bithra.com | Free and provably fair escrow

[Timelord2067]

From what I have seen Bithra.com is working exactly as it is supposed to.

As an outside observer, I have addressed at length the dual scam accusations here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534851.msg15449921#msg15449921 and have also contacted lind82 for comment.

As there is a dedicated scam accusation thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534851.0 it is unnecessary to continue this discussion any further here.

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[kassadin5]

ok then, what evidence do you need to release my btc? i will get it
*edit, just saw timelord's post, he's right, we'll continue this over there

[lind82]

ok then, what evidence do you need to release my btc? i will get it
*edit, just saw timelord's post, he's right, we'll continue this over there

i can help you for get btc you back, if you want ...

[GregH37]

From what I have seen Bithra.com is working exactly as it is supposed to.

As an outside observer, I have addressed at length the dual scam accusations here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534851.msg15449921#msg15449921 and have also contacted lind82 for comment.

As there is a dedicated scam accusation thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534851.0 it is unnecessary to continue this discussion any further here.

So finally it started to an scam. that's shit.. now people should be more careful about web based escrow services. I think we already have our legit and genuine human escrows here in bitcoin talk so we should prefer to get help from them instead of using a website which doesn't give any guarantee for your money. 

[Timelord2067]

ok then, what evidence do you need to release my btc? i will get it
*edit, just saw timelord's post, he's right, we'll continue this over there

i can help you for get btc you back, if you want ...

kassadin5 be very wary if lind82 starts suggesting that you use an escrow of their choosing to send the secret key to - there have been a few fake Escrows popping up claiming to be the real person when in fact they are impersonators.

[Timelord2067]

From what I have seen Bithra.com is working exactly as it is supposed to.

As an outside observer, I have addressed at length the dual scam accusations here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534851.msg15449921#msg15449921 and have also contacted lind82 for comment.

As there is a dedicated scam accusation thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534851.0 it is unnecessary to continue this discussion any further here.

So finally it started to an scam. that's shit.. now people should be more careful about web based escrow services. I think we already have our legit and genuine human escrows here in bitcoin talk so we should prefer to get help from them instead of using a website which doesn't give any guarantee for your money. 

Part of why I think Bithra is working perfectly is that it isn't blinded by any He said / She said issues that would cloud an Escrow's mind.  On the scam accusation page in the last hour lind82 has admitted he has already sold the item he'd already sold to kassadin5 who organised the Escrow through Bithra to another buyer (ie sold the same item twice).

In the last hour I have proposed to lind82 that they reimburse to kassadin5 the BTC 0.24 via a third party and then kassadin5 (who has already offered to provide the secret release to said third party) will release the funds that are destined for lind82.

Since I made the offer to lind82 they have gone offline.

[RHavar]

After a lot of thinking, I've disabled creating new escrows on bithra. The main point of bithra was to remove the incentive from scamming, it was never (by design) able to stop it. I still think it's a cool idea, and by and large has helped a lot of people; but I'd rather not get dragged into this crap when things go wrong. In kassadin5's specific case for example, while I feel for him, he's used a free escrow service with full awareness that it doesn't provide arbitration and then jumps to accuse me of scamming when he doesn't get arbitration. Incidentally, I've spent >1 BTC out of my own pocket helping people who were scammed while using bithra (like tricked into releasing the funds),  (as some of the previous comments will attest to). There's a hand-full of uncompleted escrow addresses, if they're not resolved within a year of creation I'll sweep them into some public donation addresses. No extensions of existing escrows will be granted, they'll need to be terminated within a year.


I'll reopen it for new escrows if I have the time and energy to develop a system where the receiver needs to provide a deposit, to prove he's serious about the trade and will suffer a financial loss if he's merely trolling.

[khalized]

That's why I never trust online escrows and never will trust them all at once!
There is no intellectual arbitration if one party tends to be trolling while completing a deal and the owner of escrow provider (Rhavar in this case) not believing in screenshots which already provides a solid proof to the case! Also he won't be returning the funds to the person who previously believed in a service.

These kind of online escrows are kind of money sucking services to be honest! I will never ever recommend them when reliable members like Blazed and Ognasty are here to do the job in a much more efficient and mature way.

I'm sorry to say that Rhavar is not at all being professional with this service unlike he is on Bustabit. That's totally not expected from you!

[minifrij]

...the owner of escrow provider (Rhavar in this case) not believing in screenshots which already provides a solid proof to the case!

This is because screenshots are not valid proof whatsoever, and should never be taken as such (especially when monetary loss could ensue because of it). I mean, you even said the same thing to me over Skype, right?

[RHavar]

That's why I never trust online escrows and never will trust them all at once!
There is no intellectual arbitration if one party tends to be trolling while completing a deal and the owner of escrow provider (Rhavar in this case) not believing in screenshots which already provides a solid proof to the case! Also he won't be returning the funds to the person who previously believed in a service.

These kind of online escrows are kind of money sucking services to be honest! I will never ever recommend them when reliable members like Blazed and Ognasty are here to do the job in a much more efficient and mature way.

I'm sorry to say that Rhavar is not at all being professional with this service unlike he is on Bustabit. That's totally not expected from you!

^ This is the exact reason I don't want to deal with this shit anymore.

1. I explicitly promise not to provide arbitration, and don't charge a fee. It's like going to a soup kitchen and screaming they don't offer clothes.

2. Screenshots can be faked, and even if the screenshot is real, how can I tell it's with the real party. It could be a conversation with his buddy? I've literally had a scammer try get his money out of an escrow before by using faked emails, and after I pushed back on his request he ended up releasing the money to the seller.

4. Yes, if you want arbitration use someone who offers it. They will charge a small fee (generally) and actually be aware of the terms of the deal and the participants. The way bithra is setup, I literally don't even know the involved parties.