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May 08, 2016, 11:08:56 AM |
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Nick Szabo, Dorian Nakamoto, Hal Finney, Dave Kleiman, Craig Wright . . . are among those that have been speculated to be Satoshi. And there might very well be many more to come.
There are believers for any of the above. Yet evidence has yet to prove that anyone is Satoshi Nakamoto.
Perhaps, after all, the question of the Who is not of relevance. Maybe it's the Why that matters most.
Yet the why is connected to the who.
Please answer three questions
1. Was Bitcoin created for or against the World Governments?
2. Was Bitcoin created for or against the World's population?
3. Was Bitcoin created independently or with/by the Government?
Thank you.
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May 08, 2016, 12:00:49 PM |
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It is not a problem if Bitcoin was created the government or any 3 letter agency because basically it's open source, so since it's open source we can know what the program does. This is why it doesn't matter who satoshi was, we can make Bitcoin do what we want it to do to benefit us, not someone's else original plan (if this was the case).
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May 08, 2016, 12:08:54 PM |
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It is not a problem if Bitcoin was created the government or any 3 letter agency because basically it's open source, so since it's open source we can know what the program does. This is why it doesn't matter who satoshi was, we can make Bitcoin do what we want it to do to benefit us, not someone's else original plan (if this was the case).
Who satoshi really is might be not important, but what matters is who has keys to the 1mil coins satoshi supposedly has. Are these coins for really gone from the market? Or will there be a 1 mil bitcoin dump one day?
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May 08, 2016, 02:06:50 PM |
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I am deeply offended you have left me out of the list.
You, Sir, have earned yourself a place on my small ignore list.
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May 08, 2016, 02:21:58 PM |
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I don't think any government had anything to do with Bitcoin's creation. It wasn't created for or against the world population, it is for the world to determine the path Bitcoin will take. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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May 08, 2016, 02:27:04 PM |
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Jeez, another of these threads? How long can everyone beat dead horses? Who cares? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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May 08, 2016, 02:35:17 PM |
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Jeez, another of these threads? How long can everyone beat dead horses? Who cares? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Craig, is that you?
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May 08, 2016, 02:49:49 PM |
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I don't know what would be the "true" creator and developers of bitcoins purpose for it. But in my opinion, it was created independently and for some other purpose.
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May 08, 2016, 04:16:46 PM |
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I've always felt Nick Szabo was Satoshi, just a hunch though I don't really have any theory or research on him. The only thing I find funny too is that they share the first letters of their names backwards: Nick (Nakamoto) Szabo (Satoshi), it's a long shot but maybe while looking for an alias this was his original idea.
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May 08, 2016, 07:07:46 PM |
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It is not a problem if Bitcoin was created the government or any 3 letter agency because basically it's open source, so since it's open source we can know what the program does. This is why it doesn't matter who satoshi was, we can make Bitcoin do what we want it to do to benefit us, not someone's else original plan (if this was the case).
Who satoshi really is might be not important, but what matters is who has keys to the 1mil coins satoshi supposedly has. Are these coins for really gone from the market? Or will there be a 1 mil bitcoin dump one day? The coins are not gone, but I don't think they'll be dumped all at once. It'll be a slow sell. But yes, the markets will panic a bit because so many people have convinced themselves that those coins would never see the light of day.
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May 08, 2016, 07:34:54 PM |
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I don't think any government had anything to do with Bitcoin's creation.
How can you be so sure about that? Who knows? It wasn't created for or against the world population, it is for the world to determine the path Bitcoin will take. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Again, who knows? Nobody knows the person under the pseudonym, Satoshi Nakamoto. So, the possibility is endless as long as, well, if we don't know who Satoshi Nakamoto is.
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somacoin (OP)
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May 08, 2016, 08:28:34 PM |
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Thanks for the interesting answer, guys! Keep them coming ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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May 08, 2016, 08:34:53 PM |
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I dont think any of the questions can be answered simply like one would think. It all depends on where bitcoin goes with time, and who and how they use it. Like everything else, bitcoin can be used for both good and bad things. It's like financial weapon how i imagine it, people should use it to defend themselves from financial "attacks", but just like normal weapons, it can be also used to attack out of bad intentions, like the cases with ransoms, and other illegal transactions.
Creator isnt important figure anymore because he has no more control over this project than any other, and its not important who he is but rather what his creation is.
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May 09, 2016, 06:13:01 AM |
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Nick Szabo, Dorian Nakamoto, Hal Finney, Dave Kleiman, Craig Wright . . . are among those that have been speculated to be Satoshi. And there might very well be many more to come.
There are believers for any of the above. Yet evidence has yet to prove that anyone is Satoshi Nakamoto.
Perhaps, after all, the question of the Who is not of relevance. Maybe it's the Why that matters most.
Yet the why is connected to the who.
Please answer three questions
1. Was Bitcoin created for or against the World Governments?
2. Was Bitcoin created for or against the World's population?
3. Was Bitcoin created independently or with/by the Government?
Thank you.
who is Nick Szabo?never hear about that guy before. but i think Craig Wright is the popular one. 1. Was Bitcoin created for or against the World Governments? i dont think so,even some proof guide me to that case,but my goverment take a best way against bitcoin now. 2. Was Bitcoin created for or against the World's population? i never think about this,and i'm not agree with this,bitcoin create for better technology in payment method. 3. Was Bitcoin created independently or with/by the Government? of course bitcoin create independently.
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May 09, 2016, 08:31:27 AM |
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Bitcoin was not created against governments or against world's population. It was created as an alternative to the actual financial system. It is not here to attack others. It is here to give people an opportunity, to have a choice.
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May 09, 2016, 08:36:10 AM |
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I am deeply offended you have left me out of the list.
You, Sir, have earned yourself a place on my small ignore list.
Ditto he is Batman ..and I'm Robin in the above....(I was the guy who did the burger and beer runs) Just saying (for my 'I was there' book) coming out "In Two Weeks" (tm BFL) also 'miffed' I was not mentioned at least as an 'aside'
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May 09, 2016, 10:22:53 AM |
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"Leave me alone" - Satoshi Nakamoto
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May 09, 2016, 10:39:33 AM |
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"Leave me alone" - Satoshi Nakamoto
sure....now that you don't want 'burger and beer money" anymore while you were coding ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) (hurt I am) ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Old Style Legacy Plug & Play BBS System. Get it from www.synchro.net. Updated 1/1/2021. It also works with Windows 10 and likely 11 and allows 16 bit DOS game doors on the same Win 10 Machine in Multi-Node! Five Minute Install! Look it over it uninstalls just as fast, if you simply want to look it over. Freeware! Full BBS System! It is a frigging hoot!:)
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May 09, 2016, 10:49:31 AM |
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I am deeply offended you have left me out of the list.
You, Sir, have earned yourself a place on my small ignore list.
Ditto he is Batman ..and I'm Robin in the above....(I was the guy who did the burger and beer runs) Just saying (for my 'I was there' book) coming out "In Two Weeks" (tm BFL) also 'miffed' I was not mentioned at least as an 'aside' To many speculation on who,where is satoshi nakamoto bu no one proves it many names are mentioned but no one in the said name is proven maybr satoshi nakamoto dont want to reveal itself and some other speculates that the real satoshi nakamoto is dead who knows maybe this one is right, because many years past his identity is still unknown.
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May 09, 2016, 03:13:52 PM |
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It's five centuries later and people are still sometimes debating about who really wrote the shakespeare plays.
I figure Satoshi Nakamoto's going to have the same fate.
My own opinion is that Satoshi was created because the business of being the original author of Bitcoin was a very high-risk position. Optimism about the future of Bitcoin correlates with pessimism about the safety of being its author. Because bitcoin has been at least somewhat successful so far, and has quite predictably been used as a vehicle for money laundering by everyone from ordinary tax cheats to the crooks at Silk Road to asshat jihadis, there are a whole lot of people who want to rob, tax, prosecute, blackmail, murder, or extort money from Satoshi Nakamoto. It's better that they don't have any good idea who s/he is.
I suppose that its creator knew s/he was going to make a lot of enemies with it, and that mob bosses, bankers, and the governments of various nations would be among them. I suppose that all the "silent" nodes on the Bitcoin network are there listening to see what IP address every transaction originates from, at least in some part because many of those actors want to pinpoint a location and possibly an identity for Satoshi if and when one of those addresses ever moves. If Satoshi wanted to spend any of those coins and remain unknown, s/he'd have to invest a week of time in OpSec to pull it off. While they listen to try to sort out EVERYBODY who uses Bitcoin, they'd make a special effort and follow up with people on the ground in that case.
I think that the person who created Bitcoin had very strong opinions about the economic exploitation of ordinary citizens, both by banks and by governments, and did in fact seek to oppose those influences. Ultimately, however, while Bitcoin does change the rules a bit, it presents new rules that don't really prevent economic exploitation so much as they change the methodology for doing it. Those interests can continue unabated in their economic exploitation of ordinary citizens, and are in the process of adapting, not relenting.
It was not created by a Government agency. Governments are not in the business of changing things that are working for them, and the central banking system/currency controls were working for them.
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