites Atlantis and Black Market Reloaded, and even a transfer to the personal account of Forbes reporter Kashmir Hill. (Hill had revealed her Bitcoin address during her earlier experiment of living for a week on nothing but Bitcoin.)

http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~smeiklejohn/files/imc13.pdf

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/09/05/follow-the-bitcoins-how-we-got-busted-buying-drugs-on-silk-roads-black-market/#3bc3aa1289a8

[altcoinhosting]

some of these replies actually hurt my eyes... In order to avoid confusion:

- the blockchain = the technology behind bitcoin, recording all transactions in a public ledger
- blochchain.info = a website that offers services based on the blockchain
While the first is merely a piece of technology, the second is a company. The company can possibly do some data mining if they really wanted to.


- when you buy bitcoins, usually your name, address, paypal account, credit card, id,... or other forms of identifying information are needed. If somebody (FBI, interpol,...) wanted, they could easily find out who bought coins and on which address they were stored.
- when you trade your bitcoins for fiat or for physical services, the same information is needed, and the feds can link your identity to your wallet address.
- if somebody is really dedicated, he can follow the trail of the coins, unless you know how to conceil the coin movements (by using mixing services, coinjoin, exchanges,....)
This means that it doesn't matter if you use a VPN, tor or the computer in your public library, if you don't know what you're doing, somebody can follow the full trail of the bitcoins, from the moment they were mined, to the moment you bought them, to the exact moment where you traded them for dope, to the moment the dopedealer sold them again for fiat.


Luckily, if you're not doing horribly illegal stuff, i'm pretty sure law enforcement has better things to do than to find out who gambled $100 on dice or if you bought $50 worth of weed... I could be mistaking tough

Thank you very much for the the simple and yet very informative explanation. I don't think you are mistaken, but if somebody does it would be interesting to see what is he/she thinking.

Sorry for the rant... I was just reading this thread yesterday evening, and i saw loads of people claiming that bitcoin was anonymous, and i saw some people that were actually getting confused between the blockchain and blockchain.info, so i made a post trying to clear things up.

In retrospect: it needs to be said that a normal user might not be able to track you down, since you'll probably need some warrants in order to get personal info from either the place where you bought coins, or the place where you traded them back for fiat... Also, it needs to be said that there are ways to break the connection between you personally and the coins you have in your wallet (coin mixers, exchanges, coinjoin, freshly mined blocks,...)

[Labumi]

For what you're worrying over it..?? . Each transaction regardless of the mafia not certainly do transactions with the use of different ways, so it's become a regular thing for us and the most important thing is that we don't do that enough already. I think Blockchain could do tracking every transaction is done but it also requires a fairly complicated system. Illegal transactions that existed before there were such things so Bitcoin will always be until doomsday. In this world there are two things that are never lost that is good and evil. Use the Bitcoin for you and leave the things that can harm you.

[JeWay]

Well indeed we can detect every transaction on the blockchain, but we don't know what was each transactions for. It can be for buying some 'good' things, or even a 'bad' things. We don't know

[RodeoX]

some of these replies actually hurt my eyes... In order to avoid confusion:

- the blockchain = the technology behind bitcoin, recording all transactions in a public ledger
- blochchain.info = a website that offers services based on the blockchain
While the first is merely a piece of technology, the second is a company. The company can possibly do some data mining if they really wanted to.


- when you buy bitcoins, usually your name, address, paypal account, credit card, id,... or other forms of identifying information are needed. If somebody (FBI, interpol,...) wanted, they could easily find out who bought coins and on which address they were stored.
- when you trade your bitcoins for fiat or for physical services, the same information is needed, and the feds can link your identity to your wallet address.
- if somebody is really dedicated, he can follow the trail of the coins, unless you know how to conceil the coin movements (by using mixing services, coinjoin, exchanges,....)
This means that it doesn't matter if you use a VPN, tor or the computer in your public library, if you don't know what you're doing, somebody can follow the full trail of the bitcoins, from the moment they were mined, to the moment you bought them, to the exact moment where you traded them for dope, to the moment the dopedealer sold them again for fiat.


Luckily, if you're not doing horribly illegal stuff, i'm pretty sure law enforcement has better things to do than to find out who gambled $100 on dice or if you bought $50 worth of weed... I could be mistaking tough

I agree with what you are saying. I would add though that it is at the third party level that your identity is tied to your coins. The overwhelming majority of my coins are not known to anyone but me. P.S. I do not use them for illegal activity, I am just exercising my right to privacy. 

[Boosterious]

Well as we all know that whenever we transact it always go through blockchain first. So is it possible that blockchain can detect illegal trasanction such as buying drugs, guns, hitman etc., especially on deepweb. And where does bitcoin go when blockchain detects a illegal transaction?

as long you not put any notes in your transaction,i think its impossible for blockchain to trace your transaction dcision,they obly can race from and to where your address come.

[delliaerd]

I think blockchain will be difficult to detect the illegal transactions with bitcoin in their site. Cause the transaction don't need to write for what someone do the transaction.

[DimensionZ]

Well as we all know that whenever we transact it always go through blockchain first. So is it possible that blockchain can detect illegal trasanction such as buying drugs, guns, hitman etc., especially on deepweb. And where does bitcoin go when blockchain detects a illegal transaction?

There are companies that do aim at detecting and monitoring illicit transactions in bitcoin for use by law enforcement, governments and merchants. For examples

https://www.elliptic.co/
http://www.coinalytics.co/
http://sabr.io/

An they can do this because bitcoin is not anonymous, but only pseduo-anonymous.

Wow I didn't even know that Bitcoin reconnaissance is even a thing until now. Elliptic are saying on their website that they can trace Bitcoin addresses of dark web entities wow can they really do that? I thought deals on the dark web are very hard to track down if not impossible. Maybe they have developed an algorithm to datamine suspicious transactions or something because if they are doing this manually it sounds crazy.

[Jasad]

I think blockchain will be difficult to detect the illegal transactions with bitcoin in their site. Cause the transaction don't need to write for what someone do the transaction.

excatly,even for bitcoin address which used for gamble or address from gambling site,blockchain not care and not trace is as bad or illegal thing,so i think blockchain so far not take responsibility for any illegal thing.

[nitrobet777]

I think blockchain will be difficult to detect the illegal transactions with bitcoin in their site. Cause the transaction don't need to write for what someone do the transaction.

excatly,even for bitcoin address which used for gamble or address from gambling site,blockchain not care and not trace is as bad or illegal thing,so i think blockchain so far not take responsibility for any illegal thing.

Of course. Why they should take responsibility.
It's our own responsibility what we buy.

[sana54210]

As much as I know, bitcoins were once highly used in the deepweb/dark market before, and I think it's a little obvious that bitcoins are still being used in purchasing illegal stuff right now as you are reading this post. As most of the users above, blockchain does not track the nature of the business done. Blockchain only records as to who are the senders and receivers of the transaction.

[PacePay]

I think Blockchain is unable to detect that what thing is bought with the transaction occur, and I think it also does not detect that which person is that who send or receive that bitcoin transferred.