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May 14, 2016, 07:02:47 PM
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I'm afraid I laughed when I read the title. He is undermining his case by making silly statements. I wonder what got into him - did he see polls that showed Leave ahead and panicked?

Its exactly the same situation as the Scotland vote,the vote to leave was ahead till the last hours but the people voted to stay after Cameron got out the rhetoric stick and started to scare people. Why throw away a winning strategy when it is still effective!
No matter how silly it may seem people eat it up repeatedly till they dont.

The tactic is to mobilize the demographic groups which are opposed to the referendum. In case of the Scottish referendum, Cameron's scaremongering successfully mobilized large groups of pensioners and the elderly, who swung the momentum towards the "better together" side. The over-65 turnout was very high on 18th Sep 2014.
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May 14, 2016, 07:30:33 PM
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It's a bit far-fetched, but there's no denying Brexit would destroy what's left of European unity. There shall be a new Europe between Germany, the Netherlands and the few countries which have finances in order, but Switzerland, though not in the EU, would call for a revision of its partnership with the EU, Spain would relaunch pressure against Gibraltar, Greece would loose most of its supporters to stay, and Hungary, Slovakia, Poland and the Czech republic would form a new bloc not afraid to stand up against Germany. Don't think any of these could lead to a war, but tensions would rise.

Where would the money they need come from? Will russia finance all that fantasies?  Roll Eyes

Im willing to bet on no brexit and no ww3

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May 14, 2016, 07:42:38 PM
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Little bit of exageration and fearmongering there. I think an asteroid hitting the planet is more likely.

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May 15, 2016, 06:26:42 AM
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Out of the 5 most recent opinion polls, 3 have shown the LEAVE campaign on top. The latest one has LEAVE at 46% and STAY at 44%. The difference is still within the margin of error.

https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/9-May-2016.pdf

There is no gender gap this time around. The younger voters are in favor of remaining in the EU, while the middle-aged and the elderly are voting for Brexit.

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May 15, 2016, 09:02:31 AM
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There were a couple of politicians, Juncker foremostly, who said the same in regards to the Geenpeil referendum in the Netherlands. It's overly obvious fallacies from parties who see their power slip through their fingers: argumentun ad baculum, 'if you don't do as I say I will kill you'.

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May 15, 2016, 10:46:06 AM
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Re: 'Brexit' could trigger World War Three, warns David Cameron

At present, the biggest threats to Europe as a whole are socialism and bankruptcy. with the war politics that result from such.

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The U.K. will not leave the EU. All you socialist retards/chattel are going down the toilet together. Enjoy.
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May 16, 2016, 06:24:57 AM
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There is no gender gap this time around. The younger voters are in favor of remaining in the EU, while the middle-aged and the elderly are voting for Brexit.



Funny how the elderly might decide for the whole younger generation. ...

It's like "we already destroyed your country your economy and your planet, but we're not leaving without also deciding how your political life should be!"

The odds shouldn't have the right to vote. Or at least shouldn't have the same importance. Why the he'll can a 85 years old grandma who don't even know what Internet is decide of the fate of the country at the same level than a 20 years old student while she gonna dies in 5 years?!

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May 16, 2016, 09:03:33 AM
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Personally I think 'Brexit' is the way to go. In an age where every country is scrambling to be part of a bigger organism a country like the UK saying no to the trend is exactly what the world needs. I believe the European Union is something that cannot work in the long term, getting out now is a wise move.
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May 16, 2016, 01:54:54 PM
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Well, at least Cameron is humble enough to acknowledge that Britain needs to remain a member of the EU. Smiley

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May 16, 2016, 04:09:23 PM
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To strong words, in my opinion.
Politicians always have to make 'big' drama about everything, like that end of world will start tomorrow if UK left EU.
Nonsense.
UK is to much important country for EU so I'm sure that both sides already prepared scenarios for both cases.
In the worst case scenario, I'm sure UK and EU will arrange some special agreement about special status of UK in European Union.
I don't think much will change, any way.
Cameron is politician with agenda and he is trying to scare people, in order to get desired result and avoid any legal complication later.
Don't be naive and don't trust politicians.



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May 16, 2016, 04:59:41 PM
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People claim that the Eu has somehow prevented wars, but if you look at other parts of the world that aren't in the EU, they haven't had any/many major wars either.

The EU hasn't prevented catalonia wanting independence, or Scotland.  It didn't stop war in Europe when Yugoslavia split up.  Ok Western Europe hasn't had a war with itself, but it didn't from the end of the WW2 until the EU starting either!
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People claim that the Eu has somehow prevented wars, but if you look at other parts of the world that aren't in the EU, they haven't had any/many major wars either.

The EU hasn't prevented catalonia wanting independence, or Scotland.  It didn't stop war in Europe when Yugoslavia split up.  Ok Western Europe hasn't had a war with itself, but it didn't from the end of the WW2 until the EU starting either!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_wars_by_date

I dont wanna be offensive but did you live on the moon the past 15 years o.O

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May 16, 2016, 05:31:53 PM
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I'm afraid I laughed when I read the title. He is undermining his case by making silly statements. I wonder what got into him - did he see polls that showed Leave ahead and panicked?

Its exactly the same situation as the Scotland vote,the vote to leave was ahead till the last hours but the people voted to stay after Cameron got out the rhetoric stick and started to scare people. Why throw away a winning strategy when it is still effective!
No matter how silly it may seem people eat it up repeatedly till they dont.

The tactic is to mobilize the demographic groups which are opposed to the referendum. In case of the Scottish referendum, Cameron's scaremongering successfully mobilized large groups of pensioners and the elderly, who swung the momentum towards the "better together" side. The over-65 turnout was very high on 18th Sep 2014.

The interesting thing is that this time the over 65s are most in favour of Brexit and they're likely to turn out to vote. Their pensions arn't at stake, the stakes in general are lower than in the Scottish referendum.

 
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May 16, 2016, 08:15:01 PM
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I'm afraid I laughed when I read the title. He is undermining his case by making silly statements. I wonder what got into him - did he see polls that showed Leave ahead and panicked?

Its exactly the same situation as the Scotland vote,the vote to leave was ahead till the last hours but the people voted to stay after Cameron got out the rhetoric stick and started to scare people. Why throw away a winning strategy when it is still effective!
No matter how silly it may seem people eat it up repeatedly till they dont.

The tactic is to mobilize the demographic groups which are opposed to the referendum. In case of the Scottish referendum, Cameron's scaremongering successfully mobilized large groups of pensioners and the elderly, who swung the momentum towards the "better together" side. The over-65 turnout was very high on 18th Sep 2014.

The interesting thing is that this time the over 65s are most in favour of Brexit and they're likely to turn out to vote. Their pensions arn't at stake, the stakes in general are lower than in the Scottish referendum.


Then you have people like

Angelina Jolie Pitt: ‘Don’t Brexit, and Keep your Borders Open to Migrants’

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/16/angelina-jolie-borders-open-migrants/

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May 16, 2016, 09:52:08 PM
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Then you have people like

Angelina Jolie Pitt: ‘Don’t Brexit, and Keep your Borders Open to Migrants’

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/16/angelina-jolie-borders-open-migrants/

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Hollywood people, totally ignorant of how the average folks lives. Still, I don't think brexit could change many things regarding immigration. All the young men sleeping rough in Calais and waiting to cross the channel don't care much about the UK being in or out of EU.

I used to be a citizen and a taxpayer. Those days are long gone.
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Then you have people like

Angelina Jolie Pitt: ‘Don’t Brexit, and Keep your Borders Open to Migrants’

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/16/angelina-jolie-borders-open-migrants/

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Angelina doesn't have a vote. It is amazing the amount of people from abroad who have been trying to sway the vote: Obama, Trump, the IMF, the World Bank, NATO, various people from Hollywood, every single leader of an EU country, and we've still got a month to go!

 
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May 17, 2016, 04:33:47 PM
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It's pretty shameful that both sides of the argument have resorted to fear campaigns and spreading misinformation.  The leave campaign are just as bad, if not worse.  This blog post has a pretty decent overview of the current situation and summarises:

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It's becoming more and more obvious that really strong arguments from either side of the EU referendum debate are pretty damned rare in comparison to the sheer volume of fearmongering propaganda. Admittedly this is quite a dispiriting conclusion, but a good starting point for dealing with this situation is the adoption of the policy that it's a good idea to apply your critical thinking skills to pretty much everything anyone tries to convince you to believe, whether it's about the EU referendum or not.

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May 17, 2016, 05:58:22 PM
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I like the line of the E.U be compared to Hitler in wanting a super state. That one made me laugh as I was thinking he was trying to be like a UK Trump or something with that comment.

The dynamics are such that UK pulls out and they most likely lose their power over Scotland and the rest of the commonwealth. These places benefit way to much from the EU agreement to say Yes to a Brexit.

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I like the line of the E.U be compared to Hitler in wanting a super state. That one made me laugh as I was thinking he was trying to be like a UK Trump or something with that comment.

Boris certainly has the hair for it, heh. 





Next he'll be saying we should rebuild Hadrian's Wall to keep the Scots out.   Roll Eyes

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Shock Stats: 1.6 Million New UK Voters Registered in Past 30 Days



Leave campaigners are concerned that a massive tax payer-funded push to register more than one million young people to vote will drastically alter the country’s European Union (EU) referendum result.



Government statistics reveal that in the past month alone, over 1.6 million people have registered to vote in the UK referendum on EU membership, with 900,000 of these registrations coming from those aged under 34 years.

Traditionally, younger voters are more inclined to vote to Remain in the European Union than leave. Recent YouGov polling reveals that those under the age of 24 are likely to vote ‘Remain’ by 64 per cent to 18 per cent, with 5 per cent saying they would not vote, and 13 per cent remaining undecided.

Of the age group 25-49, Remain has the backing of 44 per cent of voters, with just 35 per cent saying they’d vote to leave (six per cent would not vote, and 14 per cent are undecided).

The British government has undertaken a massive voter registration campaign, as has the Labour Party and a number of left-wing, pro-EU outfits such as the BBC, Facebook, local councils, Bite the Ballot, 38 Degrees, the Green Party, and more.

    Just 3 days to register to vote in the EU referendum. Register here (you'll need your National Insurance number): https://t.co/vdRSW8NN4m

    — David Cameron (@David_Cameron) June 4, 2016

One Leave campaign insider told Breitbart London: “It’s very interesting, isn’t it? Vote Leave haven’t really managed to do any voter registration drive. Nor do they have a get out the vote operation on the day. There’s no big data. The other side have the Lib Dem data, the Labour Party data, the Green Party data, and much more. I’m not saying this referendum isn’t winnable, but our side has done very little – relying on flawed polls and media instead”.

The government has not yet revealed how much tax payer money it has spent on the voter registration drive, but there have been adverts across traditional media platforms, as well as on Facebook and Twitter.

While over 53 per cent of newly registered voters are younger people, just 27 per cent of new registrations are over 45, the group most likely to vote to leave the European Union. The rest (18.5 per cent) are from the 35-44 age bracket.

On June 3rd, in one day alone, a whopping 192,000 people registered to vote, with 51,700 of these being under 25, and 21,400 of these being between the ages of 25 and 34.

Of a total 1.6 million registrations in 30 days, 95 per cent were conducted online, with just 5 per cent filed by post.

Ninety-four per cent of registrations were from UK citizens, with 5 per cent from UK citizens abroad, and just 0.05 per cent from civil servants abroad, and 0.02 per cent from UK Armed forces abroad.

Matthew Goodwin, Professor of Politics and International Relations at the University of Kent told Breitbart London: “To have an edge on June 23rd the Leave camp will need to be out there on the ground, contacting more voters and focusing their efforts on getting out the vote.

“It is clear from our research that Vote Leave are currently failing to keep pace with Remain when it comes to their number of events and reach. It is also clear that whereas Remain are focused on the densely-populated and more diverse cities, trying to mobilise young people, the Leave side are scattered more widely and seem to have a little less focus”.


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/05/surge-youth-voter-registration-causes-concern-leave-campaigners/














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