thug life

[Kialara]

Auctioning serials 01, 03 and 05 in this single thread. Each auction to end tomorrow. There are ten pieces total in this edition. Series 2009, uncirculated and with sequential serial numbers. Denominated 0.23BTC

Each to start at 0.4BTC

Bid increments 0.1

No sniping; each auction will end 5 minutes after the deadline is passed and no new bids are submitted. If a new bid is submitted, 5 minutes will be added.

Serial 01 ends @ 2 pm CST, April 15th. (JF 03296801) 7pm forum time

Serial 03 ends @ 3 pm CST, April 15th. (JF 03296803) 8pm forum time

Serial 05 ends @ 5 pm CST, April 15th. (JF 03296805) 9pm forum time

Payment: Bitcoin only.

Payment Address: 1CxD3apiQPWK7EM5Xnm9QrfKZv3FJeKHYk

I will not require that you fund the piece, although I think it would be cool if all 10 are funded.



Below is the actual reply from my attorney who spent the afternoon researching for me.

Essentially, the law that regulates the defacing of US currency is in place for a specific reason and designed to punish those that have ulterior motives for the currency. Thus, the intent necessity. The key part of the statute is the intent necessity. You must deface the currency with the intent for the currency to be rendered unfit for recirculation. Glasses and a stamp does not render it unfit for circulation and you are not causing it to permanently be taken out of circulation. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that the art in question violates 18 U.S.C. 333.

I asked if he'd like one of the pieces as compensation for his time and he was delighted. I will be funding his for him also 

Regardless, I won't be doing a similar project in the future.

This morning... I did not like the way CCN.LA portrayed my piece, by darkening the image and suggesting this is some form of rebellious act, which it is not in any form.

"I hope people see what you're doing as an expression of art and freedom on speech." - a quote from a twitter follower this morning that I wanted to share because it's how I feel. (thank you)

Good luck to all.

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[AltcoinScamfinder]

0.5 BTC

[Kialara]

0.5 BTC

Please specify serial 01, 03, or 05 (or all)

[Kialara]

I looked to see how others end their auctions on this forum, and I like the 5 minute rule. It seems like there's less room for potential conflicts at the end. And 0.1 bid increments so that it won't stretch out for an hour.

[AltcoinScamfinder]

Actually, 0.6 BTC per. Bidding on all 3.

[Zyro]

0.7BTC for Serial 05

[Otoh]

0.8 BTC on each, bidding on all three.

[knifefight]

1BTC for any serial.

[BookofNick]

Hey Max, will you be auctioning or selling the remaining 7 of these at some point?

[Otoh]

1 BTC on each, bidding on all three, a total of 3 BTC atm, I will fund them, two are for gifts.

[Kialara]

Hey Max, will you be auctioning or selling the remaining 7 of these at some point?

I will most likely auction two more. Serials 7 & 9. I'm keeping one. One for my attorney. And I can't say where the other three are going yet but I have tentative plans for them.

[Otoh]

1 BTC on each, bidding on all three, a total of 3 BTC atm, I will fund them, two are for gifts.

Sorry that should read 1.1 BTC on each, bidding on all three.

[knifefight]

1.5BTC on serial 1.

[dozerz]

1.2 @ serial 5

[Kialara]

As a courtesy to current bitcointalk users, if you are a customer of mine new to the forum here, and you are actively bidding or plan on bidding, can you please email me your bitcointalk user id or pm it to me here in the forum along with your name.

If you are not a customer already and you are bidding or plan on bidding with a new account, please pm me so I can verify you have sufficient funds by signing a transfer or placing funds in escrow.

Thank you!

[Quickseller]

This morning... I did not like the way CCN.LA portrayed my piece, by darkening the image and suggesting this is some form of rebellious act, which it is not in any form.

Unfortunately the bitcoin related media does a pretty poor job at being journalists.

I would say that more then half of their sources are not reputable enough to be quoted in a news article and the many news articles are editorialized when they are presented as news.

I might suggest that you somehow mark any bills as being "unfunded" and/or "buyer funded" in the event that any of the winners declines to fund the bills with .23BTC in order to prevent someone from presenting one of these bills as being funded when in fact it is not. 

[knifefight]

Sent you an email. I'm one of your existing customers that was pointed towards this auction by your email. I lurk on bitcointalk a lot but I never had any reason to post.

[jflowers]

1.4 for #3

[Kialara]

Sent you an email. I'm one of your existing customers that was pointed towards this auction by your email. I lurk on bitcointalk a lot but I never had any reason to post.

knifefight thank you very much! Yes of course I know you and all is good. Thanks again.

[Kialara]

1.4 for #3

I recognize you also  thanks for coming.

[Otoh]

1.6 BTC on each, bidding on all three.

[Otoh]

...

I might suggest that you somehow mark any bills as being "unfunded" and/or "buyer funded" in the event that any of the winners declines to fund the bills with .23BTC in order to prevent someone from presenting one of these bills as being funded when in fact it is not. 

They are worth more funded so the buyers will do so, it's easy enough to check which any secondary buyer would, to alter the billls now would invalidate the sale offering.

I assume all are slabbed like the example #1.

[Kialara]

...

I might suggest that you somehow mark any bills as being "unfunded" and/or "buyer funded" in the event that any of the winners declines to fund the bills with .23BTC in order to prevent someone from presenting one of these bills as being funded when in fact it is not. 

They are worth more funded so the buyers will do so, it's easy enough to check which any secondary buyer would, to alter the billls now would invalidate the sale offering.

I assume all are slabbed like the example #1.

You bring up a good point about these reading as saying they are funded.

Maybe I just need to require they be funded before I ship them like I had originally planned. I think everyone would be okay with that. It's a fraction of the selling price at this point.

[Otoh]

...

I might suggest that you somehow mark any bills as being "unfunded" and/or "buyer funded" in the event that any of the winners declines to fund the bills with .23BTC in order to prevent someone from presenting one of these bills as being funded when in fact it is not. 

They are worth more funded so the buyers will do so, it's easy enough to check which any secondary buyer would, to alter the billls now would invalidate the sale offering.

I assume all are slabbed like the example #1.

You bring up a good point about these reading as saying they are funded.

Maybe I just need to require they be funded before I ship them like I had originally planned. I think everyone would be okay with that. It's a fraction of the selling price at this point.

Yep, that would be best and also any newbie bidders (no offense guys) should also escrow 1 BTC per bill that they bid on by sending to your addie so that everyone can see they are legit, you define newbie, maybe less than 3 months on the forum &/or over 20 posts that aren't spam/BS, your call.

[Kialara]

...

I might suggest that you somehow mark any bills as being "unfunded" and/or "buyer funded" in the event that any of the winners declines to fund the bills with .23BTC in order to prevent someone from presenting one of these bills as being funded when in fact it is not. 

They are worth more funded so the buyers will do so, it's easy enough to check which any secondary buyer would, to alter the billls now would invalidate the sale offering.

I assume all are slabbed like the example #1.

You bring up a good point about these reading as saying they are funded.

Maybe I just need to require they be funded before I ship them like I had originally planned. I think everyone would be okay with that. It's a fraction of the selling price at this point.

Yep, that would be best and also any newbie bidders (no offense guys) should also escrow 1 BTC per bill that they bid on by sending to your addie so that everyone can see they are legit, you define newbie, maybe less than 3 months on the forum &/or over 20 posts that aren't spam/BS, your call.

Okay, so the bars must be funded by the winning bidders prior to shipping. Done.

Another idea that might be better than the escrow would be if every newbie (or bidder) from here forward had to send 0.23BTC to a reputable escrow member on the site. Then everyone would get back their .23 btc except the winner. Their .23btc would be sent to the bill.

I will leave the escrow part up to you all This is thug life.

My address is listed so feel free to send deposits there. It's safe.

[Otoh]

That works for me, many thanks, will check back tomorrow...

[knifefight]

2BTC for #1. I'm happy to fund before shipping. I'm not interested in involving escrow with someone else on the site. I might be a newbie with this forum but I've done business with Kialara before.

[miffman]

1.7BTC for #3

I wonder if I will have any shipping issues because I remember seing some posters around customs about money and coins being shipped in. Can't remember exactly what it was about though.

[AltcoinScamfinder]

1.5BTC per, bidding on all 3.

[AltcoinScamfinder]

Disregard my comment, didn't see that more posts had been made. 2.1BTC on nr #3

[miffman]

1.7 on serial 5

[IBGigglin]

1.7BTC for #3

I wonder if I will have any shipping issues because I remember seing some posters around customs about money and coins being shipped in. Can't remember exactly what it was about though.

Ive had certain counties not allow coins or fiat currency on customs sheets. I just use collectible tokens rather than coins on the sheets. Never had an issue. Just label them "privately owned paper rendered by the thug in life." 

GLWS. These are beautiful.

[miffman]

1.7BTC for #3

I wonder if I will have any shipping issues because I remember seing some posters around customs about money and coins being shipped in. Can't remember exactly what it was about though.

Ive had certain counties not allow coins or fiat currency on customs sheets. I just use collectible tokens rather than coins on the sheets. Never had an issue. Just label them "privately owned paper rendered by the thug in life." 

GLWS. These are beautiful.

I would probably ask to label it as that if I bought it. They did hold back my lealana's a while back but after some explanation that it's not Fiat money. All part of the fun I guess.

[AnAnarchist]

2.1BTC bid for #1

I'm at work now but will provide some proof and/or send you the funding amount as you asked. I'll be home before any auctions close

[BabyWhaleNuke]

2.2 for #1.

Saw the email. Can't pass it up.

[AnAnarchist]

WARNING!

I just had an email from a fake newb Kialara ` account attempting to get me to deposit my bid amount in a BTC address.

BEWARE SCAMMER

Also 1.8BTC bid on serial number five

[miffman]

Thanks for the warning!

1.9BTC on serial 5.

[thevampireskilledit]

BTC2.3 for #1

[AnAnarchist]

2.4BTC for number 1

[AltcoinScamfinder]

2.5BTC @ #1

[AnAnarchist]

2.6BTC for number 1

[greenplastic]

2.8BTC for number 1

[AltcoinScamfinder]

2BTC on 5

[AnAnarchist]

2.9BTC for number 1

[greenplastic]

3BTC

[greenplastic]

3BTC

3BTC for number 1

[AltcoinScamfinder]

I think 3 & 5 are done, 1 is still going for 3 more min if I understand correctly

[miffman]

2.1 for serial 5

[AnAnarchist]

3.1BTC for number 1

[AltcoinScamfinder]

2.1 for serial 5

I think  you are 1 in late since my bid.

[AltcoinScamfinder]

2.1 for serial 5

I think  you are 1 in late since my bid.

If not 2.2BTC

[Otoh]

3.3 BTC for number 1

[greenplastic]

3.5BTC for number 1

[Otoh]

3.7 BTC for number 1

[greenplastic]

3.8BTC for number 1

[TheNewAnon135246]

Wow.......just wow!

[Otoh]

4 BTC for number 1

[greenplastic]

4.1 B I T C O I N  for number 1

[Otoh]

4.5 BTC for number 1

[miffman]

2.3 for serial 3

[miffman]

2.1 for serial 5

I think  you are 1 in late since my bid.

If not 2.2BTC

Not late, I think you got the times mixed up. serial 3 ends in half an hour.

[Poloherb]

TOP!! auction

[AltcoinScamfinder]

2.1 for serial 5

I think  you are 1 in late since my bid.

If not 2.2BTC

Not late, I think you got the times mixed up. serial 3 ends in half an hour.

You are correct, my mistake.

[jflowers]

2.5 for no.3

[AltcoinScamfinder]

2.7BTC # 3

[miffman]

2.3BTC for serial 5.

[AnAnarchist]

2.8BTC for number 3

[Otoh]

3.3 BTC for Number 3

[wheelz1200]

3.3 BTC for Number 3

Between #1 and #3. 

[greenplastic]

3.5BTC for number 3.

[Otoh]

4 BTC for Number 3

[AltcoinScamfinder]

4.1 BTC for NR 3

[greenplastic]

4.5BTC for number 3

[Otoh]

4.8 BTC for Number 3

[greenplastic]

4.9BTC #3

[MRBONG411]

I wanted one of these so bad and never realized they would go so high.

Truly amazing pieces of art.

[AltcoinScamfinder]

5 BTC # 3

[AnAnarchist]

2.4BTC for serial 5

[Kialara]

Can someone fill me in on where we are at?

[Kialara]

otoh #1 winner
altcoinscamfinder #3 winner
correct?

[miffman]

2.5 serial 5

[AnAnarchist]

2.6BTC number 5

[miffman]

2.7 for serial 5

[AnAnarchist]

2.8BTC for number 5

[miffman]

2.9BTC for serial 5

[AnAnarchist]

3BTC for number 5

[miffman]

3.1BTC this is way more than I expected to bid!

[AnAnarchist]

3.2BTC for number 5

[miffman]

3.3

[AnAnarchist]

3.4BTC for number 5

[miffman]

3.5 for serial 5. I'm out after this.

[AnAnarchist]

3.6BTC for number 5

[miffman]

3.7BTC. Last bid. 

[AnAnarchist]

3.8BTC for number 5

[wheelz1200]

Around 13 btc for 3 $100 bills, wow.  These are really nice but my range was way lower.  Wish he made more so they could go for a little cheaper...     either way beautiful pieces

[markj113]

Around 13 btc for 3 $100 bills, wow.  These are really nice but my range was way lower.  Wish he made more so they could go for a little cheaper...     either way beautiful pieces

Dont worry they will soon come when the seller realises what a killing he's made off the original 3.

Expect some different valued notes and 3 butthurt initial buyers 

[AnAnarchist]

Good bif war miffman, I was close to my limit too. Lovely pieces.

@Kialara Shall I just go ahead and send the btc to the address in OP? I've already sent funding amount as per PM I sent earlier.

[AnAnarchist]

Around 13 btc for 3 $100 bills, wow.  These are really nice but my range was way lower.  Wish he made more so they could go for a little cheaper...     either way beautiful pieces

Dont worry they will soon come when the seller realises what a killing he's made off the original 3.

Expect some different valued notes and 3 butthurt initial buyers 

Quite possible!

On the other hand these are the 1st and if he can demand such high prices I doubt he'd mass produce. Wiser to produce (work) less and keep demand high! Also he did say he wasn't keen on working with notes again due to legal concerns.

[Kialara]

Good bif war miffman, I was close to my limit too. Lovely pieces.

@Kialara Shall I just go ahead and send the btc to the address in OP? I've already sent funding amount as per PM I sent earlier.

So, correct me if I'm wrong

01 @ 4.5btc to Otoh
03 @ 5btc to altcoinscamfinder
05 @ 3.8btc to AnAnarchist

Thank you to all the participants.    

AnAnarchist, yes I received your .23 deposit thanks. If you want to pay the total, I will refund the .23 and give you the bills address so you can fund it directly. Thank you.

[Kialara]

that guy before me is NOT ME

[AnAnarchist]

that guy before me is NOT ME

No probs I've got my eyes peeled on the scammers!

I'll send along the funds shortly.

[Kialara]

that guy before me is NOT ME

No probs I've got my eyes peeled on the scammers!

I'll send along the funds shortly.

correct address 1CxD3apiQPWK7EM5Xnm9QrfKZv3FJeKHYk

[AnAnarchist]

That's me sent the 3.8btc to 1GwebUNHEtMTspkBaF2tkGqLU8XvwrSMRK


If you could refund the 0.23 to 1GwebUNHEtMTspkBaF2tkGqLU8XvwrSMRK

and I'll then send it to the wallet address. Please PM the address

I may actually hit the sack shortly but rest assured I will be in contact tomorrow to sort shipping details   

[AnAnarchist]

That's me sent the 3.8btc to 1CxD3apiQPWK7EM5Xnm9QrfKZv3FJeKHYk


If you could refund the 0.23 to 1GwebUNHEtMTspkBaF2tkGqLU8XvwrSMRK

and I'll then send it to the wallet address. Please PM the address

I may actually hit the sack shortly but rest assured I will be in contact tomorrow to sort shipping details   

Pasting fail

[Kialara]

That's me sent the 3.8btc to 1CxD3apiQPWK7EM5Xnm9QrfKZv3FJeKHYk


If you could refund the 0.23 to 1GwebUNHEtMTspkBaF2tkGqLU8XvwrSMRK

and I'll then send it to the wallet address. Please PM the address

I may actually hit the sack shortly but rest assured I will be in contact tomorrow to sort shipping details   

Pasting fail

I received your payment, and appreciate it very much. Thank you. 0.23 refunded to the address you posted. Get some sleep! I will get back to you via PM with bill address. Continue to watch out for the fucking scammers.

[Otoh]

I won Number 3 as the five minutes to place a higher bid than mine had expired I believe, once I saw 5 mins then I went afk as it was in the bag.

[Otoh]

[Otoh]

Ooops, wrong Imgur...

[Otoh]

[Kialara]

Otoh, I believe you are correct as Altcoinscamfinders post was 19 seconds too late.

Otoh 4.8 BTC for Number 3 @ 08:13:30

green plastic 4.9 BTC for Number 3 @ 08:18:49, 19 seconds too late

[Otoh]

I though Number 5 was finishing now, as in the OP for CT:

Serial 05 ends @ 5 pm CST, April 15th. (JF 03296805) 9pm forum time

[Otoh]

If you got the time wrong then this should be relisted as I planned to bid and I expect others wished to as well.

[Kialara]

I though Number 5 was finishing now, as in the OP for CT:

Serial 05 ends @ 5 pm CST, April 15th. (JF 03296805) 9pm forum time

Otoh you are right again. Let bidding commence, then.

[Otoh]

Anyway I bid 4 BTC for Number 5 assuming it still is on.

[Kialara]

Anyway I bid 4 BTC for Number 5 assuming it still is on.

yes it is still on. my mistake.

[Otoh]

Good

[AltcoinScamfinder]

Oh snap, did I not win one?

[AltcoinScamfinder]

Then I bit 4.1 BTC on the remaining.

[Otoh]

Then I bit 4.1 BTC on the remaining.

Sorry, a few seconds too late.

[AltcoinScamfinder]

Just not my day I guess. Sucks.

[Kialara]

Then I bit 4.1 BTC on the remaining.

Sorry, a few seconds too late.

My head's spinning, but Otoh is right.

[Otoh]

Then I bit 4.1 BTC on the remaining.

Sorry, a few seconds too late.

My head's spinning, but Otoh is right.

Thanks for confirming, I have to pop out now, bbl to organize payment/funding them etc...

[wheelz1200]

Then I bit 4.1 BTC on the remaining.

Sorry, a few seconds too late.

Wow is anarchist gonna be pissed when he gets up....this was a screwy auction, scammed wrong times, 2 bidders that thought they won...

[wheelz1200]

Meant to say scammers, wrong ending times...

[Kialara]

Meant to say scammers, wrong ending times...

That scammer that popped in asking for payment totally messed me up and I lost all track of time. Auctioning here is a whole new beast compared to eBay. I believe I will be able to work something out with Anarchist on one of the other bills that he will be happy with.

[Kialara]

Around 13 btc for 3 $100 bills, wow.  These are really nice but my range was way lower.  Wish he made more so they could go for a little cheaper...     either way beautiful pieces

Dont worry they will soon come when the seller realises what a killing he's made off the original 3.

Expect some different valued notes and 3 butthurt initial buyers 

Quite possible!

On the other hand these are the 1st and if he can demand such high prices I doubt he'd mass produce. Wiser to produce (work) less and keep demand high! Also he did say he wasn't keen on working with notes again due to legal concerns.

This was a one time thing. Even if I did this again in with $50's I don't think the demand would be the same. It's not worth it, and it would hurt my image which would negatively effect the value of these originals. I wouldn't be surprised to see similar listings from other sellers though — on Zimbabwe 100 Trillion notes perhaps.

[Otoh]

Hi Kialara,

So in summary, I was fortunate enough to win all three lots of your auction:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1437556.0;all

Serial 01 ends @ 2 pm CST, April 15th. (JF 03296801) for 4.5 BTC

Serial 03 ends @ 3 pm CST, April 15th. (JF 03296803) for 4.8 BTC

Serial 05 ends @ 5 pm CST, April 15th. (JF 03296805) for 4.0 BTC

Payment: Bitcoin only. Total 13.30 BTC & 0.23 BTC x 3 for funding them = 0.69 BTC, a total of 13.99 BTC.

Payment Address: 1CxD3apiQPWK7EM5Xnm9QrfKZv3FJeKHYk

If you give me the three funding addies then I'll send them 0.23 BTC each from the addie in my sig: 1otohotohMoQoxHuxLBveQiZcV3Pji3Tc I will also pay you the 13.30 BTC from this addie & sign it with the auction thread link.

Please to confirm that all three are encased in perspex slabs like the # 1 one illustrated in the OP.

I will email you with my shipping info which is a PO box, I assume from your blog http://www.maxfield.me/blog/ that you're in the States and can send these by USPS Priority Express Insured, it may not be for the full amount, approx $5,700 - in fact I think the limit is just $100 per package, but if you send them in three separate packages then that would be fine. If you'd rather send them by courier like Fed-Ex then I can give you a residential address np.

Please to send them on Monday the 18th if possible as it works best for me if they arrive by Wednesday the 20th ideally, but I can make arrangements if they are going to arrive later than that, many thanks.

Otoh

cc: Emailed to you as well.

[Otoh]

If sending after I fund them then the total value is 13.99 BTC, approx $6,000

[wheelz1200]

Around 13 btc for 3 $100 bills, wow.  These are really nice but my range was way lower.  Wish he made more so they could go for a little cheaper...     either way beautiful pieces

Dont worry they will soon come when the seller realises what a killing he's made off the original 3.

Expect some different valued notes and 3 butthurt initial buyers 

Quite possible!

On the other hand these are the 1st and if he can demand such high prices I doubt he'd mass produce. Wiser to produce (work) less and keep demand high! Also he did say he wasn't keen on working with notes again due to legal concerns.

This was a one time thing. Even if I did this again in with $50's I don't think the demand would be the same. It's not worth it, and it would hurt my image which would negatively effect the value of these originals. I wouldn't be surprised to see similar listings from other sellers though — on Zimbabwe 100 Trillion notes perhaps.

[wheelz1200]

Sorry hit send to quick.  The part that I liked about the piece was adding the use equivalent with the date associated with the funding.  It will be neat to look back, 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, etc. The value of the .23 versus the $100.  Well done and congrats to otah in getting fine pieces.

[Blazed]

Pretty cool how this went, but I wish Max had stuck to his original plan of 1 per person. Congrats to Max for making such cool pieces and to Otoh for getting all of them.

[astrocity1981]

Will there be more I missed this Benjamins auction. Nice work Max.

[Kialara]

Pretty cool how this went, but I wish Max had stuck to his original plan of 1 per person. Congrats to Max for making such cool pieces and to Otoh for getting all of them.

When I decided to relist the auction, after meeting with my attorney, I was in the mindset that I wanted to get this project off my hands quickly. I'd do a one-day auction for three of them followed by an auction of two. I did not remember to add the one-per-person rule to the post, and think it was the moment Otoh shared that two were for his friends that I remembered. By then I didn't see how it would be possible to add the rule back, as people were placing bids for all three. If Otoh won the 1st, and wasn't qualified to bid on the second, others may be upset that he had bids placed on an item he couldn't technically win.

[Kialara]

Will there be more I missed this Benjamins auction. Nice work Max.

Thanks astrocity1981, and same to you Blazed.

[Otoh]

my emails with the seller...

Hi Max,

I didn't know that there was an overnight express service from USPS, that would be great, it's fine to send them all on the same day but if the slabs aren't available for the other two to arrive by Wednesday then there's no rush at all for them as I have a friend here who takes care of my PO box when I'm away, it auto-signs for everything as soon as it arrives so that's np.

I'm heading to the UK on Wednesday so will be flying trans-Atlantic Wednesday and Thursday being afk then, so if you are planning on listing # 7 & # 9 then it would be best to wait until after mid week as I will not let them go for a low price if I can participate, please to also let me know when you do list them or an other coins anywhere as I don't monitor the for sale/auction threads, it was good that you got the publicity (even if it was a bit iffey) or I would not have seen the original auction thread.

I much appreciate you not diluting your brand and also I rather like the idea of Zimbabwe 100 Trillion or whatever notes, perhaps with 1 BTC funding as your brand can definitely run to that for small limited editions, also np with Uncle Sam's currency guardians.

Actually a whole series of the major fiats would be cool, ie the 500 Euro notes & 1,000 Swiss Francs ones at their BTC face value, China, Russia, Japan, etc - would cost a bit in materials but the media would love it I expect, the collectors too

Out to dinner now, more later/tomorrow...

ATB,

Otoh

...

Ok, can I ask when I will receive payment... It will be easier to explain to Anarchist that his piece is unavailable knowing it has been paid for.

Thanks!

...

If you don't have full payment, perhaps a deposit at least or payment for 05 right away?

....

I'm planning to begin asking the other bidders if they are still interested since you have not replied with any payment info or when you intend to pay. I'm not saying you won't but I want to wrap this up.

.....

"
I'm planning to begin asking the other bidders if they are still interested since you have not replied with any payment info or when you intend to pay. I'm not saying you won't but I want to wrap this up.
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My god, this is totally unprofessional and unwarranted, I just won all three of your items at top dollar price on a Friday evening now, there was no instant pay requirement in the OP, we are arranging a $6,000 sale which you need to chill about a bit IMO, it's not like you are mailing them right now anyway, I plan to pay on Sunday OK when I am clear with you about when and how they will be mailed next week FFS.

I can pay on Saturday of course but chill TFO please or you just come across as a hustler needing instant money from whoever rather than an artist who respects their clients.

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I jumped through all your hoops, so I expect some clarity from you. Esp bc you wanted to make certain everyone had funds to pay. I don't care much about .5 btc difference in the bids. I just want respect and I'm not crazy about how you've acted since the beginning. I don't need money right away. You can have until noon central to pay in full or cancel if you like now. The other bidders have already offered to buy at their bid.

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I've made no hoops for you to jump through at all, I've just ensured that your auction was understandable and fair as stated in the OP to all, it seems that you don't care for my trying to be precise about your offering well sorry about that, there was some confusion about it all as posts in the thread show, anyway I do intend to pay in full of course, I just assumed like any other civilized auction we could iron out the shipping details in the next 24 hours etc without you sending me stuff like "If you don't have full payment, perhaps a deposit at least or payment for 05 right away? " - I mean really, why be so rude when you can check my rep and see that I am a BTC early adopter and can easily buy this thousands of times over.

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If you can pay a thousand times over, actually, please send payment in full now, within the next 10-15 min, or I'm going with the other bidders. You can leave me negative feedback if you like. They said they would pay immediately. If I win an auction and the seller sends me a BTC address, I pay or at least discuss it.  You ignored it.

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No I did no ignore it, it was never a requirement to pay instantly, I will not be hustled on a $6,000 sale, it is a Friday night and I've been out for dinner and drinks, I do not open my wallet in those times after drinking especially as there is no need, I will send you full payment tomorrow unless you renegade on our deal as you seem intent upon doing, I will post our emails to the thread so others can at least see what's going down here.

"10-15 min" FFS!!!

[Kialara]

when I win an auction the first thing I do is pay them, or discuss payment. there were emails requesting the payment so I can send you the addresses to fund which you ignored. You wanted me to implement a deposit system during the auction to ensure all bidders had funds to pay. You were having me verify everyone - I get that... but it was getting to be grating. I won't bother sharing those private messages b/c what does that help?

Needless to say, I won't be shipping these items to you.

[coinpr0n]

Really nice collectors items here. I hope this auction works out great and goes smoothly for all participants! Best of luck!

[Otoh]

Kialara made some great BTC/USD art pieces but seems to not wish to honor my winning them at auction, it was a bit messy and others would have bid more than me if it had been clearer for sure, but now it seems he would rather go with others who will offer a little more and saying pay in the next 15 mins is just totally unprofessional when talking about a $6,000 deal that anyway wouldn't be mailed until next week.

[Kialara]

Kialara made some great BTC/USD art pieces but seems to not wish to honor my winning them at auction, it was a bit messy and others would have bid more than me if it had been clearer for sure, but now it seems he would rather go with others who will offer a little more and saying pay in the next 15 mins is just totally unprofessional when talking about a $6,000 deal that anyway wouldn't be mailed until next week.

No, I'm accepting less. They are paying to the address posted so you can verify. There's a lot more communication between us you did't post, but who shares others private emails to forums anyways. It's disrespectful and you've annoyed me enough already.

[Otoh]

Really nice collectors items here. I hope this auction works out great and goes smoothly for all participants! Best of luck!

I wish, but it seems that the seller just got greedy and now refuses to honer my auction wins because he thinks that he can get more from those who did not bid as his auction was messed up time wise etc, totally how to fail as an artist or anything else IMO.

[Otoh]

Kialara made some great BTC/USD art pieces but seems to not wish to honor my winning them at auction, it was a bit messy and others would have bid more than me if it had been clearer for sure, but now it seems he would rather go with others who will offer a little more and saying pay in the next 15 mins is just totally unprofessional when talking about a $6,000 deal that anyway wouldn't be mailed until next week.

No, I'm accepting less. They are paying to the address posted so you can verify. There's a lot more communication between us you did't post, but who shares others private emails to forums anyways. It's disrespectful and you've annoyed me enough already.

Please post all our emails np, you are weasling out of this, or trying to at least...

[Kialara]

And I felt bad that Anarchist didn't win when I thought he did. I even offered to give him a deal on the 02 bill I planned to keep for myself, but I had this feeling you didn't even have the funds when you were asking me to verify that everyone else did during the auction. Maybe you do, I can't say. It's not important. But if you had paid for 05 at least I'd be comfortable selling him 02.

[Kialara]

Really nice collectors items here. I hope this auction works out great and goes smoothly for all participants! Best of luck!

I wish, but it seems that the seller just got greedy and now refuses to honer my auction wins because he thinks that he can get more from those who did not bid as his auction was messed up time wise etc, totally how to fail as an artist or anything else IMO.

how is accepting less being greedy?

[Otoh]

when I win an auction the first thing I do is pay them, or discuss payment. there were emails requesting the payment so I can send you the addresses to fund which you ignored. You wanted me to implement a deposit system during the auction to ensure all bidders had funds to pay. You were having me verify everyone - I get that... but it was getting to be grating. I won't bother sharing those private messages b/c what does that help?

Needless to say, I won't be shipping these items to you.

I have responded to all your PMs and email nearly instantly, I have ignored nothing!

I asked that total newbies who just made an account to bid on the auction made some escrow payment to you, there were scammers participating so of course it makes sense to limit non legit participants, I also said that it was totally your choice, your call, np.

[Kialara]

I don't believe any scammers were participating until it came time for payment. No scammers made bids as far as I know. The newbies were my customers who came from reddit, etc. and I explained that to you. I verified them also.

[Otoh]

And I felt bad that Anarchist didn't win when I thought he did. I even offered to give him a deal on the 02 bill I planned to keep for myself, but I had this feeling you didn't even have the funds when you were asking me to verify that everyone else did during the auction. Maybe you do, I can't say. It's not important. But if you had paid for 05 at least I'd be comfortable selling him 02.

TBH this is not my problem, I won that item the same as all three according to your OP, stuff got confused but the sales were all legit if ppl payed enough attention to the listing.

"but I had this feeling you didn't even have the funds" on what basis, this is just total BS, if you ever become any sort of successful artist please refrain from dissing your potential clients like this, believe me it doesn't go down so well.

[Otoh]

"Needless to say, I won't be shipping these items to you. "

So basically you are refusing to honor my three wins at this auction & without any legit reason, everyone else can take account of how you operate if so going forward I guess, so unnecessary, a shame.

[Kialara]

"Needless to say, I won't be shipping these items to you. "

So basically you are refusing to honor my three wins at this auction & without any legit reason, everyone else can take account of how you operate if so going forward I guess, so unnecessary, a shame.

It wasn't that you ignored my initial payment request, or that you finally said you'd pay Sunday, or could pay tomorrow, or how I was annoyed by your replies and how you threw in you could buy these 1,000 times over — it was that you shared our private communication in a public forum that had me asking the second-highest bidders to go ahead and send their payment.

[Otoh]

"Needless to say, I won't be shipping these items to you. "

So basically you are refusing to honor my three wins at this auction & without any legit reason, everyone else can take account of how you operate if so going forward I guess, so unnecessary, a shame.

It wasn't that you ignored my initial payment request, or that you finally said you'd pay Sunday, or could pay tomorrow, or how I was annoyed by your replies and how you threw in you could buy these 1,000 times over — it was that you shared our private communication in a public forum that had me asking the second-highest bidders to go ahead and send their payment.

Something that you should have never done as we already had a deal, I saw your behavior as out of order and super pushy, let others see what was going down and draw their own conclusions.

Seems that you've managed to poison this deal though by being openly antagonistic to me, stating that you refuse to ship to me, saying that you think I don't have the funds FFS on zero basis, my sig shows history of giving away over $20,000 just for fun plus much more, I have now zero confidence in you honoring this deal and we would need escrow to continue with it at least.

[TheNewAnon135246]

I have spent thousands of dollars on Kialara's products and there were 0 issues. I've come to know him as a very friendly, thrustworthy and generous guy . There is a lack of respect in the way you communicate. Calling someone a 'hustler' because he is asking for a payment is very odd.

[Otoh]

I have spent thousands of dollars on Kialara's products and there were 0 issues. I've come to know him as a very friendly, thrustworthy and generous guy . There is a lack of respect in the way you communicate. Calling someone a 'hustler' because he is asking for a payment is very odd.

He is demanding payment in 10 to 15 mins or he cancels the deal, on a Friday night when I've already said that I'm afk out to dinner & drinks, really!

[Otoh]

I have spent thousands of dollars on Kialara's products and there were 0 issues. I've come to know him as a very friendly, thrustworthy and generous guy . There is a lack of respect in the way you communicate. Calling someone a 'hustler' because he is asking for a payment is very odd.

He is demanding payment in 10 to 15 mins or he cancels the deal before we have even finalized shipping details with $6,000 of items being arranged or at least trying to do so, on a Friday night when I've already said that I'm afk out to dinner & drinks, really!

[TheNewAnon135246]

I have spent thousands of dollars on Kialara's products and there were 0 issues. I've come to know him as a very friendly, thrustworthy and generous guy . There is a lack of respect in the way you communicate. Calling someone a 'hustler' because he is asking for a payment is very odd.

He is demanding payment in 10 to 15 mins or he cancels the deal, on a Friday night when I've already said that I'm afk out to dinner & drinks, really!

He didn't start out by demanding a payment in 10 minutes. I don't know how much time there was between all emails but he started out by asking:

Ok, can I ask when I will receive payment... It will be easier to explain to Anarchist that his piece is unavailable knowing it has been paid for.

Thanks!

He sent 2 more email without you replying. In your next reply you call him a hustler and tell him to 'chill the fuck out'. What kind of response do you react from someone if you call him that? You could've also replied: "Sorry, but I'm currently away from home and I'm pretty busy. I can send you the payment on Saturday if that is ok with you?". I am 100% sure that Kialara would have had no problems with that. I think you just cut your own fingers by replying like that.

[Kialara]

I started by just asking for a deposit after you ignored my payment request. Or payment for one of the three items. Not while you were out, but before. That's reasonable. My demands didn't come until you told me to chill TFO.

[TheNewAnon135246]

What kind of response do you react from someone if you call him that?

Expect

[Otoh]

I have spent thousands of dollars on Kialara's products and there were 0 issues. I've come to know him as a very friendly, thrustworthy and generous guy . There is a lack of respect in the way you communicate. Calling someone a 'hustler' because he is asking for a payment is very odd.

He is demanding payment in 10 to 15 mins or he cancels the deal, on a Friday night when I've already said that I'm afk out to dinner & drinks, really!

He didn't start out by demanding a payment in 10 minutes. I don't know how much time there was between all emails but he started out by asking:

Ok, can I ask when I will receive payment... It will be easier to explain to Anarchist that his piece is unavailable knowing it has been paid for.

Thanks!

He sent 2 more email without you replying. In your next reply you call him a hustler and tell him to 'chill the fuck out'. What kind of response do you react from someone if you call him that? You could've also replied: "Sorry, but I'm currently away from home and I'm pretty busy. I can send you the payment on Saturday if that is ok with you?". I am 100% sure that Kialara would have had no problems with that. I think you just cut your own fingers by replying like that.

He sent all that after I said that I was afk on a Friday night, bang bang bang ignore that I said that I was afk and starts in with ultimatums, it's now 2 AM and I've had plenty to drink, my post was to avoid needing to go here so late but take it as you will.

I would or will post the time lines later but basically i said I would be afk & then he just escalated it for no reason, this is so FU it's unbelievable.

[AnAnarchist]

Hi all,

This seems to be a bit messy! I'd suggest we all keep our calm heads on and act civilly.

I would say in my defense about the finishing time of the 3rd auction that there was (obviously accidentally) two finishing times stated for it! 5pm CST and 9pm forum time which are an hour apart. I think it is pretty clear from your OP that the original intent was to have the 3 auctions finish an hour apart each so in that respect I think I won the third quite fairly but I can certainly see Otoh's point of view too. Most spectators seemed to think it was over when me and miffman finished bidding so I think that the general view of 1 hour apart finishing times was quite well understood.

I defer to Kialara's judgment on these issues.

I won't comment on the things between Kialara and Otoh.

I have obviously already paid for the 5th serial so hopefully this can all come to an amicable conclusion today.

[Kialara]

AnAnarchist, I will send you the funding address tomorrow for 05. Thank you for the quick payment today. See PM.