Shelᖚy (TPTB_need_war) Psychoanalysis. Smartest Man in the Altcoin Discussions?

[From Above]

Nevertheless, off topic in this section, unless 'Shelby' is some new coin.

Its all about the altcoin discussions and Shelbys involvement.

The coin is not called  Shelᖚy.   It's called  Viᖚes.

~CfA~

[smooth]

Nevertheless, off topic in this section, unless 'Shelby' is some new coin.

Its all about the altcoin discussions and Shelbys involvement.

The coin is not called  Shelᖚy.   It's called  Viᖚes.

Link please, I want to mine it, or run node or something.

[From Above]

Nevertheless, off topic in this section, unless 'Shelby' is some new coin.

Its all about the altcoin discussions and Shelbys involvement.

The coin is not called  Shelᖚy.   It's called  Viᖚes.

Link please, I want to mine it, or run node or something.

U can't as of yet. If u wanna learn more about Viᖚes, here's the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.0. I think u have participated in that thread b4 tho.

~CfA~

[Nxtblg]

How's this for a funny coincidence: Last night, to lull myself to bed, I was noodling around the Internet looking for something to read before I called it a night. After some Googling, I came across this thread in which a fellow by the name of Mark Chu-Carroll - "a PhD computer scientist and professional software engineer" - tears into a metaphysical construct called the CTMU that's been put together by one Christopher Michael Langan. For those of you who don't know the name, Mr. Langan is at least arguably the man with the highest I.Q. in America.

http://goodmath.scientopia.org/2011/02/11/another-crank-comes-to-visit-the-cognitive-theoretic-model-of-the-universe/

Of course, Mr. Langan replies - and it's really interesting how the two go at each other. Dr. Chu-Carroll claims that Mr. Langan is glib, stringing together sentences with technical words that he has only a shallow understanding of. Mr. Langan fires back by accusing Dr. Chu-Carroll of not being mentally adroit enough to understand what Mr. Langan has written. (He didn't use the word "stupid," though; he used the word "incompetent.")

Since I.Q. is on the menu in this thread, the above link is a fascinating read - at least, I found it fascinating. In microcosm, it captures the old "smarts vs. acquired knowledge" divide - and of course, the "is he another Galileo or just a crank?" thingie.

It's not directly relevant to the "subject" of the thread, but it does indicate that a stupendous I.Q. is not all that it's cracked up to be.

[From Above]

How's this for a funny coincidence: Last night, to lull myself to bed, I was noodling around the Internet looking for something to read before I called it a night. After some Googling, I came across this thread in which a fellow by the name of Mark Chu-Carroll - "a PhD computer scientist and professional software engineer" - tears into a metaphysical construct called the CTMU that's been put together by one Christopher Michael Langan. For those of you who don't know the name, Mr. Langan is at least arguably the man with the highest I.Q. in America.

http://goodmath.scientopia.org/2011/02/11/another-crank-comes-to-visit-the-cognitive-theoretic-model-of-the-universe/

Of course, Mr. Langan replies - and it's really interesting how the two go at each other. Dr. Chu-Carroll claims that Mr. Langan is glib, stringing together sentences with technical words that he has only a shallow understanding of. Mr. Langan fires back by accusing Dr. Chu-Carroll of not being mentally adroit enough to understand what Mr. Langan has written. (He didn't use the word "stupid," though; he used the word "incompetent.")

Since I.Q. is on the menu in this thread, the above link is a fascinating read - at least, I found it fascinating. In microcosm, it captures the old "smarts vs. acquired knowledge" divide - and of course, the "is he another Galileo or just a crank?" thingie.

It's not directly relevant to the "subject" of the thread, but it does indicate that a stupendous I.Q. is not all that it's cracked up to be.

Interesting, will read! Thanks for posting this.

~CfA~

[altcoinUK]

TPTB_need_war is indeed a very smart fellow, most likely the smartest in this whole place. He has a very good understanding of software development and technology ... in theory. He would be a great chief software architect, you know that guy who never delivers anything within the software development team, but everyone is amazed by his intellect and deep understanding of software development and technology.

His post on politics and economy affairs are very interesting, and always a great material.

However, his super intellect and his 160 IQ leads him nowhere.

His financial predictions are completely off the charts and useless. I pointed out in the Armstrong thread how wrong he was about the BTC price in several occasions - still he is marketing himself as a great forecaster. Total nonsense.

On software development, terms of implementation he is hopeless. I read not long time ago, he said none of the popular existing programming languages - which could expose the project to existing developer communities - satisfies his requirements, and therefore he is evaluating now the Rust language/framework. WTF? So he delays his progress again, because right now the programing languages are not suited to his use case. WTF again? It seems he doesn't have the ability to deliver anything, except showcasing his super intellect in this forum.

Terms of his scam busting mission, as I said several times, make no mistake, he is not worried about the scams - in fact he said scams are "part of the game" -, he is just building up his honest and ethical profile, because he is preparing for a P&D to satisfy his "angel investors". Still, he is right about the scams, but he is not so innocent scam busting crusader as he present himself.

On the personal level, - apart from his incoming P&D venture - he is a very nice guy, the BCT forum wouldn't be the same without him.

[smooth]

On software development, terms of implementation he is hopeless. I read not long time ago, he said none of the popular existing programming languages - which could expose the project to existing developer communities - satisfies his requirements, and therefore he is evaluating now the Rust language/framework. WTF? So he delays his progress again, because right now the programing languages are not suited to his use case. WTF again? It seems he doesn't have the ability to deliver anything, except showcasing his super intellect in this forum.

I agree with you on this. You go to war with the army you have, while working to make it better. Waiting for the perfect language guarantees waiting forever.

Terms of his scam busting mission, as I said several times, make no mistake, he is not worried about the scams - in fact he said scams are "part of the game" -, he is just building up his honest and ethical profile, because he is preparing for a P&D to satisfy his "angel investors". Still, he is right about the scams, but he is not so innocent scam busting crusader as he present himself.

On the personal level, - apart from his incoming P&D venture - he is a very nice guy, the BCT forum wouldn't be the same without him.

This seems somewhat unfair. You can't say what he will or won't do in the future and it isn't fair to criticize someone for what he hasn't done yet. AFAIK, he hasn't launched any coins or released any software (which as you say above, is part of the problem), P&D or otherwise. Please wait until he does something wrong before condemning him for it.

[altcoinUK]

This seems somewhat unfair. You can't say what he will or won't do in the future and it isn't fair to criticize someone for what he hasn't done yet. AFAIK, he hasn't launched any coins or released any software (which as you say above, is part of the problem), P&D or otherwise. Please wait until he does something wrong before condemning him for it.

Yeah, you are right, it was quite unfair. We should wait and see how he is progressing.

[r0ach]

I've had many people tell me that what I'm doing with eMunie isn't possible, instead of spending hours per day arguing with them on a forum trying to convince them, I've gone away and done it.  I'm nearly there and the proof will be in the pudding.

The problem with Emunie, as I talked about in the IOTA thread, is that any system that doesn't have permanent coin turnover via mining, removes mining completely, or puts some type of abstraction layer between mining and block reward (as in the case of IOTA), is a permissioned ledger.  People got too caught up in trying to improve on consensus mechanisms and forgot what actually constitutes a decentralized currency in the first place.

When Maxwell said he "proved mathematically that Bitcoin couldn't exist" and then it did exist, it was because he didn't take open entropy systems into account.  He already knew stuff like NXT or Emunie could exist, but nobody actually considered them to be decentralized.  They're distributed but not decentralized.  Basically stocks that come from a central authority and then the shareholders attempt to form a nash equilibrium to...siphon fees from other shareholders in a zero sum game because there is no nash equilibrium to be had by outsiders adopting a closed entropy system in the first place...

Take for example the real world use case of a nash equilbrium in finance.  There's many rival nations on earth and they're all competing in currency wars, manipulating, devaluing, etc.  They would all be better off with an undisputed unit of account that the other can't tamper with for trade.  In order to adopt said unit, it would have to be a permissionless system that each nation has access to where one of the group isn't suspected to have an enormous advantage over the others, otherwise they would all just say no.

This is why gold was utilized at all.  Yea, some territories had more than others, but nobody actually knew what was under the ground at the time.  Everyone just agreed it was scarce, valuable, and nobody really had a monopoly on it.  There are really no circumstances where people on an individual level or nation-state level can come together to form any kind of nash equilibrium in a closed entropy system.  The market is cornered by design, and for value to increase, others need to willingly submit to the equivalent of an extortion scheme.  The only time systems like that have value at all is when governments use coercion to force them onto people.

[Fuserleer]

I've had many people tell me that what I'm doing with eMunie isn't possible, instead of spending hours per day arguing with them on a forum trying to convince them, I've gone away and done it.  I'm nearly there and the proof will be in the pudding.

The problem with Emunie, as I talked about in the IOTA thread, is that any system that doesn't have permanent coin turnover via mining, removes mining completely, or puts some type of abstraction layer between mining and block reward (as in the case of IOTA), is a permissioned ledger.  People got too caught up in trying to improve on consensus mechanisms and forgot what actually constitutes a decentralized currency in the first place.

When Maxwell said he "proved mathematically that Bitcoin couldn't exist" and then it did exist, it was because he didn't take open entropy systems into account.  He already knew stuff like NXT or Emunie could exist, but nobody actually considered them to be decentralized.  They're distributed but not decentralized.  Basically stocks that come from a central authority and then the shareholders attempt to form a nash equilibrium to...siphon fees from other shareholders in a zero sum game because there is no nash equilibrium to be had by outsiders adopting a closed entropy system in the first place...

Take for example the real world use case of a nash equilbrium in finance.  There's many rival nations on earth and they're all competing in currency wars, manipulating, devaluing, etc.  They would all be better off with an undisputed unit of account that the other can't tamper with for trade.  In order to adopt said unit, it would have to be a permissionless system that each nation has access to where one of the group isn't suspected to have an enormous advantage over the others, otherwise they would all just say no.

This is why gold was utilized at all.  Yea, some territories had more than others, but nobody actually knew what was under the ground at the time.  Everyone just agreed it was scarce, valuable, and nobody really had a monopoly on it.  There are really no circumstances where people on an individual level or nation-state level can come together to form any kind of nash equilibrium in a closed entropy system.  The market is cornered by design, and for value to increase, others need to willingly submit to the equivalent of an extortion scheme.  The only time systems like that have value at all is when governments use coercion to force them onto people.

eMunie is not permissioned at all, it is decentralized and is resistant to centralization over time.

I'm not going to follow in TPTB's footsteps here, have another discussion on it 1-1, and try and convince you.  You've clearly made your mind up long ago on what you think is possible and not, and I really haven't got the desire to try and change it here and now.

Bottom line if you don't think eMunie is what it is, well that is your opinion.  But over the coming months I'm pretty sure that will change along with a lot of others opinions as information is presented en-mass.  Just because you can't see the solution, doesn't mean others can't either.  In fact that would be rather arrogant.

[r0ach]

I've had many people tell me that what I'm doing with eMunie isn't possible, instead of spending hours per day arguing with them on a forum trying to convince them, I've gone away and done it.  I'm nearly there and the proof will be in the pudding.

The problem with Emunie, as I talked about in the IOTA thread, is that any system that doesn't have permanent coin turnover via mining, removes mining completely, or puts some type of abstraction layer between mining and block reward (as in the case of IOTA), is a permissioned ledger.  People got too caught up in trying to improve on consensus mechanisms and forgot what actually constitutes a decentralized currency in the first place.

When Maxwell said he "proved mathematically that Bitcoin couldn't exist" and then it did exist, it was because he didn't take open entropy systems into account.  He already knew stuff like NXT or Emunie could exist, but nobody actually considered them to be decentralized.  They're distributed but not decentralized.  Basically stocks that come from a central authority and then the shareholders attempt to form a nash equilibrium to...siphon fees from other shareholders in a zero sum game because there is no nash equilibrium to be had by outsiders adopting a closed entropy system in the first place...

Take for example the real world use case of a nash equilbrium in finance.  There's many rival nations on earth and they're all competing in currency wars, manipulating, devaluing, etc.  They would all be better off with an undisputed unit of account that the other can't tamper with for trade.  In order to adopt said unit, it would have to be a permissionless system that each nation has access to where one of the group isn't suspected to have an enormous advantage over the others, otherwise they would all just say no.

This is why gold was utilized at all.  Yea, some territories had more than others, but nobody actually knew what was under the ground at the time.  Everyone just agreed it was scarce, valuable, and nobody really had a monopoly on it.  There are really no circumstances where people on an individual level or nation-state level can come together to form any kind of nash equilibrium in a closed entropy system.  The market is cornered by design, and for value to increase, others need to willingly submit to the equivalent of an extortion scheme.  The only time systems like that have value at all is when governments use coercion to force them onto people.

eMunie is not permissioned at all, it is decentralized and is resistant to centralization over time.

I'm not going to follow in TPTB's footsteps here, have another discussion on it 1-1, and try and convince you.  You've clearly made your mind up long ago on what you think is possible and not, and I really haven't got the desire to try and change it here and now.

Bottom line if you don't think eMunie is what it is, well that is your opinion.  But over the coming months I'm pretty sure that will change along with a lot of others opinions as information is presented en-mass.  Just because you can't see the solution, doesn't mean others can't either.  In fact that would be rather arrogant.

If i can't acquire native tokens except by willingly submitting to a centrally issued extortion scheme, then it's a permissioned ledger.  This is nothing personal against Emunie, it's just a blanket statement for all coins.  The economic system of emunie is kind of strange and sort of nullifies a bit of the extortion part, but all closed entropy systems are still permissioned ledgers.

[kiklo]

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae213.cfm

Question
Does the entropy of a closed system always increase, or could it possibly decrease?
Asked by: Johannes Pollanen

Answer
The standard answer to your question from the laws of thermodynamics is that entropy (disorder) will increase, but there are at least two ways I believe entropy can decrease in a closed system.

First, you used the word 'possibly'. The laws of probability allow a closed system's entropy to decrease, but with such a low likelihood that the odds would make it very unlikely. Making the system small enough, however, by decreasing the number of its possible states can help improve the odds.

Take, for example, a movie of a billiards game 'break' shot. The ordered arrangement of balls becomes disordered, but running the film in reverse would show each individual collision obeying the usual physical laws. The time reversal would be apparent, however, when all the balls ended up in an ordered collection. Although that result could conceivably occur by chance, it is very unlikely. Reducing the example to just two balls would make the odds of an orderly arrangement occurring more likely.

For a second example of decreasing entropy, start with a closed system large enough to allow significant gravitational forces among its components. Gravity provides a 'negative energy' that can take a completely disordered system and organize it into a radically symmetric arrangement around a common center of gravity.
Answered by: Paul Walorski, B.A. Physics, Part-time Physics Instructor

 

[r0ach]

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae213.cfm

Question
Does the entropy of a closed system always increase, or could it possibly decrease?
Asked by: Johannes Pollanen

Answer
The standard answer to your question from the laws of thermodynamics is that entropy (disorder) will increase, but there are at least two ways I believe entropy can decrease in a closed system.

First, you used the word 'possibly'. The laws of probability allow a closed system's entropy to decrease, but with such a low likelihood that the odds would make it very unlikely. Making the system small enough, however, by decreasing the number of its possible states can help improve the odds.

Take, for example, a movie of a billiards game 'break' shot. The ordered arrangement of balls becomes disordered, but running the film in reverse would show each individual collision obeying the usual physical laws. The time reversal would be apparent, however, when all the balls ended up in an ordered collection. Although that result could conceivably occur by chance, it is very unlikely. Reducing the example to just two balls would make the odds of an orderly arrangement occurring more likely.

For a second example of decreasing entropy, start with a closed system large enough to allow significant gravitational forces among its components. Gravity provides a 'negative energy' that can take a completely disordered system and organize it into a radically symmetric arrangement around a common center of gravity.
Answered by: Paul Walorski, B.A. Physics, Part-time Physics Instructor

 

Are you attempting to debunk yourself by posting that?  There is absolutely nothing in there to help your recursive, closed entropy system plight.

[kiklo]

Are you attempting to debunk yourself by posting that?  There is absolutely nothing in there to help your recursive, closed entropy system plight.

No ,  
Just showing you take every chance available to try and insult what you can't comprehend.
Mission Accomplished.  

 

FYI:
By the way even the Multiverse is technically a Closed System, 
very few people decide that makes life not worth living.

[DecentralizeEconomics]

Where's the option stating that "Shelby has lost his marbles due to his poor life choices"?

Warning OP, you're two seconds away from being on the FBI's most wanted list.

[Fuserleer]

I've had many people tell me that what I'm doing with eMunie isn't possible, instead of spending hours per day arguing with them on a forum trying to convince them, I've gone away and done it.  I'm nearly there and the proof will be in the pudding.

The problem with Emunie, as I talked about in the IOTA thread, is that any system that doesn't have permanent coin turnover via mining, removes mining completely, or puts some type of abstraction layer between mining and block reward (as in the case of IOTA), is a permissioned ledger.  People got too caught up in trying to improve on consensus mechanisms and forgot what actually constitutes a decentralized currency in the first place.

When Maxwell said he "proved mathematically that Bitcoin couldn't exist" and then it did exist, it was because he didn't take open entropy systems into account.  He already knew stuff like NXT or Emunie could exist, but nobody actually considered them to be decentralized.  They're distributed but not decentralized.  Basically stocks that come from a central authority and then the shareholders attempt to form a nash equilibrium to...siphon fees from other shareholders in a zero sum game because there is no nash equilibrium to be had by outsiders adopting a closed entropy system in the first place...

Take for example the real world use case of a nash equilbrium in finance.  There's many rival nations on earth and they're all competing in currency wars, manipulating, devaluing, etc.  They would all be better off with an undisputed unit of account that the other can't tamper with for trade.  In order to adopt said unit, it would have to be a permissionless system that each nation has access to where one of the group isn't suspected to have an enormous advantage over the others, otherwise they would all just say no.

This is why gold was utilized at all.  Yea, some territories had more than others, but nobody actually knew what was under the ground at the time.  Everyone just agreed it was scarce, valuable, and nobody really had a monopoly on it.  There are really no circumstances where people on an individual level or nation-state level can come together to form any kind of nash equilibrium in a closed entropy system.  The market is cornered by design, and for value to increase, others need to willingly submit to the equivalent of an extortion scheme.  The only time systems like that have value at all is when governments use coercion to force them onto people.

eMunie is not permissioned at all, it is decentralized and is resistant to centralization over time.

I'm not going to follow in TPTB's footsteps here, have another discussion on it 1-1, and try and convince you.  You've clearly made your mind up long ago on what you think is possible and not, and I really haven't got the desire to try and change it here and now.

Bottom line if you don't think eMunie is what it is, well that is your opinion.  But over the coming months I'm pretty sure that will change along with a lot of others opinions as information is presented en-mass.  Just because you can't see the solution, doesn't mean others can't either.  In fact that would be rather arrogant.

If i can't acquire native tokens except by willingly submitting to a centrally issued extortion scheme, then it's a permissioned ledger. 

Say hello to Bitcoin mining pools...

[smooth]

I've had many people tell me that what I'm doing with eMunie isn't possible, instead of spending hours per day arguing with them on a forum trying to convince them, I've gone away and done it.  I'm nearly there and the proof will be in the pudding.

The problem with Emunie, as I talked about in the IOTA thread, is that any system that doesn't have permanent coin turnover via mining, removes mining completely, or puts some type of abstraction layer between mining and block reward (as in the case of IOTA), is a permissioned ledger.  People got too caught up in trying to improve on consensus mechanisms and forgot what actually constitutes a decentralized currency in the first place.

When Maxwell said he "proved mathematically that Bitcoin couldn't exist" and then it did exist, it was because he didn't take open entropy systems into account.  He already knew stuff like NXT or Emunie could exist, but nobody actually considered them to be decentralized.  They're distributed but not decentralized.  Basically stocks that come from a central authority and then the shareholders attempt to form a nash equilibrium to...siphon fees from other shareholders in a zero sum game because there is no nash equilibrium to be had by outsiders adopting a closed entropy system in the first place...

Take for example the real world use case of a nash equilbrium in finance.  There's many rival nations on earth and they're all competing in currency wars, manipulating, devaluing, etc.  They would all be better off with an undisputed unit of account that the other can't tamper with for trade.  In order to adopt said unit, it would have to be a permissionless system that each nation has access to where one of the group isn't suspected to have an enormous advantage over the others, otherwise they would all just say no.

This is why gold was utilized at all.  Yea, some territories had more than others, but nobody actually knew what was under the ground at the time.  Everyone just agreed it was scarce, valuable, and nobody really had a monopoly on it.  There are really no circumstances where people on an individual level or nation-state level can come together to form any kind of nash equilibrium in a closed entropy system.  The market is cornered by design, and for value to increase, others need to willingly submit to the equivalent of an extortion scheme.  The only time systems like that have value at all is when governments use coercion to force them onto people.

eMunie is not permissioned at all, it is decentralized and is resistant to centralization over time.

I'm not going to follow in TPTB's footsteps here, have another discussion on it 1-1, and try and convince you.  You've clearly made your mind up long ago on what you think is possible and not, and I really haven't got the desire to try and change it here and now.

Bottom line if you don't think eMunie is what it is, well that is your opinion.  But over the coming months I'm pretty sure that will change along with a lot of others opinions as information is presented en-mass.  Just because you can't see the solution, doesn't mean others can't either.  In fact that would be rather arrogant.

If i can't acquire native tokens except by willingly submitting to a centrally issued extortion scheme, then it's a permissioned ledger. 

Say hello to Bitcoin mining pools...

You can use p2pool and expect a block in 10 days or so. Not ideal, but the option is there.

[TPTB_need_war]

Let's psychoanalyze those want to troll me with a thread like this. Actually I have no censorship motivated objection about making a thread about me (I wish so much, it was possible to do something great without attaining any personal fame), it just feels really stupid because I (the idealist in me) think the technology is more important than the person, which is one of the main reasons I hate vaporware ICOs.

This thread serves mainly to deflect attention away from Dash's instamine scam.

+1 for conscious reason.

The subconscious reason this thread exists is the psychological phenomenon that it is better to destroy everyone, than to fail alone.

"I dropped my ice cream in the mud, so now I am throwing mud on your ice cream so we are the same, because God hates us equally".

This is what socialism built. Equality is prosperity, because fairness is the uniformity of nature's Gaussian distribution. Equality is a human right! Didn't you know that!

They would rather waste the time of important coders whose time would be better spent coding a solution for humanity, so as to satisfy their inability to accept their mistakes and jealousy.

[traumschiff]

Let's psychoanalyze those want to troll me with a thread like this. Actually I have no censorship motivated objection about making a thread about me (I wish so much, it was possible to do something great without attaining any personal fame), it just feels really stupid because I (the idealist in me) think the technology is more important than the person, which is one of the main reasons I hate vaporware ICOs.

This thread serves mainly to deflect attention away from Dash's instamine scam.

+1 for conscious reason.

The subconscious reason this thread exists is the psychological phenomenon that it is better to destroy everyone, than to fail alone.

"I dropped my ice cream in the mud, so now I am throwing mud on your ice cream so we are the same, because God hates us equally".

This is what socialism built. Equality is prosperity, because fairness is the uniformity of nature's Gaussian distribution. Equality is a human right! Didn't you know that!

They would rather waste the time of important coders whose time would be better spent coding a solution for humanity, so as to satisfy their inability to accept their mistakes and jealousy.

You don't seem to hate vaporware in general tho, because you like to advertise your own after every self-spam campaign in every thread you visit since months if not years.

Would like to see your ultimate and perfect project.

[altcoinUK]

You don't seem to hate vaporware in general tho, because you like to advertise your own after every self-spam campaign in every thread you visit since months if not years.

Agree, and based on this I made my conclusion above that he is actually promoting his upcoming P&D, but after I had to agree with smooth that it is quite unfair to make such accusation. Still, the fact is, as you said that he has been promoting his vaporware. TPTB_need_war is a good man when he is in a right mindset and he contributed a lot to this forum already. Lets hope he is promoting his vaporware for ethical and honest reasons.