Shelᖚy (TPTB_need_war) Psychoanalysis. Smartest Man in the Altcoin Discussions?

[TPTB_need_war]

maybe Vitalik will end up being a complete and utter failure, but at least he can be in the small group of people to create billion dollar failures, its far better doing nothing and talking about how everyone else is a crook

Ah so after all your posts are irrational because you have Vitalik's brown excrement all over your nose.

Dude there wasn't a $billion of anything. Do you not even understand that a market cap doesn't represent the invested amount.

End of conversation. I don't have time to waste when you don't even understand basic ground facts.

[TPTB_need_war]

well fuck i wrote a long winded butle and hit back so now its all erased. i take back what i say about you being an idiot, but you are still a spectator, whether its your health to blame or something else.

what im trying to say is that, and writing 7500+ posts and spending all day long here is unhealthy. go outside and do something, learn to play music, or go to the park and interact with people in meatspace. you are priding yourself in what can only be considered unhealthy behavior, im am also guilty of ODing on shiny backlights 4am night after night, from time to time, so i recognize your behavior, you seriously need to get out of the house.

Your posts are almost rational, except your assumption that my posts don't include incredibly valuable technical work that applies to my coding, is where you lose the plot.

I use the forum as a place to share my technical work ongoing. As well I do my economic theory development, which is also essential to my coding work.

You don't seem comprehend the value of my forum posts. Thus to you, it appears to be a speculator. To me, I am designing the crypto currency future technology in my posts. Do you need an example?

sure i could use an example, maybe it got lost in your other 7500 posts

How many do you want?

[TPTB_need_war]

your other 7500 posts

My TPTB_need_war and AnonyMint accounts have more than 12,000 posts combined.

[entertheabyss]

your other 7500 posts

My TPTB_need_war and AnonyMint accounts have more than 12,000 posts combined.

jesus christ, do you listen to yourself? 12,000 posts is a bug not a feature

[TPTB_need_war]

well fuck i wrote a long winded butle and hit back so now its all erased. i take back what i say about you being an idiot, but you are still a spectator, whether its your health to blame or something else.

what im trying to say is that, and writing 7500+ posts and spending all day long here is unhealthy. go outside and do something, learn to play music, or go to the park and interact with people in meatspace. you are priding yourself in what can only be considered unhealthy behavior, im am also guilty of ODing on shiny backlights 4am night after night, from time to time, so i recognize your behavior, you seriously need to get out of the house.

Your posts are almost rational, except your assumption that my posts don't include incredibly valuable technical work that applies to my coding, is where you lose the plot.

I use the forum as a place to share my technical work ongoing. As well I do my economic theory development, which is also essential to my coding work.

You don't seem comprehend the value of my forum posts. Thus to you, it appears to be a speculator. To me, I am designing the crypto currency future technology in my posts. Do you need an example?

sure i could use an example, maybe it got lost in your other 7500 posts

How many do you want?

Hopefully you know that TierNolan is respected by the Bitcoin core devs and you can review the following thread where I explained to him and jl777 the only correct way to do decentralized exchange:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1364951.msg14078549#msg14078549

I solved one of the most important technical design issue that exists in crypto currency.

Just let me know how many examples you need, but I think that one is already blockbluster enough to demand your apology.

Now can I stop posting here and get back to my work?

[entertheabyss]

There are some egregious distinctions.

• Attacker identifies his own UXTO which the community can then decide to blacklist with a checkpointed fork. Thus taking away the attackers income and causing the attack to be a loss.
• Attacker will have a very difficult time purchasing things at sufficient scale that doesn't identify him in the real world. Whereas stealing balances will be impossible to prove for cut & choose
• The victims can prove they were double-spent by long-range chain reorganization. This isn't an absolute proof of an attack, but community evidence gathering at any sufficient scale of attack should come to a consensus about the existence of an attack.
• There is no way for any user to opt-out of this attack. Whereas, users can decide to not use a DE which exhibits being a risk, and/or to not use a block chain which enables such scripting. Thus in contrast, the community's diligence against this attack in existential. Meaning that the DE (and the general form of scripting that enables it) is likely to be shunned by users/investors once (in theory) the attacks occur. Whereas, a 51% attack is likely to be dealt with by community action by increasing hashrate and/or checkpointing.

(Again, I don't see how this attack is specific to cut and choose.)

The problem is fundamental to block chain crypto-currencies.  They inherently use a single validation (POW) to cover lots of transactions.  The security assumption is that no one attacker can controls enough of the transactions to make roll back worth it.

I will repeat again that the reason is that cut & choose (in theory) alters the economics of a 51% attack and thus (in theory) alters the security of the entire block chain where cut & choose is deployed (or other similar script ... which is why I have posited that multi-sig and for sure Turing-complete scripting is a generalized block chain security hole and scripts in zero knowledge may be the only way to close to hole).

Agreed that the security of block chains is predicated on there no being one (or coordinated) attacker with sufficient resources to perform a sufficiently long-range, lie-in-wait block reorganization. And this is predicated on the cost of the attack AND the potential gain from the attack. Cut & choose alters the economics of the plausibility of the gain from an attack. Mining concentration into pools (which may even be Sybil attacked so we don't know which pools are controlled by the same entity or which cooperate nefariously) coupled with hashrate rental capacities means that an attack is plausible except that these attackers don't want to be identified on a well established block chain (e.g. Bitcoin), because they don't want the community to fight them or otherwise destroy the viability of the block chain (e.g. the Chinese mining cartel allegedly controls 65% of Bitcoin's hashrate). With cut & choose, the 51% attacker can resign the DE transactions on the altcoin to pay to himself, but there is no way to prove which transactions were the attacker and which were the victim. Propagation is not proof, because nodes can lie about propagation and even be a Sybil attacked on the veracity of reported propagation. The only unequivocal proof is the longest chain rule (LCR).

Thus although we can't prove which of the double-spends are the victim, the victims can provably indicate that they took an order for a good or service from an attacker whom they can identify. Because if the attacker can't receive the good or service, then the attacker can't gain any income from the 51% attack. But with cut & choose, the attacker can't be identified.

Please understand the salient distinction. One general problem that I've observed numerous times in the block chain arena, is the very smart coders and mathematicians/cryptographers seem to have blind spots on economics (and even on the importance of degrees-of-freedom in design).



P.S. note I added a 4th bulleted point as quoted above.

the only thing you did with this post was argue that cut and choose is vulnerable for economic reasons, you didnt solve a single thing or even offer solutions

and from page one of that thread,

Sigh.  

If anyone can think of a solution at the conceptual level (never mind what block chains currently offer), I would love to read it.

So far decentralized exchange looks to be jammable in every design I've contemplated.

further strengthening my argument, that your role is that of a spectator

[kiklo]

Hopefully you know that TierNolan is respected by the Bitcoin core devs and you can review the following thread where I explained to him and jl777 the only correct way to do decentralized exchange:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1364951.msg14078549#msg14078549

I solved one of the most important technical design issue that exists in crypto currency.

Hmm,
I agree with you PoW coins also face the possibility of a history rewrite.
And at this time only a checkpoint from either a rolling type or server type could prevent it from being an issue.

Were you pointing the checkpoint solution out to them in the posts or have you found a different way, if so please elaborate.

Thanks.
 

EDIT:
My Bad,  Thought it was a tech fix , you were suggesting.  

[traumschiff]

maybe Vitalik will end up being a complete and utter failure, but at least he can be in the small group of people to create billion dollar failures, its far better doing nothing and talking about how everyone else is a crook

Fully agree with this and I don't own a single ETH. I would rather give my money to Vitalik who knows business than TPTB who spends weeks spamming on this forum. Also funny how he always pulls the "in retrospect you will regret this", but how much longer should we wait? He's telling this since year or 2.

12k+ posts and his github is literally empty since years.

[Moneroman88]

@Shelby

Some people on Bitcointalk think cyberbullying is a joke.    How wrong they are.

I've been a victim before and some of these people don't understand that they are breaking the law by writing false statements attempting to destroy people's reputations with mere lies and often times utter hatred.

[TPTB_need_war]

Were you pointing the checkpoint solution out to them in the posts or have you found a different way, if so please elaborate.

Checkpointing wasn't my solution. My solution was an economic one. Try to re-read my posts there.

[Moneroman88]

[TPTB who spends weeks spamming on this forum.

What have you contributed to this forum or accomplished in the crypto scene that makes you throw the stones?

[traumschiff]

[TPTB who spends weeks spamming on this forum.

What have you contributed to this forum or accomplished in the crypto scene that makes you throw the stones?

I'm a forum user and a project investor, never stated anything else. Problem here is when you promise something that you never deliver and talk down people according to that.

To say something positive aswell, if he would turn his promises into actions, I would surely invest my money into the project.

[TPTB_need_war]

[TPTB who spends weeks spamming on this forum.

What have you contributed to this forum or accomplished in the crypto scene that makes you throw the stones?

I'm a forum user and a project investor, never stated anything else. Problem here is when you promise something that you never deliver and talk down people according to that.

I have not promised to complete any project. My project's thread title says "vaporware" and I have made it very well known I am battling an illness and my progress would be highly dependent on the outcome of that.

[traumschiff]

[TPTB who spends weeks spamming on this forum.

What have you contributed to this forum or accomplished in the crypto scene that makes you throw the stones?

I'm a forum user and a project investor, never stated anything else. Problem here is when you promise something that you never deliver and talk down people according to that.

I have not promised to complete any project. My project's thread title says "vaporware" and I have made it very well known I am battling an illness and my progress would be highly dependent on the outcome of that.

Sorry that I take the "I will show you/My project will be superior/I solved anonimity/My project will make everything else look like shit/etc." claims seriously (that you are leaving in almost every projects thread you visit). My bad.

[Moneroman88]

Sorry that I take the "I will show you/My project will be superior/I solved anonimity/My project will make everything else look like shit/etc." claims seriously. My bad.

I am of the impression that you don't understand the experimental character of the altcoin discussions. Most notably threads that are tagged with 'vapor' as an act for caution's sake should have helped you understand that there have not been any claims of having any project completed.  Just as a footnote, not a single cent has ever been raised and Shelby's entire participation on Bitcointalk is free for us to read, which I find astonishing. This is bang-up information combined with great thoughts and remarks on the forefront of cryptographic innovation.

[altcoinUK]

so it seems to me that you are unable to contribute in a meaningful way, ie code

It is unfair to say TPTB_need_war can't code or unable to code. Is he unproductive? Most likely yes, - for many reasons - he is unproductive, but he understand software development. Unlike the children of this forum who rolled out the several hundreds absolutely meaningless BTC and LTC shitcoin clones, TPTB_need_war understands what are the challenges is software design.

I have never talked to him in private except a few PMs here and I talked to him a lot in public, but from those conversation as well as from his post about software development it is clear that he is a very experienced software engineer. Anybody who ever coded any software, worked in software projects and were sitting in meeting discussing software design and implementation understands that. You can't pick up such knowledge what from the air and by releasing shits by forking BTC and modifying a few variables in the code base. To have the knowledge he has, an individual have to had work hard on serious software in the past.

I have disagreement with him from time to time, but saying that he can't code is just inaccurate.

 

[altcoinUK]

I will just tell you that I have decided I don't want to live with this illness. If it can't be cured, I don't want to live long like this. That is how crap it is. Now I have possibly a cure with the Oregano oil. We'll have to see. I think I also need a lifestyle change which is to complete stop the computer and be outside all day every day. But how can I do that and also code. So this is dilemma I am currently sorting through what my action plan will be. I'd rather not detail my thinking on this. More wasting time. I am in midst of many aspects right now.

That sounds a bit depressing. Yes it seems you need a lifestyle change. The issue is that usually you go off in public that you need a radical change and then you go back to your normal routine to exists in the hopeless Philippines and upset yourself in this forum.

IMHO you made a mistake to not working with the Gadgetcoin developers. Are they as knowledgeable and articulated as you are? No, they aren't, but they are hard working developers. They have completed their project which will be bigger than Bitcoin is. Even if you are not keen on IoT, the IoT aspect of their solution took them to many top 100 companies. That gives them credibility to make other features (token, social media, communication features) popular. The social media aspect of their project is inline with your social media ambition. You need to compromise on toolset, people, environment, etc. to get somewhere. If you are chasing the perfect environment you will get nowhere. You still have 15 years until retirement, use that time wisely!

[TPTB_need_war]

That seems to be reasonably accurate.

There are of course many people on this earth with a higher IQ than myself. They could think faster than me on some mind twisting puzzle especially one that is timed. My long-term memory is not as vast as someone like Eric S. Raymond.

On conceptual analysis and especially in the areas which I am currently interested and very experienced, there will be few here on this forum who can out think me.

Math is a vast field and no one can master all of it anyone (well maybe a 1 in a million 200 IQ can). I have less training/study in higher maths than many people. I can learn math and I did for example ace Calculus at college at night, while I was in high school. But coming age 51, in a rush to apply myself to a software startup, battling an illness, being nearly bankrupt, etc..... then there isn't any available time (nor scarce energy to give) for me to pursue math study at this juncture in my life.

Also note that before 8th grade, I have been moved around to various inner city public schools, sometimes two schools in one year, such that my education was stunted until 8th grade. In 8th grade, my father enrolled me in a private school Ecole Classique and I blasted off taking Algebra 1, Latin, etc.. But it was late. If I had received the resources in elementary and middle school, then I would have likely been a math whiz taking college courses at a very early age. I demonstrated this sort of early capability as there are photos of me in diapers and I am already constructing things. And at age 5, I spontaneously helped my father design the wooden platform be for his VW bus (which is subsequently used to leave us and go to Belize with his gf which became his 2nd of 3 wives).

The summer between 7th and 8th grade, I was required to read roughly a dozen books, the classics. That is when it became apparent that I am fast voracious reader with very high reading comprehension.

Also note I am since 1999 blinded in one of my eyes, thus another handicap I have now in terms of visual work such as reading.

As for rubbing people the wrong way, I've always been sort of an impatient person because I have more things I want to do than I can do. I can be patient in spurts or especially in a personal setting that is a priority for me. But there is no way I can relate to the 1000s of people on this forum with perfect grace and couth at all times, especially not in such an acrimonious environment as the altcoin arena where everyone is batting for their vested investments.

[TPTB_need_war]

One thing that might help, is to understand how other terms are used instead of the perhaps more familiar "hashtag".  It is just a content identifier.  You will find this represented by other terms, like "channels", "syntactic entities", or terms specific to pi-calculus like "persisted queues", or even the word "network", as this does not apply to "gods-eye" perspectives here - so these sub-groups are most typically defined by a topic, or keyword.

So in short, Greg is using a private language for technobabble.

That is sure helpful for peer review.  

Well, if you don't understand something, maybe I can help?  You are the only one saying it's "technobabble" - which just means you don't recognize it.  I understand it just fine.  Content management, including "hastags", is sophisticated, and thorough in Synereo.  Your "hashtags" are not left out, even though that concept does not appear in Twitter-language form.

And yes, you will find the same expressions in peer-reviewed papers, textbooks, etc.

TPTB_need_war will never admit that he really isn't that smart.

You think all "ICOs" are manipulation.

I am confident they are ILLEGAL if publicly marketed to USA investors.

And no those weren't just my opinions. You will always try to distort what I wrote. How about you just state what you think about Synereo and stop trying to tell readers what I said. They can read my posts to see what I wrote.

Greg @ Synereo is avoiding explaining all the specification and technology to us in terms we can understand. No excuses you can make for that which are valid. He is selling AMPs and not giving us information we can verify. That is an illegal prospectus. If Synereo didn't sell AMPs to the public, Greg et al would have no obligation to explain the technology in detail to us in terms we can understand and verify.

Edit: it is rather useless if I go expend my scarce time to become an expert in process calculi so that I could find game theory flaws in Synereo's process calculi approach to their hyped Attention Model feature. Because it would still be an asymmetric information market for the investors, as then they would be required to trust either my conclusions or Greg's (Synereo's). The only solution is for Greg to do proper disclosure by explaining the technology in terms that all AMP investors can understand. They have the time to produce a very exquisite website and consume hours every week on video Hangouts that do hyped handwaving on technical details, then they should also have enough time to explain the technology in sufficient detail that we can analyze without requiring us to become one of the few process calculi researchers on earth.

[TPTB_need_war]

Nice topic you got here TPTB.

Any thoughts on Lisk?

I have made a decision not to investigate any new coin projects, because then I would feel compelled to release my findings, which would mire me in more time wasting defenses against trolling and ad hominem attacks.

But you can probably safely assume it is another shitcoin in the mold of Ethereum. But I really don't want to enter more of these battles. I am trying to get my own software development and startup work moving at a faster pace.