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[Timelord2067]

Hi, I thought I'd try Bithra out,

On the Block Chain I have BTC 0.00164169 https://blockchain.info/address/1DeiTBRzQYhfwyTSXH5RP82u3xCcC7uAWf

However, on Bithra it says I have no funds: https://www.bithra.com/escrows/1DeiTBRzQYhfwyTSXH5RP82u3xCcC7uAWf

When does the page update?  (Refreshing the page doesn't update the total).

Thanks.

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Ive dealt with some pretty mean traders in the past. They agree to use escrow, I provide them with the service, but they don't release the payment. It just sits in the escrow's wallet. How do you guys combat this?

Also, what if the recipient does not fulfill the job or you want to decrease his pay due to bad quality?

[Timelord2067]

Ive dealt with some pretty mean traders in the past. They agree to use escrow, I provide them with the service, but they don't release the payment. It just sits in the escrow's wallet. How do you guys combat this?

Also, what if the recipient does not fulfil the job or you want to decrease his pay due to bad quality?

In theory using Bithra the person who puts the coins into Escrow has already lost them, so it's in their best interest to make the deal happen.  I can see somewhere down the track some serious coin will get "donated" to the Bithra creator, as I read something about he gets the cons after one year (still not sure how he manages that if he doesn't have the "release secret"

[RHavar]

Hi, I thought I'd try Bithra out,

On the Block Chain I have BTC 0.00164169 https://blockchain.info/address/1DeiTBRzQYhfwyTSXH5RP82u3xCcC7uAWf

However, on Bithra it says I have no funds: https://www.bithra.com/escrows/1DeiTBRzQYhfwyTSXH5RP82u3xCcC7uAWf

When does the page update?  (Refreshing the page doesn't update the total).

Thanks.

Thanks for trying it out! It should have appeared instantly! Sorry about that. It seems to be showing now. The nerdy answer is that Bithra itself doesn't really update or is aware of how much is in escrow, if you look at the source of the page you'll see this:



i.e. your browser is querying blocktrail and then displaying the results, so blocktrail was probably lagging or behind. If this continues to happen, I'll switch API providers =)

(And on a side note, if you want to be extra-secure you should check using a different block explorer to make sure blocktrail isn't lying or anything)

[RHavar]

Ive dealt with some pretty mean traders in the past. They agree to use escrow, I provide them with the service, but they don't release the payment. It just sits in the escrow's wallet. How do you guys combat this?

Yeah, this definitely happens and I think the two motivations for this happening are:

a) The person is hoping that by not releasing the escrow they can get it back
b) The person is a troll


Bithra solves problem a)   (because it explicitly refuses to return escrowed funds to the sender to avoid this attack) but is open to b).  However with b) the person has no financial motivation, so hopefully it doesn't happen too much.

I had some ideas to combat this, like having configurable deposits for both the sender and receiver. And then *after* the deposit obligations are done, they do the escrow. Then if the deal is amicably resolved, everyone gets their deposit back. (if not, people would also lose their deposits). This would mean trolls would lose money themselves. But at the moment, I'm not sure it's worth the complexity.

[Timelord2067]

I figured that by giving the link to blockchain.info that it would be taken as given that I had already checked the link to block trail https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1DeiTBRzQYhfwyTSXH5RP82u3xCcC7uAWf which also shows the funds as having landed.

However, the Bithra page still hasn't updated stating:

? BTC
(+ ? BTC unconfirmed)

https://www.bithra.com/escrows/1DeiTBRzQYhfwyTSXH5RP82u3xCcC7uAWf

It seems to be showing now.

What browser can you see it on?

I'm sure I won't be the only one asking, traders and their customers will also want to see the funds are being held in Escrow before they continue.

Thanks again.

[RHavar]

? BTC
(+ ? BTC unconfirmed)

I just tried in Chrome, Firefox and Safair and all seem to be working. Do you have an extension that blocks requests that would stop it loading? (Something like noscript or privacybadger or something?)

[Timelord2067]

Sorry about the delay getting back to this:

Mozilla FireFox and SeaMonkey both don't show the balance, however, Maxthon Cloud does show the balance, so all I have to do now is have the funds released.

(The above versions are all PortableApps versions of the Browsers)...

[alipro]

just do an escrow on bithra.com with lakuf,wish it work well

[lalala123456]

AMAZING SERVICE. RHaver is the REAL DEAL!

I lost 50$ earlier today to a scammer after not reading the details on escrow. I contacted RHaver and immediately got a response back. He blacklisted the guy who scammed me, neg trust him, and then graciously REFUNDED me out of his OWN POCKET!! AMAZING guy. Will be using his escrow service in the future and cant recommend his service enough to you guys!!

[lalala123456]

just do an escrow on bithra.com with lakuf,wish it work well

This is the guy who scammed me, F "lakuf" and all your alt accounts.

[alipro]

just do an escrow on bithra.com with lakuf,wish it work well

This is the guy who scammed me, F "lakuf" and all your alt accounts.

just do an escrow on bithra.com with lakuf,wish it work well

This is the guy who scammed me, F "lakuf" and all your alt accounts.

yes,he is a fraud
How can I do now???
https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF1QipNpnWVdfvNeCiYOcaX5EEUeUAUUdDmzcVOb8tJW

[Timelord2067]

just do an escrow on bithra.com with lakuf,wish it work well

This is the guy who scammed me, F "lakuf" and all your alt accounts.

just do an escrow on bithra.com with lakuf,wish it work well

This is the guy who scammed me, F "lakuf" and all your alt accounts.

yes,he is a fraud
How can I do now???
https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF1QipNpnWVdfvNeCiYOcaX5EEUeUAUUdDmzcVOb8tJW

Hmm:

Two things:

Firstly there is no "negative" on alipro's account (at all) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=857215

Secondly, please take your scam accusation to the so named scam accusation section.

[kassadin5]

i need advice if you can
i just went to buy something worth 160$ on bithra escrow from forum user lind82 (SCAMMER, PLEASE GIVE HIM NEGATIVE TRUST), i sent the money, then the seller (as you can see from the screenshots below) asked for the key, i started googling and found this
is there really no way to dispute my btc back?
before you start commenting on my trust read what it says, im not a scammer, i just sell something that shouldnt be sold
anyway pls help me guys, i really need the money...

[kassadin5]

hello? RHavar i saw you just gave him negative trust, please answer my pm

[Timelord2067]

i need advice if you can
i just went to buy something worth 160$ on bithra escrow from forum user lind82 (SCAMMER, PLEASE GIVE HIM NEGATIVE TRUST), i sent the money, then the seller (as you can see from the screenshots below) asked for the key, i started googling and found this
is there really no way to dispute my btc back?
before you start commenting on my trust read what it says, im not a scammer, i just sell something that shouldnt be sold
anyway pls help me guys, i really need the money...

You need to put all this in the Scam accusation section...

In any event, you put this into user lind82 's trust...

Scammed me for 160$, photo proof below, used skype profile lind82 and bitcoin adress 12GNo1TNmm8g75XtfD9M7LfeXLv39r8jHQ with 442 transactions at the moment
DONT USE BITHRA ESCROW IF HE PROPOSES IT, YOU CANT DISPUTE IT, IF YOU SEND YOUR BTC IS GONE, YOU CAN EITHER RELEASE ESCROW OR FORGET ABOUT THEM

lind82 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552363


I can't actually read what the screen shots say, but I'm just wondering did the other party refuse to send whatever it is, or have you decided not to go ahead with the trade?

Did you understand how Bithra has been set up to lock funds away until agreement can be reached?

[kassadin5]

can you see them now

https://i.imgur.com/RpoydOz.png

https://i.imgur.com/VOfajQ6.png

https://i.imgur.com/ihPiHl1.png

[bitcoin revo]

can you see them now

-snip-

Maybe, but this is a scam accusation and shouldn't be clogging up bithra.com's thread. Can you take it to the Scam Accusations section?

[kassadin5]

the money from the scam is stuck in bithra, and the owner of bithra himself admits he is 100% sure it's my money and i've been scammed, and he refuses to give me my btc
"However we do plan on sweeping abandoned escrows that are clearly never going to be resolved (older than a year, and no extensions)"
this is a quote from the page FAQ, he makes money by sweeping anything older then a year, and as you can see on the picture below, he asked me to wait for (wait for it) 1 year before contacting him
suspicious?


https://i.imgur.com/zoHSpnF.png

[RHavar]

the money from the scam is stuck in bithra, and the owner of bithra himself admits he is 100% sure it's my money and i've been scammed, and he refuses to give me my btc

I think you might be misunderstanding me a little. If your screenshot are accurate, then you were unfortunately scammed, but a few skype screenshot is not enough for me to subvert the promises and provably fair system of bithra. I don't mean to imply you are not telling the truth, as I'm sure you are -- but screenshots are not exactly solid proof, and bitha offers no arbitration nor the is even aware of the details of the trade.