'Brexit' could trigger World War Three, warns David Cameron

[Wilikon]

David Cameron will plead for Britain to stay in the EU and help prevent the Continent being ripped apart by another conflict.

Mr Cameron will highlight the UK’s role in bringing peace to Europe as he hits the referendum campaign trail.

Both the Prime Minister and his Brexit -backing Tory rival Boris Johnson make speeches this morning in the countdown to the June 23 vote.

Mr Cameron will refer to Britain’s role in “pivotal moments in European history: Blenheim, Trafalgar, Waterloo, our country’s heroism in the Great War and, most of all, our lone stand in 1940”.

He will recall how Winston Churchill “argued passionately for Western Europe to come together, to promote free trade and build institutions which would endure so our continent would never again see such bloodshed”.

He will add: “Either we influence Europe, or it influences us. And if things go wrong in Europe, let’s not pretend we can be immune from consequences.”

Mr Cameron believes UK leadership as an EU member is necessary to help avoid future conflict in Europe and he will ask: “Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt?”


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

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[Evildrum]

This reminds me of the vote fo independence for Scotland vote, but the talking points are more pointed and fearful rhetoric attempts.
Its interesting and I am not judging just wonder if other Countries in the same situation would handle it differently. I am leaning towards no but think its a interesting route to look at.
A Europe without the U.K influence could make Russia more influential in the East.

[Wilikon]

This reminds me of the vote fo independence for Scotland vote, but the talking points are more pointed and fearful rhetoric attempts.
Its interesting and I am not judging just wonder if other Countries in the same situation would handle it differently. I am leaning towards no but think its a interesting route to look at.
A Europe without the U.K influence could make Russia more influential in the East.

When fear is used to convince people, no matter how they will vote, this will be seen as a weakness by Russia. Thanks to that global warming push, most europe has cut its coal output, killing nuclear solutions, refusing fracking exploration, becoming more and more dependent on the energy from Russia.

[bryant.coleman]

If Britain gets out of the European Union, then the European Union will lose a little bit of its warmongering character. The United Kingdom was one of the most active backers of the United States, when the latter decided to bomb / invade foreign nations such as Serbia, Srpska, Libya, Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan. So Brexit will be good for the world peace.

[Evildrum]

If Britain gets out of the European Union, then the European Union will lose a little bit of its warmongering character. The United Kingdom was one of the most active backers of the United States, when the latter decided to bomb / invade foreign nations such as Serbia, Srpska, Libya, Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan. So Brexit will be good for the world peace.

Disagree. As much as Britian and the States come across as warmongers, there are plenty of Countries that hide behind what they do on the global stage and others that would suffer without them. Not saying I agree with their tactics all the time but it helps deter issues as well knowing there will be consequences.
Some of these Eastern Countries will be nibbled on as a test that may extend farther West. I know Poland is a bad example for what I am trying to point to.
Just think Europe is for sure weaker without the UK.
Will be interesting from a far, would hate to be in the UK if the vote is yes.

[by.Szun]

Completely overstates reaction from Mr. Cameron.

The Brexit will inevitably destabilize Europe to a degree. Losing a big partner in the CFSP program will weaken Europe as an international military force. However, Britain's national security interests are often in-line with continental Europe's. At present, the biggest threats to Europe as a whole are Russia (scary, but unlikely), Turkish aggression (not scary, also unlikely), Germany rising up again (lol) and ISIS (Frightening, Highly likely). Of all of these threats, only continued attacks from ISIS are of any real concern to European nations. And given the guerilla nature of the threat, it's one that's best dealt with by action within each individual country.

In terms of economic damage, it's still unseen. There are well respected economists on both sides of the argument. However, one thing they all agree on is that the damage or benefit will not destroy either the British or Continental economies.

[bryant.coleman]

At present, the biggest threats to Europe as a whole are Russia (scary, but unlikely), Turkish aggression (not scary, also unlikely), Germany rising up again (lol) and ISIS (Frightening, Highly likely).

None of these are real threats to the European Union. The real threat to the EU comes within its own borders. Lunatic leaders such as Angela Merkel and François Hollande are the real threats to the European Union. Russia, Turkey, and the ISIS are not interested in attacking any of the European Union member nations.

[designerusa]

If Britain gets out of the European Union, then the European Union will lose a little bit of its warmongering character. The United Kingdom was one of the most active backers of the United States, when the latter decided to bomb / invade foreign nations such as Serbia, Srpska, Libya, Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan. So Brexit will be good for the world peace.

agreed. britain is the one of the most hawkish country in this world .. so i dont think that european union will let united kingdom be separeted from its assosation.

[bryant.coleman]

agreed. britain is the one of the most hawkish country in this world .. so i dont think that european union will let united kingdom be separeted from its assosation.

The European Union needs the United Kingdom, because they need donor nations to support the parasites (Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Slovakia.etc). Without funds from donor nations such as the UK, the EU will not be able to properly subsidize the loss-making industries and enterprises in the Eastern European member nations.

[Lethn]

If there was ever an example of fear mongering this is a classic example, fucks sake, they keep acting like a collapse of the European Union would be the end of the world, you just know these are simply career politicians desperate to get unelected positions in the new empire they're trying to build.

I really hope that we can give the middle finger to the EU, I really do, I'll be voting on the referendum for sure, there is a huge amount of fear mongering going on from the pro-eu side.

[coinzat]

- Cameron on 'Brexit': 'Isolationism has never served this country well'

British Prime Minister David Cameron has outlined his "big, bold, patriotic case" for the UK to stay in the European Union, saying that the country would be weaker and less-equipped to combat terrorism if it voted to leave.

In a speech Monday at the British Museum in London, Cameron argued that Britain's strength and security was inextricably linked to events in Europe -- and its ability to wield influence there.

"Britain has always been a European power, and we always will be," he said.
"Isolationism has never served this country well. Whenever we turn our back on Europe, sooner or later we come to regret it. We've always had to go back in and always at a much higher cost."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/09/europe/uk-brexit-cameron-speech/

[catch.me.if.you.can]

Bullshit, nobody is enough stupid to start WW3. The EU/CIA mafia started the propaganda again to scare the people like the propaganda of Grexit.

[Moloch2]

Russia will be humiliated when Hillary's term starts. With Cameron, Clinton will push Russian invaders out of Ukraine, once and for all. And Uk will help Ukraine to become a EU and a NATO member state.

[by.Szun]

At present, the biggest threats to Europe as a whole are Russia (scary, but unlikely), Turkish aggression (not scary, also unlikely), Germany rising up again (lol) and ISIS (Frightening, Highly likely).

None of these are real threats to the European Union. The real threat to the EU comes within its own borders. Lunatic leaders such as Angela Merkel and François Hollande are the real threats to the European Union. Russia, Turkey, and the ISIS are not interested in attacking any of the European Union member nations.

Do you even read the news? ISIS continually put members into major metro areas. Some attacks are successful, others are not. But they clearly want to fuck up Europe.

[bryant.coleman]

Russia will be humiliated when Hillary's term starts. With Cameron, Clinton will push Russian invaders out of Ukraine, once and for all. And Uk will help Ukraine to become a EU and a NATO member state.

By the time Hitlery finish her term, there won't be a NATO or the European Union for Ukraine to join. 

Hitlery suffers from acute schizophrenia and dementia, and in all probability, her girlfriend (Huma Abedin) will be the one in charge of running the affairs. She is more interested in attacking third world nations such as Iran and DPRK, rather than confronting Russia over the issues of Crimea and Donbass. 

[alyssa85]

I'm afraid I laughed when I read the title. He is undermining his case by making silly statements. I wonder what got into him - did he see polls that showed Leave ahead and panicked?

[Evildrum]

I'm afraid I laughed when I read the title. He is undermining his case by making silly statements. I wonder what got into him - did he see polls that showed Leave ahead and panicked?

Its exactly the same situation as the Scotland vote,the vote to leave was ahead till the last hours but the people voted to stay after Cameron got out the rhetoric stick and started to scare people. Why throw away a winning strategy when it is still effective!
No matter how silly it may seem people eat it up repeatedly till they dont.

[gentlemand]

This is an interesting line of reasoning. I somehow struggle to see how it's going to turn Europe into a rabid pit of hate but I'll retain an open mind.

[Snail2]

This is an interesting line of reasoning. I somehow struggle to see how it's going to turn Europe into a rabid pit of hate but I'll retain an open mind.

If the UK leaves the EU, German companies in the UK (that means about a half of the remaining UK industry) have to pay taxes in the UK instead of pumping the money to home. Merkel would be furious. That would screw the financial backing of her savage breeding programs, so she would surely unleash her Tigers Leopards... in worst case she might even unleash all three Leopards what they haven't already sold for scrap. Terrifying outlook. Isn't it?

[countryfree]

It's a bit far-fetched, but there's no denying Brexit would destroy what's left of European unity. There shall be a new Europe between Germany, the Netherlands and the few countries which have finances in order, but Switzerland, though not in the EU, would call for a revision of its partnership with the EU, Spain would relaunch pressure against Gibraltar, Greece would loose most of its supporters to stay, and Hungary, Slovakia, Poland and the Czech republic would form a new bloc not afraid to stand up against Germany. Don't think any of these could lead to a war, but tensions would rise.

[bryant.coleman]

I'm afraid I laughed when I read the title. He is undermining his case by making silly statements. I wonder what got into him - did he see polls that showed Leave ahead and panicked?

Its exactly the same situation as the Scotland vote,the vote to leave was ahead till the last hours but the people voted to stay after Cameron got out the rhetoric stick and started to scare people. Why throw away a winning strategy when it is still effective!
No matter how silly it may seem people eat it up repeatedly till they dont.

The tactic is to mobilize the demographic groups which are opposed to the referendum. In case of the Scottish referendum, Cameron's scaremongering successfully mobilized large groups of pensioners and the elderly, who swung the momentum towards the "better together" side. The over-65 turnout was very high on 18th Sep 2014.

[criptix]

It's a bit far-fetched, but there's no denying Brexit would destroy what's left of European unity. There shall be a new Europe between Germany, the Netherlands and the few countries which have finances in order, but Switzerland, though not in the EU, would call for a revision of its partnership with the EU, Spain would relaunch pressure against Gibraltar, Greece would loose most of its supporters to stay, and Hungary, Slovakia, Poland and the Czech republic would form a new bloc not afraid to stand up against Germany. Don't think any of these could lead to a war, but tensions would rise.

Where would the money they need come from? Will russia finance all that fantasies? 

Im willing to bet on no brexit and no ww3

[RealBitcoin]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

Little bit of exageration and fearmongering there. I think an asteroid hitting the planet is more likely.

[bryant.coleman]

Out of the 5 most recent opinion polls, 3 have shown the LEAVE campaign on top. The latest one has LEAVE at 46% and STAY at 44%. The difference is still within the margin of error.

https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/9-May-2016.pdf

There is no gender gap this time around. The younger voters are in favor of remaining in the EU, while the middle-aged and the elderly are voting for Brexit.

[RJX]

There were a couple of politicians, Juncker foremostly, who said the same in regards to the Geenpeil referendum in the Netherlands. It's overly obvious fallacies from parties who see their power slip through their fingers: argumentun ad baculum, 'if you don't do as I say I will kill you'.

quite cheap.

[sockpuppet1]

Re: 'Brexit' could trigger World War Three, warns David Cameron

At present, the biggest threats to Europe as a whole are socialism and bankruptcy. with the war politics that result from such.

ftfy

The U.K. will not leave the EU. All you socialist retards/chattel are going down the toilet together. Enjoy.

[mOgliE]

There is no gender gap this time around. The younger voters are in favor of remaining in the EU, while the middle-aged and the elderly are voting for Brexit.

Funny how the elderly might decide for the whole younger generation. ...

It's like "we already destroyed your country your economy and your planet, but we're not leaving without also deciding how your political life should be!"

The odds shouldn't have the right to vote. Or at least shouldn't have the same importance. Why the he'll can a 85 years old grandma who don't even know what Internet is decide of the fate of the country at the same level than a 20 years old student while she gonna dies in 5 years?!

[ObscureBean]

Personally I think 'Brexit' is the way to go. In an age where every country is scrambling to be part of a bigger organism a country like the UK saying no to the trend is exactly what the world needs. I believe the European Union is something that cannot work in the long term, getting out now is a wise move.

[Dinki]

Well, at least Cameron is humble enough to acknowledge that Britain needs to remain a member of the EU.

[Daniel91]

To strong words, in my opinion.
Politicians always have to make 'big' drama about everything, like that end of world will start tomorrow if UK left EU.
Nonsense.
UK is to much important country for EU so I'm sure that both sides already prepared scenarios for both cases.
In the worst case scenario, I'm sure UK and EU will arrange some special agreement about special status of UK in European Union.
I don't think much will change, any way.
Cameron is politician with agenda and he is trying to scare people, in order to get desired result and avoid any legal complication later.
Don't be naive and don't trust politicians.

[NUFCrichard]

People claim that the Eu has somehow prevented wars, but if you look at other parts of the world that aren't in the EU, they haven't had any/many major wars either.

The EU hasn't prevented catalonia wanting independence, or Scotland.  It didn't stop war in Europe when Yugoslavia split up.  Ok Western Europe hasn't had a war with itself, but it didn't from the end of the WW2 until the EU starting either!

[criptix]

People claim that the Eu has somehow prevented wars, but if you look at other parts of the world that aren't in the EU, they haven't had any/many major wars either.

The EU hasn't prevented catalonia wanting independence, or Scotland.  It didn't stop war in Europe when Yugoslavia split up.  Ok Western Europe hasn't had a war with itself, but it didn't from the end of the WW2 until the EU starting either!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_wars_by_date

I dont wanna be offensive but did you live on the moon the past 15 years o.O

[alyssa85]

I'm afraid I laughed when I read the title. He is undermining his case by making silly statements. I wonder what got into him - did he see polls that showed Leave ahead and panicked?

Its exactly the same situation as the Scotland vote,the vote to leave was ahead till the last hours but the people voted to stay after Cameron got out the rhetoric stick and started to scare people. Why throw away a winning strategy when it is still effective!
No matter how silly it may seem people eat it up repeatedly till they dont.

The tactic is to mobilize the demographic groups which are opposed to the referendum. In case of the Scottish referendum, Cameron's scaremongering successfully mobilized large groups of pensioners and the elderly, who swung the momentum towards the "better together" side. The over-65 turnout was very high on 18th Sep 2014.

The interesting thing is that this time the over 65s are most in favour of Brexit and they're likely to turn out to vote. Their pensions arn't at stake, the stakes in general are lower than in the Scottish referendum.

[Wilikon]

I'm afraid I laughed when I read the title. He is undermining his case by making silly statements. I wonder what got into him - did he see polls that showed Leave ahead and panicked?

Its exactly the same situation as the Scotland vote,the vote to leave was ahead till the last hours but the people voted to stay after Cameron got out the rhetoric stick and started to scare people. Why throw away a winning strategy when it is still effective!
No matter how silly it may seem people eat it up repeatedly till they dont.

The tactic is to mobilize the demographic groups which are opposed to the referendum. In case of the Scottish referendum, Cameron's scaremongering successfully mobilized large groups of pensioners and the elderly, who swung the momentum towards the "better together" side. The over-65 turnout was very high on 18th Sep 2014.

The interesting thing is that this time the over 65s are most in favour of Brexit and they're likely to turn out to vote. Their pensions arn't at stake, the stakes in general are lower than in the Scottish referendum.

Then you have people like

Angelina Jolie Pitt: ‘Don’t Brexit, and Keep your Borders Open to Migrants’

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/16/angelina-jolie-borders-open-migrants/

 

[countryfree]

Then you have people like

Angelina Jolie Pitt: ‘Don’t Brexit, and Keep your Borders Open to Migrants’

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/16/angelina-jolie-borders-open-migrants/

 

Hollywood people, totally ignorant of how the average folks lives. Still, I don't think brexit could change many things regarding immigration. All the young men sleeping rough in Calais and waiting to cross the channel don't care much about the UK being in or out of EU.

[alyssa85]

Then you have people like

Angelina Jolie Pitt: ‘Don’t Brexit, and Keep your Borders Open to Migrants’

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/16/angelina-jolie-borders-open-migrants/

 

Angelina doesn't have a vote. It is amazing the amount of people from abroad who have been trying to sway the vote: Obama, Trump, the IMF, the World Bank, NATO, various people from Hollywood, every single leader of an EU country, and we've still got a month to go!

[DooMAD]

It's pretty shameful that both sides of the argument have resorted to fear campaigns and spreading misinformation.  The leave campaign are just as bad, if not worse.  This blog post has a pretty decent overview of the current situation and summarises:

It's becoming more and more obvious that really strong arguments from either side of the EU referendum debate are pretty damned rare in comparison to the sheer volume of fearmongering propaganda. Admittedly this is quite a dispiriting conclusion, but a good starting point for dealing with this situation is the adoption of the policy that it's a good idea to apply your critical thinking skills to pretty much everything anyone tries to convince you to believe, whether it's about the EU referendum or not.

[Evildrum]

I like the line of the E.U be compared to Hitler in wanting a super state. That one made me laugh as I was thinking he was trying to be like a UK Trump or something with that comment.

The dynamics are such that UK pulls out and they most likely lose their power over Scotland and the rest of the commonwealth. These places benefit way to much from the EU agreement to say Yes to a Brexit.

[DooMAD]

I like the line of the E.U be compared to Hitler in wanting a super state. That one made me laugh as I was thinking he was trying to be like a UK Trump or something with that comment.

Boris certainly has the hair for it, heh. 





Next he'll be saying we should rebuild Hadrian's Wall to keep the Scots out.   

[Wilikon]

Shock Stats: 1.6 Million New UK Voters Registered in Past 30 Days



Leave campaigners are concerned that a massive tax payer-funded push to register more than one million young people to vote will drastically alter the country’s European Union (EU) referendum result.



Government statistics reveal that in the past month alone, over 1.6 million people have registered to vote in the UK referendum on EU membership, with 900,000 of these registrations coming from those aged under 34 years.

Traditionally, younger voters are more inclined to vote to Remain in the European Union than leave. Recent YouGov polling reveals that those under the age of 24 are likely to vote ‘Remain’ by 64 per cent to 18 per cent, with 5 per cent saying they would not vote, and 13 per cent remaining undecided.

Of the age group 25-49, Remain has the backing of 44 per cent of voters, with just 35 per cent saying they’d vote to leave (six per cent would not vote, and 14 per cent are undecided).

The British government has undertaken a massive voter registration campaign, as has the Labour Party and a number of left-wing, pro-EU outfits such as the BBC, Facebook, local councils, Bite the Ballot, 38 Degrees, the Green Party, and more.

    Just 3 days to register to vote in the EU referendum. Register here (you'll need your National Insurance number): https://t.co/vdRSW8NN4m

    — David Cameron (@David_Cameron) June 4, 2016

One Leave campaign insider told Breitbart London: “It’s very interesting, isn’t it? Vote Leave haven’t really managed to do any voter registration drive. Nor do they have a get out the vote operation on the day. There’s no big data. The other side have the Lib Dem data, the Labour Party data, the Green Party data, and much more. I’m not saying this referendum isn’t winnable, but our side has done very little – relying on flawed polls and media instead”.

The government has not yet revealed how much tax payer money it has spent on the voter registration drive, but there have been adverts across traditional media platforms, as well as on Facebook and Twitter.

While over 53 per cent of newly registered voters are younger people, just 27 per cent of new registrations are over 45, the group most likely to vote to leave the European Union. The rest (18.5 per cent) are from the 35-44 age bracket.

On June 3rd, in one day alone, a whopping 192,000 people registered to vote, with 51,700 of these being under 25, and 21,400 of these being between the ages of 25 and 34.

Of a total 1.6 million registrations in 30 days, 95 per cent were conducted online, with just 5 per cent filed by post.

Ninety-four per cent of registrations were from UK citizens, with 5 per cent from UK citizens abroad, and just 0.05 per cent from civil servants abroad, and 0.02 per cent from UK Armed forces abroad.

Matthew Goodwin, Professor of Politics and International Relations at the University of Kent told Breitbart London: “To have an edge on June 23rd the Leave camp will need to be out there on the ground, contacting more voters and focusing their efforts on getting out the vote.

“It is clear from our research that Vote Leave are currently failing to keep pace with Remain when it comes to their number of events and reach. It is also clear that whereas Remain are focused on the densely-populated and more diverse cities, trying to mobilise young people, the Leave side are scattered more widely and seem to have a little less focus”.


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/05/surge-youth-voter-registration-causes-concern-leave-campaigners/

https://youtu.be/rNJ05NfM-4Y

[criptix]

Brainwashed scum!!!!!

The kids today just dont know what is good for them

[bbc.reporter]

David Cameron will plead for Britain to stay in the EU and help prevent the Continent being ripped apart by another conflict.

Mr Cameron will highlight the UK’s role in bringing peace to Europe as he hits the referendum campaign trail.

Both the Prime Minister and his Brexit -backing Tory rival Boris Johnson make speeches this morning in the countdown to the June 23 vote.

Mr Cameron will refer to Britain’s role in “pivotal moments in European history: Blenheim, Trafalgar, Waterloo, our country’s heroism in the Great War and, most of all, our lone stand in 1940”.

He will recall how Winston Churchill “argued passionately for Western Europe to come together, to promote free trade and build institutions which would endure so our continent would never again see such bloodshed”.

He will add: “Either we influence Europe, or it influences us. And if things go wrong in Europe, let’s not pretend we can be immune from consequences.”

Mr Cameron believes UK leadership as an EU member is necessary to help avoid future conflict in Europe and he will ask: “Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt?”


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

There's also news of potential conflict between the US and China over the Scarborough Shoal issue west of the Philippine Islands. China aparently are building some sort of base or station over there with a runway already built. US warships are already sailing the waters near the area. This could escalate quickly if both sides are not careful. Japan has already repealed a law not allowing their governemnt from sending troops outside their country.

Scary times ahead.

[criptix]

David Cameron will plead for Britain to stay in the EU and help prevent the Continent being ripped apart by another conflict.

Mr Cameron will highlight the UK’s role in bringing peace to Europe as he hits the referendum campaign trail.

Both the Prime Minister and his Brexit -backing Tory rival Boris Johnson make speeches this morning in the countdown to the June 23 vote.

Mr Cameron will refer to Britain’s role in “pivotal moments in European history: Blenheim, Trafalgar, Waterloo, our country’s heroism in the Great War and, most of all, our lone stand in 1940”.

He will recall how Winston Churchill “argued passionately for Western Europe to come together, to promote free trade and build institutions which would endure so our continent would never again see such bloodshed”.

He will add: “Either we influence Europe, or it influences us. And if things go wrong in Europe, let’s not pretend we can be immune from consequences.”

Mr Cameron believes UK leadership as an EU member is necessary to help avoid future conflict in Europe and he will ask: “Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt?”


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

There's also news of potential conflict between the US and China over the Scarborough Shoal issue west of the Philippine Islands. China aparently are building some sort of base or station over there with a runway already built. US warships are already sailing the waters near the area. This could escalate quickly if both sides are not careful. Japan has already repealed a law not allowing their governemnt from sending troops outside their country.

Scary times ahead.

Seems you were sleeping for atleast the last decade:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea

[alyssa85]

Three polls out today showing Leave moving ahead of Remain. The big question is can Leave sustain the momentum, or have they peaked too early.

[Masha Sha]

Best arguments I have heard to support the leave vote:

https://youtu.be/rNJ05NfM-4Y

This Paul Joseph Watson would have joined the independence revolution in 1776!

I have question for all of you interested by this, why would the vote be honest? Will their be neutral observer to over watch it? Why do you trust the gov (who is against it) to be honest about it? Why can't you even imagine that it may be rigged? Exceptionalism? I know it makes a lot of question... So a last one: and her Majesty, in all of this (to permit you to regroup intellectually from the idea that there could be rigging... I know it's important to be soft with people who have been asleep for a very long time?

[alyssa85]

Best arguments I have heard to support the leave vote:

https://youtu.be/rNJ05NfM-4Y

This Paul Joseph Watson would have joined the independence revolution in 1776!

I have question for all of you interested by this, why would the vote be honest? Will their be neutral observer to over watch it? Why do you trust the gov (who is against it) to be honest about it? Why can't you even imagine that it may be rigged? Exceptionalism? I know it makes a lot of question... So a last one: and her Majesty, in all of this (to permit you to regroup intellectually from the idea that there could be rigging... I know it's important to be soft with people who have been asleep for a very long time?

The answer is Yes to both questions - it will be honest and neutral observers will be present. Britain doesn't use voting machines (with software hidden from the observer). We use old-fashioned ballot papers.

I was present once at a count, and it reassured me about how robust the whole process was. The council employees who counted the papers sat at long tables counting the ballots. Standing behind them were observers (such as myself) watching them. They sort them into piles first for each candidate and lots of the observers keep tallies, they are rough tallies, but they usually accord with the final result and if in doubt you can ask for a recount. There were all sorts of observers - every single political party has people there, including all the candidates, plus members of the public. When it came to the spoilt ballots, the returning officer dealt with them one by one. He held each one up so everyone could see and said, either "it's unclear what this one means", or "this one has written the name of the party instead of marking an X, are we agreed it should count towards that party" and so on. Some of the spoilt ballots had rude messages on them, and of course everyone got to see them.

Any member of the public can apply to be an observer, you just have to ask your council in good time.

This referendum will be counted on a council by council basis, so the counts will be small enough that pretty much everything is closely observed. It will be a fair count

[Masha Sha]

The answer is Yes to both questions

 It will be a fair count

Thank you very much for your answers.

May I ask when are the results estimated to be published? During the night of the 23?

[alyssa85]

The answer is Yes to both questions

 It will be a fair count

Thank you very much for your answers.

May I ask when are the results estimated to be published? During the night of the 23?

Yes. It's being counted council by council and some councils are quicker than others. The polls close at 10 p.m. and the first results should start coming in at about 1:30 a.m. And a picture will be built up as the night goes on. It's usually the northern councils that declare first - and there are a few known eurosceptic areas there - so we should be able to tell by whether they've exceeded expectations or underperformed them, as to how the whole country will go.

[countryfree]

Leave campaigners are concerned that a massive tax payer-funded push to register more than one million young people to vote will drastically alter the country’s European Union (EU) referendum result.

Of course. They would have preferred all those young people to stay at home and drink beer the way a proper Englishman should. Can you imagine that? All the young well-educated young brits will bother to vote in the coming referendum? That's incredible.

[patronis]

WW3, bring that bitch on. Im ready to see some action. Who's with me?

[mrhelpful]

WW3, bring that bitch on. Im ready to see some action. Who's with me?

Are you dumb?

Why would you want ww3 to even start, just because we are behind these forums typing away. War these days esp with technology is not what you want.

I cant tell if youre being sarcastic or you just have a horrible sense of humor.

[CoinHopper]

WW3, bring that bitch on. Im ready to see some action. Who's with me?

Are you dumb?

Why would you want ww3 to even start, just because we are behind these forums typing away. War these days esp with technology is not what you want.

I cant tell if youre being sarcastic or you just have a horrible sense of humor.

He must be off his medication.

[Wilikon]

Best arguments I have heard to support the leave vote:

https://youtu.be/rNJ05NfM-4Y

This Paul Joseph Watson would have joined the independence revolution in 1776!

I have question for all of you interested by this, why would the vote be honest? Will their be neutral observer to over watch it? Why do you trust the gov (who is against it) to be honest about it? Why can't you even imagine that it may be rigged? Exceptionalism? I know it makes a lot of question... So a last one: and her Majesty, in all of this (to permit you to regroup intellectually from the idea that there could be rigging... I know it's important to be soft with people who have been asleep for a very long time?

Share the video with your friends in the UK, if you have any.

[bryant.coleman]

There's also news of potential conflict between the US and China over the Scarborough Shoal issue west of the Philippine Islands. China aparently are building some sort of base or station over there with a runway already built. US warships are already sailing the waters near the area. This could escalate quickly if both sides are not careful. Japan has already repealed a law not allowing their governemnt from sending troops outside their country.

Scary times ahead.

Right now both the sides are showing some sort of restraint, apart from the verbal diatribes aimed at each other. However, the situation will become unpredictable once either Hitlery or Trump succeeds Obama. If Hitlery becomes the POTUS, then the chances of an armed confrontation in the South China Sea will increase by many times.

[bbc.reporter]

David Cameron will plead for Britain to stay in the EU and help prevent the Continent being ripped apart by another conflict.

Mr Cameron will highlight the UK’s role in bringing peace to Europe as he hits the referendum campaign trail.

Both the Prime Minister and his Brexit -backing Tory rival Boris Johnson make speeches this morning in the countdown to the June 23 vote.

Mr Cameron will refer to Britain’s role in “pivotal moments in European history: Blenheim, Trafalgar, Waterloo, our country’s heroism in the Great War and, most of all, our lone stand in 1940”.

He will recall how Winston Churchill “argued passionately for Western Europe to come together, to promote free trade and build institutions which would endure so our continent would never again see such bloodshed”.

He will add: “Either we influence Europe, or it influences us. And if things go wrong in Europe, let’s not pretend we can be immune from consequences.”

Mr Cameron believes UK leadership as an EU member is necessary to help avoid future conflict in Europe and he will ask: “Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt?”


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

There's also news of potential conflict between the US and China over the Scarborough Shoal issue west of the Philippine Islands. China aparently are building some sort of base or station over there with a runway already built. US warships are already sailing the waters near the area. This could escalate quickly if both sides are not careful. Japan has already repealed a law not allowing their governemnt from sending troops outside their country.

Scary times ahead.

Seems you were sleeping for atleast the last decade:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea

I'm aware of that, it's been going on for a long time. But have you recently read that China constructed an airport in the disputed area? An airport really? They must want to start something. Only recently that there has been movement in the area.

[bbc.reporter]

There's also news of potential conflict between the US and China over the Scarborough Shoal issue west of the Philippine Islands. China aparently are building some sort of base or station over there with a runway already built. US warships are already sailing the waters near the area. This could escalate quickly if both sides are not careful. Japan has already repealed a law not allowing their governemnt from sending troops outside their country.

Scary times ahead.

Right now both the sides are showing some sort of restraint, apart from the verbal diatribes aimed at each other. However, the situation will become unpredictable once either Hitlery or Trump succeeds Obama. If Hitlery becomes the POTUS, then the chances of an armed confrontation in the South China Sea will increase by many times.

Hitlery must lose then. But is Trump any better?

[criptix]

David Cameron will plead for Britain to stay in the EU and help prevent the Continent being ripped apart by another conflict.

Mr Cameron will highlight the UK’s role in bringing peace to Europe as he hits the referendum campaign trail.

Both the Prime Minister and his Brexit -backing Tory rival Boris Johnson make speeches this morning in the countdown to the June 23 vote.

Mr Cameron will refer to Britain’s role in “pivotal moments in European history: Blenheim, Trafalgar, Waterloo, our country’s heroism in the Great War and, most of all, our lone stand in 1940”.

He will recall how Winston Churchill “argued passionately for Western Europe to come together, to promote free trade and build institutions which would endure so our continent would never again see such bloodshed”.

He will add: “Either we influence Europe, or it influences us. And if things go wrong in Europe, let’s not pretend we can be immune from consequences.”

Mr Cameron believes UK leadership as an EU member is necessary to help avoid future conflict in Europe and he will ask: “Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt?”


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

There's also news of potential conflict between the US and China over the Scarborough Shoal issue west of the Philippine Islands. China aparently are building some sort of base or station over there with a runway already built. US warships are already sailing the waters near the area. This could escalate quickly if both sides are not careful. Japan has already repealed a law not allowing their governemnt from sending troops outside their country.

Scary times ahead.

Seems you were sleeping for atleast the last decade:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea

I'm aware of that, it's been going on for a long time. But have you recently read that China constructed an airport in the disputed area? An airport really? They must want to start something. Only recently that there has been movement in the area.

It is more a military base with an airfield then an airport, but yes that too is several years old

Chinese bully want to show his might ;(

[patronis]

WW3, bring that bitch on. Im ready to see some action. Who's with me?

Are you dumb?

Why would you want ww3 to even start, just because we are behind these forums typing away. War these days esp with technology is not what you want.

I cant tell if youre being sarcastic or you just have a horrible sense of humor.

It was a bit of both and I was drunk like a moose when I posted that. But as long as WW3 stays away from the USA, say for example happens in Russia, and the middle east I'd enjoy watching the Fox news coverage.

[Wilikon]

WW3, bring that bitch on. Im ready to see some action. Who's with me?

Are you dumb?

Why would you want ww3 to even start, just because we are behind these forums typing away. War these days esp with technology is not what you want.

I cant tell if youre being sarcastic or you just have a horrible sense of humor.

It was a bit of both and I was drunk like a moose when I posted that. But as long as WW3 stays away from the USA, say for example happens in Russia, and the middle east I'd enjoy watching the Fox news coverage.

"If an atomic world war happens, I'll fly far, far away to...?"

[patronis]

WW3, bring that bitch on. Im ready to see some action. Who's with me?

Are you dumb?

Why would you want ww3 to even start, just because we are behind these forums typing away. War these days esp with technology is not what you want.

I cant tell if youre being sarcastic or you just have a horrible sense of humor.

It was a bit of both and I was drunk like a moose when I posted that. But as long as WW3 stays away from the USA, say for example happens in Russia, and the middle east I'd enjoy watching the Fox news coverage.

"If an atomic world war happens, I'll fly far, far away to...?"

Mars? I'll come as long as we have a feed to Fox news.

[Wilikon]

WW3, bring that bitch on. Im ready to see some action. Who's with me?

Are you dumb?

Why would you want ww3 to even start, just because we are behind these forums typing away. War these days esp with technology is not what you want.

I cant tell if youre being sarcastic or you just have a horrible sense of humor.

It was a bit of both and I was drunk like a moose when I posted that. But as long as WW3 stays away from the USA, say for example happens in Russia, and the middle east I'd enjoy watching the Fox news coverage.

"If an atomic world war happens, I'll fly far, far away to...?"

Mars? I'll come as long as we have a feed to Fox news.

Fox News Channel Live feed from Mars..

[popcorn1]

I hope we Brexit..We import more than we export slap taxes on our goods and we slap taxes on your goods..Now if we refuse to buy your products and make them our selves WHAT YOU GOING TO DO..
Plus it will be EU countries that will collapse we wont be buying your products that helps your nation

Once Britain leaves they all will break up..Then maybe we get back together and right new laws for Europe..But then again Britain will be that great we wont need too..
WHAT YOU GOING TO DO WE HAVE NUKES..You want to trade yes or no..If no you loose out plenty of people want our products around the world ..WE HAVE THE ROYAL STAMP OF APPROVAL..Never forget that..
PEOPLE WANT BRITISH PRODUCTS..SCREAMING OUT FOR IT TO BE BRITISH..
                            ROYAL STAMP OF APPROVAL
We will make our country great..
We pay 350 million plenty of people saying it's a lie because of the rebate..
well just say i give you 350 million and you spend 150 million giving it us back by telling us how we spend the 150 million..it's still giving 350 million so someone can tell us how we spend it..

So we loose out on 150 million never to see it again we see nothing out of this 150 million that's to give to the EU just to be in it..
And the other 150 million rebate gets spent on how they see fit not Britain..
Now we might need hospital equipment but the EU says no we will spend the 150 million on cleaning beaches..
So really we do give them 350 million a week..

PLUS even if it was only the 150 million WHY people saying it's only 150 million a week
fuck me even that's a lot to give away when our nhs is going down the pan plus immigration is so high it's not good for our natives..
If your parents are born in the UK no matter what colour you are your a native

[Masha Sha]

One sure thing it's cool that Cameron is doing a referendum on this matter. Why does the European Union only pretend to be democratic and never asks the people their opinions? Yes sometimes they do but it's just for the show as the leader, clairvoyant and benevolent apparatchiks know what is best for the people... So if they don't vote the proper or selected way it's discarded. I mean if the uk can do it everybody should at least be consulted, and not only on such a crucial matter but on more mundane things...

It's so common in the US, I think you all heard about Colorado for example and the principle of nullification... At least 50% of those that vote for or against are happy plus those who didn't care to vote aren't too disturbed. The problem in the us is the centralization attempt at the federal level like the traitor Obama wants to have the same utopia everywhere (transgender in Mormons toilets... Omg, or like Boykin (delta force founder said....)). You know gambling is legal in Vegas and not in other states or dry town... It's called granularity, it's the opposite of conformism (or real diversity, not like the fake one that flotus supports).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy#Electronic_direct_democracy Is the future

Anyway referendums increase market volatility... And it's a good thing!!!

[Racey]

Pound falls as polls indicate more support for Brexit

Very good, the pound in my pocket is worth next to nothing anyhow, I hope its freaking hurting at the top.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36458933

[Wilikon]

Pound falls as polls indicate more support for Brexit

Very good, the pound in my pocket is worth next to nothing anyhow, I hope its freaking hurting at the top.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36458933

Show the face of the european president and ask around you when they voted for him...

[Racey]

Pound falls as polls indicate more support for Brexit

Very good, the pound in my pocket is worth next to nothing anyhow, I hope its freaking hurting at the top.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36458933

Show the face of the european president and ask around you when they voted for him...

None of us voted for power mad Junker, he was placed there, to do the bidding for big biz and all the rest of the scheming thieves.
Plus he is pushing all Europe's leaders for TTIP to go through asap.

[Wilikon]

Pound falls as polls indicate more support for Brexit

Very good, the pound in my pocket is worth next to nothing anyhow, I hope its freaking hurting at the top.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36458933

Show the face of the european president and ask around you when they voted for him...

None of us voted for power mad Junker, he was placed there, to do the bidding for big biz and all the rest of the scheming thieves.
Plus he is pushing all Europe's leaders for TTIP to go through asap.

Exactly why you should massively share his face and ask who voted for him. Just in case.

[popcorn1]

Pound falls as polls indicate more support for Brexit

Very good, the pound in my pocket is worth next to nothing anyhow, I hope its freaking hurting at the top.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36458933

Because the EU destroys the competition ..Now instead of having 50 different makes of phones we only have 10 brands if that..So less competition ..So we pay what they demand..
All sorts of products this applies too..The super rich get together tell the politicians what products to sell
so less chance of other countries brands getting on our markets..
So instead of trading with the whole world which will bring products down in price and many many different brands of the same product they stick to there friends products and sell them to you and I..

We are run by super rich businesses that tell our politicians what to do well the politicians we never voted for what to do for a fee of course..

What's the point getting paid 400 pounds a week to work if your rent food and energy cost 350 pounds
a week..Your left with 50 pounds to spend on what ever and how far will 50 pounds go if got children..

The price of food as gone sky high compared to wages
The price of a roof over your head as gone sky high compared to wages
To see a doctor takes 2 weeks for an appointment..
School education as gone piss poor
police gone piss poor not as many on patrol..
Got to buy bottled water because drinking the water gives you a bad stomach..

Now if the pound goes down WATCH all the other currencies will go way down compared to the pound..
just give it time and watch they can try manipulate the pound but they will loose billions of there own money if they try...

We all trade on exchanges we know what these whales do...
YOU WANT TO MESS WITH THE UK..Then it will be you that looses..

WE ARE THE FUCKIN BUYERS AND THE BUYERS HAVE CONTROL ALWAYS..
REMEMBER IF YOU BUY IT'S YOU THAT SAYS NO OR YES..
So slap a tax on your product that you want to sell the uk
AND WE WILL TELL YOU TO FUCK OFF WE WILL GO ELSE WHERE..

What has Europe got that so special that we cannot buy it else where..
And as for cars we will make our own type of new electric cars..Man we can open up a factory in 2 weeks with 750 million saved from the EU..and sell our new cars to the rest of the world..

TO THE JAPS TAKE YOUR CARS AND FUCK OFF

And also these big companies don't pay there taxes so we gain nothing but taxing the poor workers money..

[popcorn1]

What will happen when MR Trump wins he said he will be pulling out of Europe to concentrate on the
USA..So less American money in Europe..
To the Young you might think you know it all but you fucking don't i was once 18 and thought i knew it all..Remember who pays for your flights..YES MUMMY AND DADDY..And most mums and dads want
out..So what a flight goes up 50 quid your going on holiday 50 pounds added is nothing to your rich mum and dad..But they wont be rich if you decide to stay..

Look at France they are having a terrible time in the EU.. do you think the French people will say it's
ok for the uk to have all these special treatments and we get nothing..
The EU is failing and the uk will end up paying even more money to these none voted politicians..

Nigel Farage most people don't like him I like him but most people hate him call him a raciest just like trumps getting now..
Now here is the proof..Nigel Farage is hated that much how did he become an EU politician..
because the majority would never vote for him to become a politician..
Now it proves that they are unelected politicians..
Also why would someone give up his EU wage if all was good he could lick ass and make millions
He sees what it will do to his country and it's people..A TRUE BRIT...
Not like the rest of the EU staff on the pay roll MONEY GRABBING FUCKERS..

Look at the food in the uk wasted because of the EU..Loads of fruit veg because of shape and size..
Why not give it to schools for the kids dinners takes the price of the school meals budget down..

To big business THIS IS HOW IT IS..You stay with the same deal we have now or we tell you to go else where..WE WILL NOT PAY YOUR TAXES BECAUSE WERE OUT OF THE EU..

We have a 2 years to sort our affairs out when we vote out..THIS IS THE RULE..

1. the first week we leave you decide to stay with the UK to do business it's a yes or no if you decide to leave that's it we will buy no more off your company again.
Then we ether make our own same product or buy of another companies product and we will get a better deal if we go else where..
Now remember we can make what we like as long as no patent on your product..
and we can invent to put a patent on a product..
Now companies do you want to deal or do you want to loose billions in sales.
your company will suffer..And another thing you ever threaten my country with taxes again you will never sell a sausage in our lands again.
AM THE FUCKING BUYER..AND I HAVE THE POWER NOT YOU I WILL GO ELSE WHERE BYE..

Makes me chuckle.. companies we just stop buying your product and you collapse..
And there be 10 more just like you waiting to sell or set up the same company as you..

YOU HAVE 1 WEEK TO DECIDE IF YOU STAY WITH BRITAIN TO DO BUSINESS..
Once you pull out the Uk you will never get back on our market..
Rather drive around in a 3 wheel robin than BMW telling my country what to do..
You want to carry on selling here then keep your mouth shut by not even mentioning taxes
If you try your company will no longer sell in the Uk..

END OF MEETING ..You will be getting told this ..FACT..
1000s of companies who do the same as everyone else do you want to be the one that sells to a country yes or no because there cueing up to sell to the uk..

NOW WAR..
WE ARE BRITISH WITH NUKES WHO WANTS TO FUCK WITH US..
SO WHY PAY THE EU 150 MILLION FOR PROTECTION THEN ANOTHER 150 MILLION TO TELL US HOW TO SPEND THIS MONEY....

When mr trump wins we will do great deals with each other Smart deals
See learning how to deal with people..Thanks to MR Trump..NO NOT STUPID DEALS SMART DEALS
OUR LEADERS DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL..
 
DON'T EVER THREATEN BRITAIN..Who do you think you are YOUR A FUCKING COMPANY THREATENING A COUNTRY..WE DO THE DEAL OR FUCK OFF







 

[bryant.coleman]

Pound falls as polls indicate more support for Brexit

Very good, the pound in my pocket is worth next to nothing anyhow, I hope its freaking hurting at the top.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36458933

Jokes aside... that YouGov poll was very significant. Leave at 45% and remain at 41%. Never before the Leave camp enjoyed such a margin (4%).



The Scots and the Irish are firmly in favor of Remain, while Wales and England is trending Leave.

[popcorn1]

I always said big companies can hold a nation to ransom..
Do you see what big companies are trying to do to Britain they are trying to hold us to ransom by telling a nation they will pull there business out so we will loose workers so your country will collapse

Now if you don't call that holding a country to ransom then what is?

TOTAL PROOF HOW BIG COMPANIES ACT..We should be saying well go then if you don't like our terms
BYE..It's you who looses profits..And that new boat that cost a billion quid you can kiss that good bye..

SINCE WHEN DOES A COMPANY THREATEN A COUNTRY
GREAT BRITAIN WE WON 2 WORLD WARS AND WE CRUMBLE WHEN A COMPANY TELLS US WHAT TO DO
A DISGRACE BRITAIN..OR ARE WE?

And i don't call us great Britain we are Britain till we leave then we can be great Britain again..

[Masha Sha]

Pound falls as polls indicate more support for Brexit

Very good, the pound in my pocket is worth next to nothing anyhow, I hope its freaking hurting at the top.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36458933

For me the bbc is a terrorist organization, their support for saville, their hiding and protection of the foreigners who did the Rotherdam massacre (https://youtu.be/fOiUnJVwnDw). So please there are still enough commercial medias in the uk to chose another than this bunch of tax payer leeches and enabler of darkness to illustrate any point you make.

Now about your point on the £ by getting cheaper it makes the exports more competitive all things being equal. However now it's the worldwide financial cities network taking control of all the exchange rates related to the pound. Intrinsic values has no more meaning, the elimination of the weak minds accelerates... Finance in motion, remember the Algos read and listen and they understand (hi).

None of us voted for power mad Junker, he was placed there, to do the bidding for big biz and all the rest of the scheming thieves.
Plus he is pushing all Europe's leaders for TTIP to go through asap.

Most Europeans were trashing the necessary defeat of scamgore and what do they have at home? It could be fun. Wearing my double layer tin foil hat: it all started with the assassination of Paton! Why can't the constitutionless European Union adopt the us constitution? What the fuck, it works. So Europe like Libya, Tunisia, Iraq or what ever third world hell hole will not be able to reap the fruit of the tree of liberty! You know the founder of America did a great job. Look which other constitutional order could survive the federal reserve, bush and Obama on a raw? No other. Another proof and this is one is mighty, what is the inspirational source of the Russian constitution? Heheh you know why? The best only, the terms and words are updated but the spirit is the same (btw in 1801 the us order wasn't that advanced compared to the Russian one) and it explain you the hate of the enemy of the nation state toward Russia...

Dear Popcorn1, are you possessed by the ghost of Churchill? You seem to be a uk firster... If the public water is bad imagine only if they could have fracked the countryside. Thank you for sharing your opinions freely. It's a pleasure to read from you. I learned a lot. Thx! And I agree with you.

On a side note you will see that the round eyes leaderships still didn't learn its lesson. This is why the eastern sea wall must be build to offer the annihilation option of all nations and their people who want to dictate and enslave China, today, tomorrow or in 1000 thousand years. The Shanghai pact will not be servant or enslaved to and by anyone. Your attempts will result in the end of your civilisations.

Mark it, surrender is not an option and all nations deserve INDEPENDENCE.

Or like Concern agat slogan says: every state has right to independance.
https://youtu.be/mb_Z0RUCZpo

How much are you ready to lose to take ours?

[alyssa85]

One sure thing it's cool that Cameron is doing a referendum on this matter.

He likes taking risks - he allowed the Scottish referendum too (to the consternation of the other Europeans, especially the Spanish who were horrified because both the Catalans and Basques want a referendum).

Also - it was down to popular pressure. He knew that if he didn't offer a referendum, some of his voters would peal off to UKIP. By offering a referendum, they switched to him, because he was more likely to form a govt and deliver a referendum than UKIP. This is the benefit of a multi-party system operating within a First Past the Post election system.  It forces changes.

[apollofire]

Its better for all the Europeans to sort their differences and stay united when economy is struggling in many EU nations plus immigration issues

[Masha Sha]

The answer is Yes to both questions - it will be honest and neutral observers will be present. Britain doesn't use voting machines (with software hidden from the observer). We use old-fashioned ballot papers.

I was present once at a count, and it reassured me about how robust the whole process was. The council employees who counted the papers sat at long tables counting the ballots. Standing behind them were observers (such as myself) watching them. They sort them into piles first for each candidate and lots of the observers keep tallies, they are rough tallies, but they usually accord with the final result and if in doubt you can ask for a recount. There were all sorts of observers - every single political party has people there, including all the candidates, plus members of the public. When it came to the spoilt ballots, the returning officer dealt with them one by one. He held each one up so everyone could see and said, either "it's unclear what this one means", or "this one has written the name of the party instead of marking an X, are we agreed it should count towards that party" and so on. Some of the spoilt ballots had rude messages on them, and of course everyone got to see them.

Any member of the public can apply to be an observer, you just have to ask your council in good time.

This referendum will be counted on a council by council basis, so the counts will be small enough that pretty much everything is closely observed. It will be a fair count

https://youtu.be/b3kCfDFu4p8

Maybe it's a good idea to not use closed source software non based on block chain technology... On the video it's impossible to vote for sanders. However there seems to be issues with the recent paper vote in Austria...

May I ask you your opinion on the vote in Crimea? Or in the eastern part of Ukraine? How to objectively certified the vote? It s funny because in the corporate world there seems to be less problem when shareholders have to vote.

One sure thing it's cool that Cameron is doing a referendum on this matter.

He likes taking risks - he allowed the Scottish referendum too (to the consternation of the other Europeans, especially the Spanish who were horrified because both the Catalans and Basques want a referendum).

Also - it was down to popular pressure. He knew that if he didn't offer a referendum, some of his voters would peal off to UKIP. By offering a referendum, they switched to him, because he was more likely to form a govt and deliver a referendum than UKIP. This is the benefit of a multi-party system operating within a First Past the Post election system.  It forces changes.

That's why he was blackmailed recently? Anyway history will remember him as the pm who let the people vote. It's historic.

It s sad how Europeans and most government members hate this great quote from Wooldrow Wilson:

National aspirations must be respected; people may now be dominated and governed only by their own consent. Self determination is not a mere phrase; it's an imperative principle of action...

You know hdds had to be defragmented, ssd use trim...

[Racey]

Its better for all the Europeans to sort their differences and stay united when economy is struggling in many EU nations plus immigration issues

Britain is still an Island as far back as I can remember , not attached to anything.
But now owned by outsiders, it never used to be that way.

If you watch this video you will not only learn a few things, you will be quite disgusted as to what has happened to this country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYO8Dx1Lmi8

Time to move back me thinks.

[popcorn1]

Masha Sha..It Be very very stupid to attack China or Russia..
Plus i want to trade with both countries BUT there has to be rules..

1.religion can have no part in politics
2.no matter what any human does if it hurts no one and wont affect your life or your children's lives
or anybodies lives then they should be free to be who they want to be?..

Now China and Russia need to except gay people ..
Believe me once you bring the hate down toward gay people i swear the whole world will love your countries even more..
We can trade and move about in each others lands and travel in space together as friends

I want a fight with who makes the best and just place to live and who makes it's people the most happiest..This is the fight i want..NOT BOMBS..
The need to know How to keep a population in check but making sure everyone in your land lives like kings and queens .This is the fight i want..
I believe we can give everyone 500 pounds a week for free even if you already work..
So you earn more money..
Still people will want to get rich not doing much with 500 pounds nowadays..
People seem to think people wont want to work..Yes your right ..
But loads will still work so the can have millions in the bank not 500 pounds..

Now the immigrants can do all the shit work and get paid basic wage but once they been here for 25 years they get the 500 pounds a week
You need to have lived in your country for 25 years before you can get the 500 pounds a week..
So if your born in your country you get free education free health care and when you reach 22 you get the 500 pounds a week..BUT You have had to do your schooling in your country and stayed the whole 22 years to be entitled for the money..

Robots not far away farmers wont need pickers any more soon robot to do the work
UBER driveless cars vans trucks..Masses out of work..

It's only around the corner

Before anyone asks ..YES I DO SMOKE WEED
I think i make sense anyways

[alyssa85]

Turns out that JP MOrgan and Goldman Sachs are funding the Remain campaign:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/official-pro-european-union-campaign-is-part-funded-by-goldman-s/

[Racey]

Turns out that JP MOrgan and Goldman Sachs are funding the Remain campaign:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/official-pro-european-union-campaign-is-part-funded-by-goldman-s/

This was news a few weeks ago, they have no business funding the in campaign.
Also did you know Morgan is now the paymaster for all the local post offices in the UK.

If you have a post office payment card, he knows exactly what is in your account.

[bryant.coleman]

Its better for all the Europeans to sort their differences and stay united when economy is struggling in many EU nations plus immigration issues

There are two major reasons for the weak economy, and both are linked to the European Union policies. The first one is the Greek crisis. The EU allowed Greek oligarchs to loot the treasury, and then to move their funds to tax havens such as London and Channel Islands. The second one is the migrant crisis, which was solely resulted from an irresponsible statement made by Angela Merkel.

[patronis]

So when is this brexit supposed to happen?

[Buffer Overflow]

Personally I think the EU will fall apart eventually either way we vote, so everyone will have to leave in the end.

So may as well vote leave now and be a step ahead of everyone else.

[popcorn1]

Leave the EU and we’ll make your lives a misery.’ Jean-Claude Juncker, the Brussels bureaucrat known as a drunkard, compared the UK to pussies – saying he would treat Britons like cats that had their fur stroked the wrong way.

BRING IT ON MOTHERFUCKER WE WILL TEAR YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF OLD TWAT

[Racey]

Leave the EU and we’ll make your lives a misery.’ Jean-Claude Juncker, the Brussels bureaucrat known as a drunkard, compared the UK to pussies – saying he would treat Britons like cats that had their fur stroked the wrong way.

BRING IT ON MOTHERFUCKER WE WILL TEAR YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF OLD TWAT

This will make you feel worse if you got the time to read it, its like reading a Nazi manifesto for all citizens.


https://ec.europa.eu/priorities/sites/beta-political/files/5-presidents-report_en.pdf

[popcorn1]

Leave the EU and we’ll make your lives a misery.’ Jean-Claude Juncker, the Brussels bureaucrat known as a drunkard, compared the UK to pussies – saying he would treat Britons like cats that had their fur stroked the wrong way.

BRING IT ON MOTHERFUCKER WE WILL TEAR YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF OLD TWAT

This will make you feel worse if you got the time to read it, its like reading a Nazi manifesto for all citizens.


https://ec.europa.eu/priorities/sites/beta-political/files/5-presidents-report_en.pdf

Thanks bud..I always got time if it affects my country..reading right now thanks..I suppose i will be like TAZ after reading this..

[s1lverbox]

David Cameron will plead for Britain to stay in the EU and help prevent the Continent being ripped apart by another conflict.

Mr Cameron will highlight the UK’s role in bringing peace to Europe as he hits the referendum campaign trail.

Both the Prime Minister and his Brexit -backing Tory rival Boris Johnson make speeches this morning in the countdown to the June 23 vote.

Mr Cameron will refer to Britain’s role in “pivotal moments in European history: Blenheim, Trafalgar, Waterloo, our country’s heroism in the Great War and, most of all, our lone stand in 1940”.

He will recall how Winston Churchill “argued passionately for Western Europe to come together, to promote free trade and build institutions which would endure so our continent would never again see such bloodshed”.

He will add: “Either we influence Europe, or it influences us. And if things go wrong in Europe, let’s not pretend we can be immune from consequences.”

Mr Cameron believes UK leadership as an EU member is necessary to help avoid future conflict in Europe and he will ask: “Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt?”


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

In meantime he spitting on imigration. good luck, hope brexit will happen. Air will be more clear

[mindrust]

Everything can trigger world war iii at the moment. It is almost inevitable anyway...

World economy is in a bad shape. USA is losing in Middle East and they couldn't overthrow Assad.

Russia/China/Iran getting stronger and stronger and nobody can do nothing.

Either USA will go away quietly or there will be blood.

[popovicbit]

One part of me wants to see a 'Brexit' just to see what will happen....like, its been since WWll since anything exciting has gone on in Europe

[popcorn1]

Leave the EU and we’ll make your lives a misery.’ Jean-Claude Juncker, the Brussels bureaucrat known as a drunkard, compared the UK to pussies – saying he would treat Britons like cats that had their fur stroked the wrong way.

BRING IT ON MOTHERFUCKER WE WILL TEAR YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF OLD TWAT

This will make you feel worse if you got the time to read it, its like reading a Nazi manifesto for all citizens.


https://ec.europa.eu/priorities/sites/beta-political/files/5-presidents-report_en.pdf

So there trying to build a united states of Europe..And just like Americas system it will be rigged to death..

Britain will be no more if we stay..The EU saying if other countries don't do to well other countries must support them..So what happens to my gran children in the future how do they get a job or a house..if you let all these people in because the EU told us we have to take them because there country not doing to well..O

And plus the 4 year wait for benefits..Immigrants need to have worked 4 years before they can claim benefits..Do you know what will happen they will make it law that everyone will have to do this even the natives..

'
OUT OUT OUT ..DO WE WANT TO BE RUN BY RICH ELITES..NO THANKS

[Racey]

Leave the EU and we’ll make your lives a misery.’ Jean-Claude Juncker, the Brussels bureaucrat known as a drunkard, compared the UK to pussies – saying he would treat Britons like cats that had their fur stroked the wrong way.

BRING IT ON MOTHERFUCKER WE WILL TEAR YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF OLD TWAT

This will make you feel worse if you got the time to read it, its like reading a Nazi manifesto for all citizens.


https://ec.europa.eu/priorities/sites/beta-political/files/5-presidents-report_en.pdf

So there trying to build a united states of Europe..And just like Americas system it will be rigged to death..

Britain will be no more if we stay..The EU saying if other countries don't do to well other countries must support them..So what happens to my gran children in the future how do they get a job or a house..if you let all these people in because the EU told us we have to take them because there country not doing to well..O

And plus the 4 year wait for benefits..Immigrants need to have worked 4 years before they can claim benefits..Do you know what will happen they will make it law that everyone will have to do this even the natives..

'
OUT OUT OUT ..DO WE WANT TO BE RUN BY RICH ELITES..NO THANKS

I am glad you read it, made me even more determined to vote out.
We need to be free.

There are three things in the world that deserve no mercy, hypocrisy, fraud, and tyranny. Frederick William Robertson

 

[Wilikon]

‘Remarkable’ 10-Point Lead For Brexit In Shock New Poll

The Brexit campaign to lead Britain out of the European Union (EU) has opened up a 10-point lead over Remain campaigners, a “remarkable” new poll has revealed.



The ORB International poll – which has deviated from the criticised “random digit dial” methodology and used 2,000 online respondents instead – shows a 55-point turnout for Leave, with 45 per cent support for Remain.

Of all respondents, 53 per cent said they’d vote to Leave, with just 46 per cent opting to stay. But when eliminating those who have said they won’t, or are unlikely to vote, the margin changes to 55 against 45 points.

Older and working class voters are more likely to vote to leave, according to the ORB poll for the Independent. Stunningly, only Scotland would have a majority for Remain (62 against 38) with even London opting to Leave the EU (51 against 49). When adjusted for turnout in London, “only 44 per cent back staying in the EU and 56 per cent favour voting to leave”.

A majority of private sector employees would choose to Leave, with a majority of public sector workers aiming to stay.

Nearly half of Labour’s voters (42 per cent) say they’ll vote to Leave, with Brexit support from the Conservative Party at 61 per cent, suggesting the Prime Minister would not have support from his own party after the referendum.

    "It's coming home, it's coming home, it's coming!" #euref pic.twitter.com/6atGWus0SM

    — Raheem Kassam (@RaheemKassam) June 10, 2016

While 55 per cent of people think leaving the European Union would pose “some risk”, many are still willing to take the chance. Just 26 per cent of voters say there would be “a great deal of risk”, perhaps a sign that the government and the Remain campaign’s “Project Fear” is not working.

In fact most UK voters believe the campaign has been “too negative”, with 69 per cent saying so.

The poll also reveals that women more than men are likely to vote to Leave, with 53 per cent stumping for Leave, a figure that goes down to 47 per cent amongst men.

Over one in three Black or Ethnic Minority voters say they’ll vote to Leave, with around one in three Muslims sharing the view, and 66 per cent of Jewish voters saying they’d vote to Leave too.

The polling suggests it is also the richest in society who would opt to stay, perhaps confirming the Leave campaign line that the European Union serves the richest best.



http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/10/remarkable-10-point-lead-brexit-shock-new-poll/

[Lethn]

So when is this brexit supposed to happen?

23rd June

Even the left wing newspapers are reporting the polling as very close and the results all seem to be mixed, I would keep a close eye on what's happening as this and the block halving will definitely affect the Bitcoin price.

[bryant.coleman]

23rd June

Even the left wing newspapers are reporting the polling as very close and the results all seem to be mixed, I would keep a close eye on what's happening as this and the block halving will definitely affect the Bitcoin price.

If Brexit occurs, then the stock markets will crash and the exchange rates for BTC may surge (but not by much). Still don't know what effect will it have on the British users. The UKP will get devalued by 10% or 20% against the United States Dollar, and this can negatively affect Bitcoin, if the volumes from the UK are considerable.

[Masha Sha]

23rd June

Even the left wing newspapers are reporting the polling as very close and the results all seem to be mixed, I would keep a close eye on what's happening as this and the block halving will definitely affect the Bitcoin price.

If Brexit occurs, then the stock markets will crash and the exchange rates for BTC may surge (but not by much). Still don't know what effect will it have on the British users. The UKP will get devalued by 10% or 20% against the United States Dollar, and this can negatively affect Bitcoin, if the volumes from the UK are considerable.

There are sodomites like Sorros who believe to be able influence $\x. The truth The federal reserve part of the imperial messianic war machine can stop all movements with one click of a button and induce the ruins of all opposing forces, including ICBC, CCBC and ABC combined.what are a few trillions in a quadrillion credit economy? Rounding errors.

There is nothing worst in life than to be dominated by Europeans commissioners who think like warren... The law the law the law... Same people as isis. The only difference is that at least the shaaree ha guys believe that their law is from divine intervention and immutable since the time of the prophet and forever...

[xht]

Britain’s Top Tabloid, The Sun, Urges Exit From European Union


LONDON — Rupert Murdoch’s Sun tabloid, Britain’s most popular, came out on Tuesday in favor of a British exit from the European Union, as a series of opinion polls suggested that the campaign to leave the bloc is picking up support, inducing anxiety in the financial markets and in No. 10 Downing Street.

The country will decide the issue in a referendum on June 23, and there is a growing sense on both sides that the early confidence of those who support remaining in the European Union has given way to recognition that the vote could go either way, with historic if hard-to-predict consequences for Britain and the Continent.

Measuring public opinion has been difficult, both because of problems plaguing pollsters everywhere and because there is no sure way to compare this referendum with previous votes. Although different polls using different methodologies have found widely varying results, established pollsters have generally given the edge to those favoring remaining in the bloc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/world/europe/britains-top-tabloid-urges-exit-from-european-union.html

[Masha Sha]

Brexit could lead to a rebirth of the European Union. This time with a democratic constitution, where people are consulted and more federalism. Any event can lead to positive outcomes with the right attitude.

[DooMAD]

The only reason anyone in the tory party gives a shit about the referendum is because of their puppet-masters in the finance sector.  Hameron and Gideon's bankster buddies clearly profit by being in the EU, whereas Gove and Boris must move in different circles and their oligarch overseers feel they could turn a profit from being out of the EU.  Therefore, no one in the Tory party has a valid opinion, just orders from on high.  In or out, there's no real victory.  Some bankster scum somewhere will be getting what they want.

Personally, I'm voting remain.  I don't trust the tories with issues like workers/civil/human rights and would rather have a layer of Eurocrats in the way to stop the tories turning this country into some sort of fascist police state, which, let's face it, they would in a heartbeat given the opportunity.  They're already trying to cripple the House of Lords and take away some of their clout because they keep rejecting tory plans to screw people over.  It seems clear that the ultimate goal is more authoritarianism and more of the austerity lie, so the more hurdles standing in their way of achieving that, the better.  Also, fuck Rupert Murdoch and everything he stands for.  But I suspect, much like the 'Alternative Vote' referendum a few years back, the British public will make another stupid choice and shoot themselves in the foot again.

'
OUT OUT OUT ..DO WE WANT TO BE RUN BY RICH ELITES..NO THANKS

Good luck with that.  Gonna happen either way, no matter how you vote.  You don't honestly think they'd leave something like that up to the public, do you?

[popcorn1]

The only reason anyone in the tory party gives a shit about the referendum is because of their puppet-masters in the finance sector.  Hameron and Gideon's bankster buddies clearly profit by being in the EU, whereas Gove and Boris must move in different circles and their oligarch overseers feel they could turn a profit from being out of the EU.  Therefore, no one in the Tory party has a valid opinion, just orders from on high.  In or out, there's no real victory.  Some bankster scum somewhere will be getting what they want.

Personally, I'm voting remain.  I don't trust the tories with issues like workers/civil/human rights and would rather have a layer of Eurocrats in the way to stop the tories turning this country into some sort of fascist police state, which, let's face it, they would in a heartbeat given the opportunity.  They're already trying to cripple the House of Lords and take away some of their clout because they keep rejecting tory plans to screw people over.  It seems clear that the ultimate goal is more authoritarianism and more of the austerity lie, so the more hurdles standing in their way of achieving that, the better.  Also, fuck Rupert Murdoch and everything he stands for.  But I suspect, much like the 'Alternative Vote' referendum a few years back, the British public will make another stupid choice and shoot themselves in the foot again.

'
OUT OUT OUT ..DO WE WANT TO BE RUN BY RICH ELITES..NO THANKS

Good luck with that.  Gonna happen either way, no matter how you vote.  You don't honestly think they'd leave something like that up to the public, do you?

You don't see the future I do?..Brussels will be WASHINGTON..UK will be 1 of it's states?
all orders will be given from Brussels then we will have a little voice like a state gets in the USA..

Also what happens when farmers do this all over the EU..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIpelnM1NBE..

The UK will be over run with poor migrants ..Yes might be good staying in the EU for lets say 4 or 5 years ..But then it will hit you hard..

Makes no difference to me in or out my family will all be good i got my nest egg..
But i see the future of the EU..WE BRITAIN COULD BE END UP LIKE    DETROIT CITY..What a shit hole?..WE WILL HAVE NO SAY SO IN THE FUTURE..

But I am that pissed at people wanting to stay part of me wants you to stay ..SO I CAN HAVE A GOOD CHUCKLE WHEN IT ALL GOES WRONG
AND IT WOULD SERVE YOU RIGHT FOR THINKING ABOUT THE NOW AND NOT THE TOMORROW..

Your rights will be gone to Brussels ..You will have right of course just like a state in the USA..But the major decisions will come from Brussels just like Washington DC..

Now we all know Washington DC is rigged to death..To favour the friends and family of the politicians..

SO STAY IN THE EU..I want out..But if we remain i will be pissing myself laughing 2 years later when the shit hits the fan..

Robots will do many many jobs soon..driveless cars UBER ..

I want out because it will be like the USA..And i think there Politics is shit..My mum will be leader then me uncle joe will be leader then me cousin will be leader..THIS IS THE USA POLITICS..
Now how many states in the USA are doing really well compared to all of the other states?

Robots Are Stealing Your Job - YouTube
Video for robots doing jobs▶ 2:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMZDgvLRObE

Also i forgot to mention we will be over run with ISLAM

[Wilikon]

The only reason anyone in the tory party gives a shit about the referendum is because of their puppet-masters in the finance sector.  Hameron and Gideon's bankster buddies clearly profit by being in the EU, whereas Gove and Boris must move in different circles and their oligarch overseers feel they could turn a profit from being out of the EU.  Therefore, no one in the Tory party has a valid opinion, just orders from on high.  In or out, there's no real victory.  Some bankster scum somewhere will be getting what they want.

Personally, I'm voting remain.  I don't trust the tories with issues like workers/civil/human rights and would rather have a layer of Eurocrats in the way to stop the tories turning this country into some sort of fascist police state, which, let's face it, they would in a heartbeat given the opportunity.  They're already trying to cripple the House of Lords and take away some of their clout because they keep rejecting tory plans to screw people over.  It seems clear that the ultimate goal is more authoritarianism and more of the austerity lie, so the more hurdles standing in their way of achieving that, the better.  Also, fuck Rupert Murdoch and everything he stands for.  But I suspect, much like the 'Alternative Vote' referendum a few years back, the British public will make another stupid choice and shoot themselves in the foot again.

'
OUT OUT OUT ..DO WE WANT TO BE RUN BY RICH ELITES..NO THANKS

Good luck with that.  Gonna happen either way, no matter how you vote.  You don't honestly think they'd leave something like that up to the public, do you?

http://heatst.com/politics/everything-the-eu-is-hiding-until-after-the-referendum/

[catch.me.if.you.can]

BREXIT could trigger some terrible things.


- We will not have water

- The rain will stop raining

- Our homes will be torn down and demolished by themselves

- The summer will stop to exist

- The temperature will immediately fall by 30-40 degrees

- The trees will dry

- The fish will leave for other seas

- Rivers and lakes will dry

- The birds will stop singing

- We will not be able to piss standing

- All roads will collapse

- The sun will not ever erupted again

[DooMAD]

The UK will be over run with poor migrants
(...)
Also i forgot to mention we will be over run with ISLAM

Oh, I see, you're one of those Brexit supporters.   

As for Europe making all "the major decisions", that's not how it works:



People should at least make some effort to try to understand what they're about to be voting for.

[popcorn1]

The UK will be over run with poor migrants
(...)
Also i forgot to mention we will be over run with ISLAM

Oh, I see, you're one of those Brexit supporters.    

As for Europe making all "the major decisions", that's not how it works:



People should at least make some effort to try to understand what they're about to be voting for.

 OBAMA   WHAT A SHIT PRESIDENT ..USELESS..
Also crime will go threw the roof the more that enter the more poor there will be..
loads will get tied up in your own home and all your belongings taking from you..
USA they got guns we have not..SO NO PROTECTION?..

YOU WILL REMEMBER THIS POPCORN WAS RIGHT

WE ARE THE BUYING POWER..WE BUY MORE THAN WE SELL...WHAT DON'T YOU GET ABOUT HAVING THE BUYING POWER..WE DON'T BUY THEY SINK..

Look at SAUDI ARABIA ..They have buying power what do they buy? our politicians?
Saudi kill kids and we still deal with them

Also 500 million people we have access to
you mean 200 million the rest are skint to buy our goods..

Man years ago you could go to Spain and spend a pound in spain and come back with the whole shop..that's how far our pound went?

If all the other countries except for a few stay a float where is the 500 million people to sell too?
Plus all the countries doing well will get hit with people wanting a job?

[DooMAD]

The UK will be over run with poor migrants
(...)
Also i forgot to mention we will be over run with ISLAM

Oh, I see, you're one of those Brexit supporters.    

As for Europe making all "the major decisions", that's not how it works:



People should at least make some effort to try to understand what they're about to be voting for.

 OBAMA   WHAT A SHIT PRESIDENT ..USELESS..
Also crime will go threw the roof the more that enter the more poor there will be..
loads will get tied up in your own home and all your belongings taking from you..
USA they got guns we have not..SO NO PROTECTION?..

YOU WILL REMEMBER THIS POPCORN WAS RIGHT

WE ARE THE BUYING POWER..WE BUY MORE THAN WE SELL...WHAT DON'T YOU GET ABOUT HAVING THE BUYING POWER..WE DON'T BUY THEY SINK..

Look at SAUDI ARABIA ..They have buying power what do they buy? our politicians?
Saudi kill kids and we still deal with them

For someone so concerned with migrants, it's odd that I honestly can't tell if English is your native language or not.  Also, many people in the UK are quite pleased with the fact that this isn't a nation full of gun fetishists like the US, so let's not go screwing that up, please.  Our dealings with Saudi Arabia are indeed morally atrocious, but I don't see how leaving the EU will magically prevent our government from continuing to engage in such corruption.  The government continuing to impose the lie of austerity will create more poor people than anything else the world can throw at us.  The vast majority of our problems in this country are self-imposed because greedy idiots voted for this heinous collection of human excrement collectively referred to as the tory party.  But for some reason, other idiots have decided externalise the blame to minorities, migrants and now, the EU itself.  Because the media told them to.  And they obey, like good little slaves.  But minorities, migrants and the EU are not the cause of our problems.

[popcorn1]

The UK will be over run with poor migrants
(...)
Also i forgot to mention we will be over run with ISLAM

Oh, I see, you're one of those Brexit supporters.    

As for Europe making all "the major decisions", that's not how it works:



People should at least make some effort to try to understand what they're about to be voting for.

 OBAMA   WHAT A SHIT PRESIDENT ..USELESS..
Also crime will go threw the roof the more that enter the more poor there will be..
loads will get tied up in your own home and all your belongings taking from you..
USA they got guns we have not..SO NO PROTECTION?..

YOU WILL REMEMBER THIS POPCORN WAS RIGHT

WE ARE THE BUYING POWER..WE BUY MORE THAN WE SELL...WHAT DON'T YOU GET ABOUT HAVING THE BUYING POWER..WE DON'T BUY THEY SINK..

Look at SAUDI ARABIA ..They have buying power what do they buy? our politicians?
Saudi kill kids and we still deal with them

For someone so concerned with migrants, it's odd that I honestly can't tell if English is your native language or not.  Also, many people in the UK are quite pleased with the fact that this isn't a nation full of gun fetishists like the US, so let's not go screwing that up, please.  Our dealings with Saudi Arabia are indeed morally atrocious, but I don't see how leaving the EU will magically prevent our government from continuing to engage in such corruption.  The government continuing to impose the lie of austerity will create more poor people than anything else the world can throw at us.  The vast majority of our problems in this country are self-imposed because greedy idiots voted for this heinous collection of human excrement collectively referred to as the tory party.  But for some reason, other idiots have decided externalise the blame to minorities, migrants and now, the EU itself.  Because the media told them to.  And they obey, like good little slaves.  But minorities, migrants and the EU are not the cause of our problems.

2 week wait for an appointment..my wife wanted a filling in her tooth..still waiting for them to finish the job 1 month later..i went private and was done in 1 day..i say my wife it's me girlfriend..
Do you live on a council estate? I DO..My life was on the streets i know what happening to the poor
MOST OF MY COUSINS ARE ON THE DOLE..
people loosing there homes faster than anything and migrants moving in FACT..
prisons full of Islam..
go to Leeds loads of unemployed Muslims why bring more in when they could have a job?
2nd gen muslims from the uk why invite more in..
Because if the rich chocker a city..the land owners gain railways gain electric companies gain..
the ones on shit wages will get moved out plus house prices go up and up because someone will always have that little bit more than you..so 20 pounds it goes up..
Then someone will say i will pay 40 pounds more give me the house..
YOU STAY AND YOU WILL PAY..

LAST TIME I MENTION BREXIT BECAUSE I HOPE WE LEAVE..
But if we don't watch what will happen..
I be saving to move to NEW ZEALAND..BUILDER SO ALWAYS GET A JOB..
well i say save i could go tomorrow But daughter doing her education and she top sets in everything she studies..She wants to study law..so i not doing nothing till she well educated?

And no never had a chance at an education mum dad always having murder..
as you can tell by my spelling..but no need to spell if a builder
Sorry i do need to spell when i order a bacon butty

[popcorn1]

also if we stay it drives wages down keeps them the same for years..But as time keeps going on the price will go up and up for food..
So are you saying you can buy more food with the money you make now?

What you don't know is the price of food as gone up but electrical equipment gone down but the electrical equipment only last 2 to 3 years before it blows up..
years ago you bought a tv very expensive but it would last for 15 years..Now they last how long?..

Now the point is you need food you don't need a tv..How many food banks around the uk?..
Now if we put wages up what do you think all these foreign companies will do..
YES MOVE TO MEXICO ..Or somewhere they can pay lower wages..

Ford transit moved so they could pay lower wages..
I want a quality of life not being rich..Like this I went to Alton towers Muslims pointing my daughter out because she wearing a football kit..Now i felt like i was in Pakistan not England..
Sorry it was the lake district not Alton towers ..But ever been to Alton towers there every where
PAKISTAN..Now if i wanted to live in Pakistan i would fucking move there .. And today on the news a muslim preacher on a bbc interview says women should be beat if they don't obey..

don't worry someone will put it on youtube in the next day or so..

I KNOW WE CAN MAKE A BETTER BRITAIN...PLUS I KNOW THEY WILL KEEP SELLING TO THE UK
IF THEY DON'T THEY SINK..

ICELAND
SWITZERLAND
Both not in the EU and doing well better than the UK..PLUS Iceland went threw a recession they out of it and doing great..We are still paying for the recession..
So what your saying is Iceland with 350k people can do better than the uk?.YES THEY ARE DOING.
So what is wrong with British people..WE MUST BE FUCKING USELESS THAT IS WHAT'S
WRONG??  or is it more like we are getting ripped off by WHO? BY FUCKING SOMEBODY?

Yes want to be rich but what i mean i would have less wages if i could walk around my country like it is my country
 MORE LIKE THE MIDDLE EAST
soon sharia law..
YOU SAY NO IT WONT..GO AND ASK THE JEWS IF THEY THOUGHT THE SAME WHEN CHRISTIANS FIRST STARTED OUT?..No they wont take over..
NOW IT'S THE MUSLIMS TURN..SHARIA LAW..ONCE THEY SPREAD NO STOPPING IT..
YOUR COUNTRY WILL BE NO MORE..

PLUS JESUS WAS FROM ARAB LANDS ..JUST LIKE THE MUSLIMS..
THE ARABS INVADE OUR LANDS WITH THERE BACKWARD BELIEFS..

3 times Jews Christians muslims..WE ARE IN FOR A SHIT RIDE..WELL THE POOR WILL BE..
IN this day and age not making 450 pounds in the north your doing shit..
the south not making 700 pounds your doing shit?
And all because the price of rent food energy and travel..ALL NOW ZAP YOUR MONEY..
So where is the rest so i can have fun buy my kids things?

[Zebedee23]

A vote for Brexit is a vote against The New World Order!!!!!

[bryant.coleman]

A vote for Brexit is a vote against The New World Order!!!!!

If you want to vote against the New World Order, then vote for exit from the NATO as well. The Brexit will do no good, as long as the United Kingdom maintains its membership with the NATO. Still... I don't think that the British politicians have the balls to conduct such a referendum. They are in favor of remaining as a vassal state of the US forever.

[alyssa85]

A vote for Brexit is a vote against The New World Order!!!!!

Well it is a vote against Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan, both of whom are financing the Remain campaign. Has Big Money ever felt so vulnerable?

[catch.me.if.you.can]

lol

[Elwar]

So, has the media done a good enough job of scaring the old people in Britain in order to get them to vote against Brexit?

I still doubt it will happen even with news stories getting a bit scared about the possibility. Power tends to not decentralize. Only centralize.

[bryant.coleman]

So, has the media done a good enough job of scaring the old people in Britain in order to get them to vote against Brexit?

Even the old people use alternate media sources such as Twitter and FaceBook nowadays. The classical scaremongering tactics are not going to work, I am afraid. Also, it should be remembered that the pensioners as a demographic bloc have suffered more than any other group as a result of the European Union policies.

[Elwar]

And so it ends. The media trying to associate Brexit supporters with terrorists.

Aamir Tahir, 33, who runs a dry-cleaning center about 100 yards from the scene of the attack, said in an interview that a female employee “heard two loud pops. She was in the back, doing the ironing, and heard two loud pops and some shouting. But she kept to her own until she heard the sirens, and when she went outside, there were police everywhere.”

Asked about reports that the assailant said “Britain first,” he said that neither he nor his employee had heard that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/british-member-of-parliament-reported-to-have-been-shot/2016/06/16/a9b988de-33c4-11e6-ab9d-1da2b0f24f93_story.html

[Masha Sha]

And so it ends. The media trying to associate Brexit supporters with terrorists.

Aamir Tahir, 33, who runs a dry-cleaning center about 100 yards from the scene of the attack, said in an interview that a female employee “heard two loud pops. She was in the back, doing the ironing, and heard two loud pops and some shouting. But she kept to her own until she heard the sirens, and when she went outside, there were police everywhere.”

Asked about reports that the assailant said “Britain first,” he said that neither he nor his employee had heard that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/british-member-of-parliament-reported-to-have-been-shot/2016/06/16/a9b988de-33c4-11e6-ab9d-1da2b0f24f93_story.html

Way better than brexit is mediaxit. The best only way to preserve your sanity... You know reading the Pravda has never been a peaceful experience for those in the known... Let the proles have their daily dosage of cerebral massage and plan the John Galt way... Those leftists and Marxist are antslike they are under the control of the queen b. You can't save them. Save yourself. Rememeber they censored and supported the terrorists organization bent on sexually harvesting native British girls... Once upon a time all of those would be swinging from the London bridge for all to see...

[s1lverbox]

Anyone openminded have no issue leave/stay! NWO is real but its gettin rekt recently with people which  wakes up to see this mess.

Have you notice all over world every single thing is failing? Deutche bank fail, switzerland negative interest rates, brexit, french terror attack, brussel terror attack, usa shootout , more to come.


im fucking shocked!

[bryant.coleman]

Have you notice all over world every single thing is failing? Deutche bank fail, switzerland negative interest rates, brexit, french terror attack, brussel terror attack, usa shootout , more to come.  im fucking shocked!

Not everything is failing right now. The negative rates in Switzerland was necessitated by the strong local currency. The Swiss Franc has appreciated against the Euro so much that the exporters are suffering right now. And regarding the terrorist attacks, there is nothing new. The NATO had a chance to wipe out the ISIS, when they were establishing themselves. But they were more interested in toppling Assad.

[Daniel91]

So, has the media done a good enough job of scaring the old people in Britain in order to get them to vote against Brexit?

Even the old people use alternate media sources such as Twitter and FaceBook nowadays. The classical scaremongering tactics are not going to work, I am afraid. Also, it should be remembered that the pensioners as a demographic bloc have suffered more than any other group as a result of the European Union policies.

It's true but still old people mostly use TV as source of information.
So, such people can be scared with such aggressive propaganda from Cameron and mainstream media and vote against Brexit.
More or less, we are all brainwashed by media, or politicians, and trust them because usually is very difficult to find out what is true and what is lie in real life.
Most people don't have time to research facts but choose to trust their leaders, what is sad reality today.
Because of this, I think Cameroon will accomplish his goal and UK will stay in EU.

[catch.me.if.you.can]

[DooMAD]

Pardon my skepticism, but I'm not entirely sure that looks accurate.  Scotland, for example, is nowhere near that opposed to the EU.  I see maps from other sources that look far more balanced on the whole, like this one:



And I found that in an article from the Daily Express, which is basically a shitrag.  Not something I usually consider a source of impartiality, but even that seems more impartial than the sea of red on your map. 

[Wilikon]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/17/exclusive-poll-eu-support-falls-after-jo-cox-murder/86031038/

[Lethn]

Pardon my skepticism, but I'm not entirely sure that looks accurate.  Scotland, for example, is nowhere near that opposed to the EU.  I see maps from other sources that look far more balanced on the whole, like this one:

I should point out, that map is from searches in google for 'Brexit' so that doesn't necessarily mean that it's swinging one way or the other, I do recall reading an article with that map in where some idiot journalist who didn't understand how searching work was trying to imply that though but this could be just people trying to search for information on the EU referendum.

[alyssa85]

Well Leave was leading in the polls prior to the sad death of that Member of Parliament.

We shall have to wait to see if this has affected how people feel. Hopefully voters will separate what happened to Jo Cox from the question being asked on the ballot paper.

[Wilikon]

https://www.theguardian.com/money/blog/2016/jun/18/eu-vote-brexit-working-people-rents-wages

[bryant.coleman]

A LEAVE majority in the Brexit referendum can have far reaching implications. For example, the Scots seems to be overwhelmingly in favor of REMAIN, and they may secede from the United Kingdom if the latter cancels its EU membership. The situation in Northern Ireland is also complex, with the Catholics favoring REMAIN and the protestants favoring LEAVE.

[DooMAD]

2 week wait for an appointment..my wife wanted a filling in her tooth..still waiting for them to finish the job 1 month later..i went private and was done in 1 day..i say my wife it's me girlfriend..
Do you live on a council estate? I DO..My life was on the streets i know what happening to the poor
MOST OF MY COUSINS ARE ON THE DOLE..
people loosing there homes faster than anything and migrants moving in FACT..
prisons full of Islam..
go to Leeds loads of unemployed Muslims why bring more in when they could have a job?
2nd gen muslims from the uk why invite more in..
Because if the rich chocker a city..the land owners gain railways gain electric companies gain..
the ones on shit wages will get moved out plus house prices go up and up because someone will always have that little bit more than you..so 20 pounds it goes up..
Then someone will say i will pay 40 pounds more give me the house..
YOU STAY AND YOU WILL PAY..

LAST TIME I MENTION BREXIT BECAUSE I HOPE WE LEAVE..
But if we don't watch what will happen..
I be saving to move to NEW ZEALAND..BUILDER SO ALWAYS GET A JOB..
well i say save i could go tomorrow But daughter doing her education and she top sets in everything she studies..She wants to study law..so i not doing nothing till she well educated?

And no never had a chance at an education mum dad always having murder..
as you can tell by my spelling..but no need to spell if a builder
Sorry i do need to spell when i order a bacon butty

Again, you're conflating issues.  You've been trained to find a scapegoat for all the problems you see in the world.  You're blaming the wrong people for all of these things.  You've been taught to fear and hate the unfamiliar.  I just read a blog post that resonates pretty strongly for me and closely mirrors my views on the matter of immigration: 

We stopped investing in our future and invested in the rich and corporations instead. We disenfranchised entire generations. These generations didn’t go away. They became poorer and more disenfranchised. And angrier and more afraid.
So when good talkers who had been given credibility by TV started telling them again and again that it wasn’t their fault… they listened.
“It’s not your fault” is an incredibly seductive argument. “It’s theirs”. Because there’s always a ‘them’. Always. That’s easy. “You’re not being treated fairly. We have too many people. That’s the problem.” And the argument becomes who has a right to be here.
And this was the point where “these people are scary” became “these people are fucking terrifying.”
That’s the point where we start debating which people have rights and which people don’t. And it’s based on who was here longest. And when you start basing it on that, you start basing it on where you were born. And somehow, we let them say that wasn’t racist.
“It’s not racist to want control over immigration!” “It’s not racist to say they should go elsewhere!” “It’s not racist to want to stop them coming here!” “It’s not racist to say they should be sent back!”
And the message has become more seductive and more powerful. And it’s overtaken logic and it’s based purely on emotion.

Full blog post here.

[bryant.coleman]

The murder of the Labor MP has done the trick folks! Check the latest opinion polls:



Things have turned upside down almost overnight. REMAIN is now in the lead (by 3%), and there was a sharp 8 point swing after the murder of Jo Cox. The assassination of the MP was the best thing ever happened to the REMAIN campaigners in a long while.

[Masha Sha]

What is fun is that right now the European autocrats are playing nice... As soon as the yes or no vote is cast they will unleash a flurry of new ruling to justify their abusive salaries... That they will spend in their private supermarket... It's pathetic.

[Elwar]

The people never vote for more freedom. Only centralization of power over them.

[Masha Sha]

No... There a still little rebellious tendencies in the America... At the end of the 18th century America lived for Liberty. There are still legacies today like decriminalizitation of cannabis in a lot of state! Lgtb rights etc...


However about brexit, it's important to remember that it's REVERSIBLE!!! Brexit is one of the best recent opportunity for the Eurocrats to be forced to restructure! If UK stays... Bruxelles GDP will skyrocket even more (for the same reason as D.C. Area).

[virtualx]

The people never vote for more freedom. Only centralization of power over them.

Those who want freedom are generally minorities.

[Masha Sha]

The people never vote for more freedom. Only centralization of power over them.

Those who want freedom are generally minorities.

The best are generally the few... How many people can play basketball like lebron?

As death is certain, is it better to die a slave or a free man?

[Elwar]

The people never vote for more freedom. Only centralization of power over them.

Those who want freedom are generally minorities.

Yes, the minority is usually the one that wants freedom. The revolutionaries in the US were in the minority when they revolted against Britain. Most people were not all that happy with Britain but were not willing to do anything about it other than grumble.

But that minority tends to be more willing to act while the majority will just go along with whatever is easiest.

[Masha Sha]

The people never vote for more freedom. Only centralization of power over them.

Those who want freedom are generally minorities.

Yes, the minority is usually the one that wants freedom. The revolutionaries in the US were in the minority when they revolted against Britain. Most people were not all that happy with Britain but were not willing to do anything about it other than grumble.

But that minority tends to be more willing to act while the majority will just go along with whatever is easiest.

Don't forget this when you think about the Middle East...

[Elwar]

So where will be the best place to get the vote count for the Brexit? What is the process? If the vote passes I want to be ready to go long on bitcoin

[DooMAD]

The murder of the Labor MP has done the trick folks! Check the latest opinion polls:



Things have turned upside down almost overnight. REMAIN is now in the lead (by 3%), and there was a sharp 8 point swing after the murder of Jo Cox. The assassination of the MP was the best thing ever happened to the REMAIN campaigners in a long while.

And pretty much straight away, some vile, callous little creature standing for UKIP tries to make out like it was some sort of false-flag event to discredit the leave campaign:

Lee Seville, a UKIP Councillor in Rochdale, released this meme on Twitter today which clearly infers he feels Jo Cox was killed as some sort of establishment conspiracy to hurt the Leave campaign

I sincerely hope that's not what you're implying with your post.

[Elwar]

The murder of the Labor MP has done the trick folks! Check the latest opinion polls:



Things have turned upside down almost overnight. REMAIN is now in the lead (by 3%), and there was a sharp 8 point swing after the murder of Jo Cox. The assassination of the MP was the best thing ever happened to the REMAIN campaigners in a long while.

And pretty much straight away, some vile, callous little creature standing for UKIP tries to make out like it was some sort of false-flag event to discredit the leave campaign:

Lee Seville, a UKIP Councillor in Rochdale, released this meme on Twitter today which clearly infers he feels Jo Cox was killed as some sort of establishment conspiracy to hurt the Leave campaign

I sincerely hope that's not what you're implying with your post.

If it would shock you that a government (those in power) would do that, you don't know governments (those in power) very well.

I'm not saying that that is the case this time.

[Masha Sha]

Apparently in Sweden it was a total bloodbath... Lots of people died... But apparently the swedes are too stupid to connect the dots and as they don't have freedom of speech they are doomed...

The advantage of voting stay is that once the vote is done, casted and falsified the EU will go in overdrive imposing all sorts of legislation on the member states and this could lead to full continental scale revolt... And so not only UK could be free from the diktats of the Eurocrats but the whole European people ;-)

[alyssa85]

So where will be the best place to get the vote count for the Brexit? What is the process? If the vote passes I want to be ready to go long on bitcoin

It is being counted council area by council area and the Guardian and the BBC online with be doing live blogs, so you should be able to find out in real time.

Beware of opinion polls just now - Brits tend to be polite, so there will be a number of "shy Leavers" who feel it is a bit uncouth to admit to a pollster that they are voting Leave, but will do so in the privacy of the polling booth. Not to mention that millions had voted by postal vote prior to the murder and all reports were that the postal votes were heavily for Leave.

[Elwar]

So where will be the best place to get the vote count for the Brexit? What is the process? If the vote passes I want to be ready to go long on bitcoin

It is being counted council area by council area and the Guardian and the BBC online with be doing live blogs, so you should be able to find out in real time.

Beware of opinion polls just now - Brits tend to be polite, so there will be a number of "shy Leavers" who feel it is a bit uncouth to admit to a pollster that they are voting Leave, but will do so in the privacy of the polling booth. Not to mention that millions had voted by postal vote prior to the murder and all reports were that the postal votes were heavily for Leave.

Thanks for the info.

[funkenstein]

Let me propose my own Brexit:

1) Stop paying attention to what these fascist losers like David Cameron and other unenlightened self-aggrandizers push in the worlds-worst-press.  Exit completely from voting or caring about what they pretend is important. 

2) Stop accepting as valuable the joke of a scamcoin called the GBP issued ad infinitum by morons with no plan or vision.

3)  (and this is the most shocking of the three)  Take decisions of import to your own life into your own hands.   

[funkenstein]

The people never vote for more freedom. Only centralization of power over them.

Those who want freedom are generally minorities.

Freedom is seen, claimed and used, not "voted for". 

Prisoners don't vote to be free.  They escape. 

[bryant.coleman]

If it would shock you that a government (those in power) would do that, you don't know governments (those in power) very well.

I'm not saying that that is the case this time.

Normally I don't believe in silly conspiracy theories. But then, if she was murdered for her pro-EU views, then why this date was chosen? Why not a year before referendum, or a few days after the referendum? OK. I will agree that this was a coincidence. But then the same thing happened in Sweden as well. There also, the politician was murdered a few days before the referendum. If you believe that this was pure coincidence... then I don't have anything to say.

[Elwar]

If it would shock you that a government (those in power) would do that, you don't know governments (those in power) very well.

I'm not saying that that is the case this time.

Normally I don't believe in silly conspiracy theories. But then, if she was murdered for her pro-EU views, then why this date was chosen? Why not a year before referendum, or a few days after the referendum? OK. I will agree that this was a coincidence. But then the same thing happened in Sweden as well. There also, the politician was murdered a few days before the referendum. If you believe that this was pure coincidence... then I don't have anything to say.

I always keep an open mind, but I also prefer to see evidence that is not filtered by the media. Until then, I'll go with the story being told until proven otherwise.

[Masha Sha]

There are no silly conspiracy theories, just good conspirators;-). A good conspirator will produce silly conspiracy theories otherwise he got caught ;-)

[Wilikon]

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/20/shoot-and-stab-nigel-farage-hundreds-of-social-media-messages-urging-attacks-on-ukip-leader-revealed/

[Racey]

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/20/shoot-and-stab-nigel-farage-hundreds-of-social-media-messages-urging-attacks-on-ukip-leader-revealed/

Wowsa a lot of brain dead people who use Twitter, hope to see some of these get arrested for threatening murder.

Soliciting to commit murder Offences against the Person Act 1861 s.4 Life imprisonment.

[coinzat]

as the referendum is very soon and it is going to be this week. according to Cameron view we should brace ourselves for the new world war   

[s1lverbox]

Cameron and the gang song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qchPLaiKocI


Party is here, david will fund a turn at the bar. His dividends from Panama leaks should cover bills.

[Racey]

Before the EU and before the UK was a member, everything was fine as it was.
In the EU as it is now, has brought much division, even all across Europe, it's in tatters and only months or so before it self destructs.
The political scenery has much changed in Europe, Its more of we do not trust our governments.

The lies, the lies the lies, I am sick of them all.
 

[Karartma1]

Before the EU and before the UK was a member, everything was fine as it was.
In the EU as it is now, has brought much division, even all across Europe, it's in tatters and only months or so before it self destructs.
The political scenery has much changed in Europe, Its more of we do not trust our governments.

The lies, the lies the lies, I am sick of them all.
 

Could not agree more but as a former UK resident I say : what can we do? I mean us as people. We have no power whatsoever, I don't know how guys feel about politics but to me it is a silly circus only.
I am very sick of it actually.

[criptix]

-snip-

Wowsa a lot of brain dead people who use Twitter, hope to see some of these get arrested for threatening murder.

Soliciting to commit murder Offences against the Person Act 1861 s.4 Life imprisonment.

Freedom of speech? Must be nice to support censorship. Are you by chance muslim and ISIS supporter?

@ the others

You are crazy conspiracy nutjobs. Please start to post in the flat earth and illuminati threads. Thank you.

[Racey]

@criptix   To make things clear, I am not of any denomination whatsoever.

You support that kind of talk, that threatens life, would you like that, if some no marks threatened your life?

FU

[criptix]

@criptix   To make things clear, I am not of any denomination whatsoever.

You support that kind of talk, that threatens life, would you like that, if some no marks threatened your life?

FU

That is called freedom of speech as long as they do dont do anything.

So you support the anti hate speech law and censorship.

Q.e.d.

[Racey]

@criptix   To make things clear, I am not of any denomination whatsoever.

You support that kind of talk, that threatens life, would you like that, if some no marks threatened your life?

FU

That is called freedom of speech as long as they do dont do anything.

So you support the anti hate speech law and censorship.

Q.e.d.

I am all against hate, but you are wrong if think life threats are free speech, some people should engage a brain before they spew tripe.

[zenitzz]

George Soros: EU exit risks 'black Friday'

The world’s most famous currency speculator has warned that a vote on Thursday for Britain to leave the EU would trigger a bigger and more damaging fall for sterling than the day he forced Britain out of the Exchange Rate Mechanism almost a quarter of a century ago.

George Soros, writing in the Guardian, said a Brexit vote would spark a ‘black Friday’ for the UK, but the devaluation of sterling would bring none of the benefits to the economy that it enjoyed after it dropped out of the ERM on 16 September 1992 – Black Wednesday.

He said that, as in 1992, there would be big financial gains for speculators who had bet on the UK leaving the EU but that such an outcome would leave “most voters considerably poorer”.

Soros said that unlike after Black Wednesday, there was little scope for a cut in interest rates, the UK was running a much larger current account deficit, and exporters would be unable to exploit the benefits of a cheaper pound due to the uncertainty caused by avote to leave the EU.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/20/brexit-would-trigger-sterling-fall-worse-than-black-wednesday

[Elwar]

All government news outlets will be kicking into high gear to put fear into the voters' heads.

Must be difficult to campaign against such a huge media apparatus.

[Karartma1]

All government news outlets will be kicking into high gear to put fear into the voters' heads.

Must be difficult to campaign against such a huge media apparatus.

They already did it with the Scotland Independence referendum and they are doing it again.

According to the following polls the vote is really uncertain.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

I mean brits don't care about the EU let's face it. They were clever enough to avoid accepting the EURO currency and they could eventually dismantle the union.

[virtualx]

All government news outlets will be kicking into high gear to put fear into the voters' heads.

Must be difficult to campaign against such a huge media apparatus.

They already did it with the Scotland Independence referendum and they are doing it again.

According to the following polls the vote is really uncertain.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

I mean brits don't care about the EU let's face it. They were clever enough to avoid accepting the EURO currency and they could eventually dismantle the union.

Britain has centuries of experience running a union. It would be in their best interest to reform rather than dismantle.

[Karartma1]

All government news outlets will be kicking into high gear to put fear into the voters' heads.

Must be difficult to campaign against such a huge media apparatus.

They already did it with the Scotland Independence referendum and they are doing it again.

According to the following polls the vote is really uncertain.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

I mean brits don't care about the EU let's face it. They were clever enough to avoid accepting the EURO currency and they could eventually dismantle the union.

Britain has centuries of experience running a union. It would be in their best interest to reform rather than dismantle.

I don't see why they should help reforming the european union, really. I think they got a lot from the EU but they can live without it. Maybe it's the EU that can't live withput them.

[Elwar]

All government news outlets will be kicking into high gear to put fear into the voters' heads.

Must be difficult to campaign against such a huge media apparatus.

They already did it with the Scotland Independence referendum and they are doing it again.

According to the following polls the vote is really uncertain.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

I mean brits don't care about the EU let's face it. They were clever enough to avoid accepting the EURO currency and they could eventually dismantle the union.

Yep, same thing happened with Scottland. Doom and gloom scenarios all over the television. Wash, rinse, repeat.

[Masha Sha]

All government news outlets will be kicking into high gear to put fear into the voters' heads.

Must be difficult to campaign against such a huge media apparatus.

They already did it with the Scotland Independence referendum and they are doing it again.

According to the following polls the vote is really uncertain.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

I mean brits don't care about the EU let's face it. They were clever enough to avoid accepting the EURO currency and they could eventually dismantle the union.

Yep, same thing happened with Scottland. Doom and gloom scenarios all over the television. Wash, rinse, repeat.

The strategy works the problem is that once the fears and doom speech stop the people will see what is going on around them... And then they will get bitter. What ever the results it should be a BIG wake up call to everyone that something is not going right. And sadly and as always it start with telling the truth. So there is no build in irrational expectations... When are the postal votes open? Same as the rest?

[alyssa85]

George Soros: EU exit risks 'black Friday'

The world’s most famous currency speculator has warned that a vote on Thursday for Britain to leave the EU would trigger a bigger and more damaging fall for sterling than the day he forced Britain out of the Exchange Rate Mechanism almost a quarter of a century ago.

George Soros, writing in the Guardian, said a Brexit vote would spark a ‘black Friday’ for the UK, but the devaluation of sterling would bring none of the benefits to the economy that it enjoyed after it dropped out of the ERM on 16 September 1992 – Black Wednesday.

He said that, as in 1992, there would be big financial gains for speculators who had bet on the UK leaving the EU but that such an outcome would leave “most voters considerably poorer”.

Soros said that unlike after Black Wednesday, there was little scope for a cut in interest rates, the UK was running a much larger current account deficit, and exporters would be unable to exploit the benefits of a cheaper pound due to the uncertainty caused by avote to leave the EU.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/20/brexit-would-trigger-sterling-fall-worse-than-black-wednesday

The thing about Black Friday is that it kickstarted 16 consecutive years of growth for the UK (from 1992 to 2008). It was the best thing that ever happened to us!

[Racey]

George Soros is Cnut and I meant that most sincerely.

He actually funds people to overthrow governments, he has his dirty fingers everywhere.
 

[s1lverbox]

George Soros is Cnut and I meant that most sincerely.

He actually funds people to overthrow governments, he has his dirty fingers everywhere.
 

Same soros who is chased by Russia for financial fiddling etc?

http://endingthefed.com/vladimir-putin-russia-issues-international-arrest-warrant-for-rothschild-soros.html


Yeah, he is someone inportant which all brits should listen

[Racey]

George Soros is Cnut and I meant that most sincerely.

He actually funds people to overthrow governments, he has his dirty fingers everywhere.
 

Same soros who is chased by Russia for financial fiddling etc?

http://endingthefed.com/vladimir-putin-russia-issues-international-arrest-warrant-for-rothschild-soros.html


Yeah, he is someone inportant which all brits should listen

Soros is isolated in his panic room, very scared he is, although he is wanted, it will not be long before he kicks it, six feet under.
I wonder why the UK press endorsed this MF

[Wilikon]

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/22/her-majesty-the-eurosceptic-queen-eu-courts-denigrate-britain-by-protecting-terrorists/

[Wilikon]

1975:Labour's Peter Shore on Project Fear - "The message that comes out is fear, fear, fear"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j-Gb8Pk2Pk

[Karartma1]

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

The "leavers" are ahead with 45% against 44%, really interesting. Tomorrow is the day and it could probably reflect a bit on bitcoin price as well.

In any case I hope what I've read about this WW3 is not true otherwise... I really can't tell.

[Masha Sha]

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

The "leavers" are ahead with 45% against 44%, really interesting. Tomorrow is the day and it could probably reflect a bit on bitcoin price as well.

In any case I hope what I've read about this WW3 is not true otherwise... I really can't tell.

In case of WW3 Cameron dies... It's sad but bunker busting munition have made a lot of progress since Churchill... And uk being an island... It's easy to get close to launch a big munition... The queen should get immunity in this mess ;-) it's not her fault if the city banker are greedy as hell... ;-) it's more a £ play than a BTC, the king is safe ww3 or not ;-) the infrastructure has been rocked to China ;-)

[s1lverbox]

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/


In any case I hope what I've read about this WW3 is not true otherwise... I really can't tell.

As long as blockchain survive and my trezor we good. ww3 and no need for train full of gold etc. Now small trezor and you rich....

[Racey]

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

The "leavers" are ahead with 45% against 44%, really interesting. Tomorrow is the day and it could probably reflect a bit on bitcoin price as well.

In any case I hope what I've read about this WW3 is not true otherwise... I really can't tell.

I was actually doing that poll, almost daily, and my results 97% agree with you, something wrong with that poll, a bit over bias imo
So how they reached that conclusion is baffling, any how some of the daily questions was loaded, pure trickery.

Eg: Would you vote for Boris Johnson to become PM, I voted no, they marked me as remain.

[dste123]

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

The "leavers" are ahead with 45% against 44%, really interesting. Tomorrow is the day and it could probably reflect a bit on bitcoin price as well.

In any case I hope what I've read about this WW3 is not true otherwise... I really can't tell.

Looks like it switched...those you want to remain is at 47% (vs. 45% for those who want to leave).

[alyssa85]

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

The "leavers" are ahead with 45% against 44%, really interesting. Tomorrow is the day and it could probably reflect a bit on bitcoin price as well.

In any case I hope what I've read about this WW3 is not true otherwise... I really can't tell.

Looks like it switched...those you want to remain is at 47% (vs. 45% for those who want to leave).

The latest polls include Northern Ireland, whereas the previous ones were GB only.

NI will vote to remain, as will Scotland, London and Gibraltar. The question is whether the leave vote in England outside of London will be high enough to offset all that.

[DodoB]

Yeah i doubt it,he is just scaremongering people into voting remain so the globalists could turn England into the next Sweden.

[bryant.coleman]

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

The "leavers" are ahead with 45% against 44%, really interesting. Tomorrow is the day and it could probably reflect a bit on bitcoin price as well.

In any case I hope what I've read about this WW3 is not true otherwise... I really can't tell.

Nope. Remain at 47% and Leave at 45% according to the latest figures from the same source. Out of the 4 opinion polls came out yesterday, two are predicting Brexit (Opinium and TNS) and the other two are in favor of remain (YouGov and ComRes). From my experience, I'd say that YouGov is the most accurate pollster out of the four.

[Karartma1]

Yes the poll I've posted is subject to change.

Anyway today is the day we just have to wait and see. Personally I feel that something like this big can not be left to the "people": don't misunderstand me I'm saying that whatever will happen was planned before.

I don't believe we have any "democratic" power over this

[Elwar]

Enjoy your shackles Britain.



At least you are connected with everyone else in the EU.

[Karartma1]

We are all bound to a prison we don't see made of bars so hidden that everyone believes we live in the best system possible. Let's wait for the ende of the referendum and this will be clear once again.

[bitcoinboy12]

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

The "leavers" are ahead with 45% against 44%, really interesting. Tomorrow is the day and it could probably reflect a bit on bitcoin price as well.

In any case I hope what I've read about this WW3 is not true otherwise... I really can't tell.

Nope. Remain at 47% and Leave at 45% according to the latest figures from the same source. ...

Looks like you guys are screwed.  More EU regulations, taxes....coming up

Good Luck to UK farmers....

Wow, this is very unfortunate to hear. Tragic. I hope UK will be able to work it out.

[Racey]

Leave campaign won, any one ready for WW3 

EU referendum results live: Brexit wins as Britain votes to leave European Union

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-results-live-brexit-wins-as-britain-votes-to-leave/

[Elwar]

Well well, I am very surprised. Looks like the British grew some balls.

Congrats on breaking the chains of the EU.

[Racey]

Well well, I am very surprised. Looks like the British grew some balls.

Congrats on breaking the chains of the EU.

On the same page.

61% Said Cameron should go, go now you liar.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-results-live-brexit-wins-as-britain-votes-to-leave/

[Masha Sha]

I see the goons of Corbyn are allied with the internationalist (globalist) on trying to make David the Great fall... I am sure that corbyn goons would have never brought 2 referendums to the UK... Cameroon asked the People of England... Internationalist/globalist never ask, they know better, they went to better school and their family are better!

[Karartma1]

Well well, I am very surprised. Looks like the British grew some balls.

Congrats on breaking the chains of the EU.

Truly uncertain times ahead. Expect some turmoils.

I don't know about UK farmers but I do know that this referendum could trigger new independence spirits across the EU.

By the way, BTC going up already

[iCEBREAKER]

Enoch Powell and M. Thatcher played the long game against the red/brown alliance of EU transnationalists, and today claimed victory.

Very glad to see pseudo-Conservative Fabian squish David Cameron fall on his sword.  He has no business leading the Iron Lady's party.

Can't wait to see Nigel holding a beer in Number 10 while Mrs. Farage measures the drapes.

[Wilikon]

[mOgliE]

Well well, I am very surprised. Looks like the British grew some balls.

Congrats on breaking the chains of the EU.

Absolutely not what happened.
What happened is only that old stupid fags of UK were more numerous than the youngs. So the old have power in a referendum. And as every old fags they're too dumb and too stupidily nostalgic about the "old times" so they imposed Brexit to younger generations even if they'll have to live 60 years with this decision while the stupid old people will live only 10 years with that...

We just need to ponderate the votes. The older you are the less your vote should count!

[Wilikon]

Well well, I am very surprised. Looks like the British grew some balls.

Congrats on breaking the chains of the EU.

Absolutely not what happened.
What happened is only that old stupid fags of UK were more numerous than the youngs. So the old have power in a referendum. And as every old fags they're too dumb and too stupidily nostalgic about the "old times" so they imposed Brexit to younger generations even if they'll have to live 60 years with this decision while the stupid old people will live only 10 years with that...

We just need to ponderate the votes. The older you are the less your vote should count!

Old Stupid Fags of UK = Old Stupid British Cigarettes... With a strong taste of salt in your case...


 

[Jet Cash]

[quote ]

We just need to ponderate the votes. The older you are the less your vote should count!
[/quote]

We did pond rate the votes - we're getting rid of the pond life.

[iCEBREAKER]

Well well, I am very surprised. Looks like the British grew some balls.

Congrats on breaking the chains of the EU.

Absolutely not what happened.
What happened is only that old stupid fags of UK were more numerous than the youngs. So the old have power in a referendum. And as every old fags they're too dumb and too stupidily nostalgic about the "old times" so they imposed Brexit to younger generations even if they'll have to live 60 years with this decision while the stupid old people will live only 10 years with that...

We just need to ponderate the votes. The older you are the less your vote should count!

If you've never paid taxes you shouldn't get to tell those who have how to spend their money.

Witless Millennials (think Occupy and Berners), brainwashed by ruined schools, feel very strongly about how great the EU is and how like, totally not-cool old people from UKIP are.

But they are too lazy to show up on voting day.   

OTOH, adults with decades of experience living in the EU Worker's Paradise are sick to the gills of it, and wish better for their children.

According to all the polls, the longer you've watched the EU ruin the UK the more you want a Brexit.

Don't waste all your salt today.  Save plenty for the coming Frexit, Finnish, Quitaly, Byerland, etc.   

[BADecker]

Didn't he resign? Forget this joker.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1525209.0 

 

[Wilikon]

[mOgliE]

Well well, I am very surprised. Looks like the British grew some balls.

Congrats on breaking the chains of the EU.

Absolutely not what happened.
What happened is only that old stupid fags of UK were more numerous than the youngs. So the old have power in a referendum. And as every old fags they're too dumb and too stupidily nostalgic about the "old times" so they imposed Brexit to younger generations even if they'll have to live 60 years with this decision while the stupid old people will live only 10 years with that...

We just need to ponderate the votes. The older you are the less your vote should count!

If you've never paid taxes you shouldn't get to tell those who have how to spend their money.

Witless Millennials (think Occupy and Berners), brainwashed by ruined schools, feel very strongly about how great the EU is and how like, totally not-cool old people from UKIP are.

But they are too lazy to show up on voting day.   

OTOH, adults with decades of experience living in the EU Worker's Paradise are sick to the gills of it, and wish better for their children.

According to all the polls, the longer you've watched the EU ruin the UK the more you want a Brexit.

Don't waste all your salt today.  Save plenty for the coming Frexit, Finnish, Quitaly, Byerland, etc.   

Oh don't worry for me. I pay my tax and can work anywhere in the world. It's just incredibly sad to see the gerontocracy in action...

And old people can't even imagine the impact of a Brexit as they never went out of their village. Anyone with some education knows the importance of EU in research, foreign exchange and education...

Well, at least USA will be more than happy to keep invading UK so you won't be completely alone I guess.

[mOgliE]

Well well, I am very surprised. Looks like the British grew some balls.

Congrats on breaking the chains of the EU.

Absolutely not what happened.
What happened is only that old stupid fags of UK were more numerous than the youngs. So the old have power in a referendum. And as every old fags they're too dumb and too stupidily nostalgic about the "old times" so they imposed Brexit to younger generations even if they'll have to live 60 years with this decision while the stupid old people will live only 10 years with that...

We just need to ponderate the votes. The older you are the less your vote should count!

Old Stupid Fags of UK = Old Stupid British Cigarettes... With a strong taste of salt in your case...


 

Of course I'm salty! Why shouldn't I cry seeing this world slowly collapsing? Anyone under 30 should be litteraly crying thinking about the future here...

[Racey]

I am of the older generation me my two children (young adults) 25 and twenty voted out.
They know the score, and are very wise indeed.

[criptix]

The new found freedom - banks and rich are getting free money:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/carney-on-financial-turmoil-front-line-as-brexit-hits-markets

[s1lverbox]

In uk white cannot call anyone racist, but black/brown/yellow/green/pink more than welcome. A bit of sour true and there you go. And all british fools on the benefits now thinking that handouts will be reinstated! Ha!!! think again, once all eastern europ. people leave same old same old.
Good luck.....and i think:   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjDfHQDyxTM

[bryant.coleman]

In uk white cannot call anyone racist, but black/brown/yellow/green/pink more than welcome. A bit of sour true and there you go. And all british fools on the benefits now thinking that handouts will be reinstated! Ha!!! think again, once all eastern europ. people leave same old same old.
Good luck.....and i think:   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjDfHQDyxTM

You are not getting it. The Brits voted out of the EU not because of the "white" immigration from the European Union (as many have pointed out, Eastern European migrants will be allowed to remain in the UK even after the Brexit). The voters were mainly driven by two factors. The uncontrolled Arab migration which was provoked by Merkel, and the pending Turkish membership to the EU (once again it was Merkel's idea).

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

Don't waste all your salt today.  Save plenty for the coming Frexit  

Your two can-can girls hate bitcoin.  Maybe if they renamed it bigotcoin, you could have a threesome?

[Wilikon]

[RealityTruth]

I'm 49 and I voted out

[lightfoot]

This will be interesting to watch. Fortunately we can still do business with people in the UK, no problem. Just pay in bitcoin.

Bitcoin solves all sorts of problems.

[iCEBREAKER]

Oh don't worry for me. I pay my tax and can work anywhere in the world. It's just incredibly sad to see the gerontocracy in action...

And old people can't even imagine the impact of a Brexit as they never went out of their village. Anyone with some education knows the importance of EU in research, foreign exchange and education...

Well, at least USA will be more than happy to keep invading UK so you won't be completely alone I guess.

Why are you blaming the Brexit vote for showing up, instead of holding the lazy Bremain voters accountable for failing make their way to the polls?

It may be shocking to you, but the UK has not always been in the EU.  There are other ways to do things besides being ruled by unaccountable Eurocrats in Brussels.

Your rude, ugly caricature of Brexit votes as elderly and parochial is offensive; I'm sure Nigel Farage is more educated and well-traveled (IE more cosmopolitan) than you.  And don't forget why (if you ever knew) why Enoch Powell was nicknamed "The Professor."

I'm not sure how the USA is "invading" the UK.  We are NATO allies.

As WC said, "Americans and British are one people separated only by a common language."   

[bryant.coleman]

Oh don't worry for me. I pay my tax and can work anywhere in the world. It's just incredibly sad to see the gerontocracy in action...

And old people can't even imagine the impact of a Brexit as they never went out of their village. Anyone with some education knows the importance of EU in research, foreign exchange and education...

Well, at least USA will be more than happy to keep invading UK so you won't be completely alone I guess.

Why are you blaming the Brexit vote for showing up, instead of holding the lazy Bremain voters accountable for failing make their way to the polls?

It may be shocking to you, but the UK has not always been in the EU.  There are other ways to do things besides being ruled by unaccountable Eurocrats in Brussels.

Your rude, ugly caricature of Brexit votes as elderly and parochial is offensive; I'm sure Nigel Farage is more educated and well-traveled (IE more cosmopolitan) than you.  And don't forget why (if you ever knew) why Enoch Powell was nicknamed "The Professor."

I'm not sure how the USA is "invading" the UK.  We are NATO allies.

As WC said, "Americans and British are one people separated only by a common language."  

Excellent reply. The Bremain loonies tend to forget the fact that two-fifth of the under 30 voters favored Brexit during the referendum. The remainder composed of a large number of recent immigrants, especially in the London region. Only around 77% of the population of England is classified as "British White". So getting 54% of the vote means that close to three-fourth of them voted for Brexit.

[Wilikon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu7rKVxWccg

[Jet Cash]

You know Britain saved Europe from Germany in World war I, they saved it again from hitler, the German chancellor, in  World war II, and now they are saving it from another German Chancellor by Brexit.

We're getting fed up with it, please can the European countries wake up to what is going on, and not rely on us saving them if they do  it again.

[iCEBREAKER]

In case you forgot why Sir Humphrey is the greatest TV villain of all time.

Yes Minister — Why Britain Joined the European Union

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE

The Night's King wouldn't last 5 minutes against him!   

[lightfoot]

You know Britain saved Europe from Germany in World war I, they saved it again from hitler, the German chancellor, in  World war II, and now they are saving it from another German Chancellor by Brexit.

We're getting fed up with it, please can the European countries wake up to what is going on, and not rely on us saving them if they do  it again.

Sort of. Technically it was the arrival of fresh US troops that really tipped the scales in WW1. In that the US was the group who saved Europe from the Kaiser.

In WWII, the US didn't do dick compared to the real hero: The Soviet Union. They took a hell of a beating to be honest, and really did the heaviest lifting in WWII. Thus we should give credit where it is due.

[Jet Cash]

They were a bit late though, and we were the ones who stood up against the oppressors. Now we have venal, corrupt, nominal leaders like Cameron to put up with.

[iCEBREAKER]

You know Britain saved Europe from Germany in World war I, they saved it again from hitler, the German chancellor, in  World war II, and now they are saving it from another German Chancellor by Brexit.

We're getting fed up with it, please can the European countries wake up to what is going on, and not rely on us saving them if they do  it again.

Sort of. Technically it was the arrival of fresh US troops that really tipped the scales in WW1. In that the US was the group who saved Europe from the Kaiser.

In WWII, the US didn't do dick compared to the real hero: The Soviet Union. They took a hell of a beating to be honest, and really did the heaviest lifting in WWII. Thus we should give credit where it is due.

   Oh sure, Stalin's Soviet Union was the real hero for agreeing to invade and divide several countries under Molotov-Ribbenrop, which

"included a secret protocol that divided territories of Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland into German and Soviet "spheres of influence", anticipating potential "territorial and political rearrangements" of these countries."

The Russians got exactly what they deserved for betraying their Tsar and embracing Marxist Bolshevism.  IE, their armed forces where in complete disarray thanks to Stalin's purges long before being stomped into the mud by the Wehrmacht.

And it was American materiel support from the lend-lease act (plus bad weather) that kept the Red Army alive long enough to stop Hitler, not the patriotic cannon fodder.

Heavy lifting?  No, that was the USA and UK.  Soviet Union did the heavy bleeding, because they chose to reject capitalism and the rule of law in favor of social justice utopia.

The USA also prevented WW3 by stopping the Red Army's march across western Europe.

This, not Stalin's totalitarian Great Patriotic War fiasco, is heavy lifting in service of peace:

The Berlin Blockade (24 June 1948 – 12 May 1949) was one of the first major international crises of the Cold War. During the multinational occupation of post–World War II Germany, the Soviet Union blocked the Western Allies' railway, road, and canal access to the sectors of Berlin under Western control. The Soviets offered to drop the blockade if the Western Allies withdrew the newly introduced Deutsche mark from West Berlin.

In response, the Western Allies organized the Berlin airlift to carry supplies to the people of West Berlin, a difficult feat given the city's population.[1][2] Aircrews from the United States Air Force, the British Royal Air Force, the Royal Canadian Air Force, the Royal Australian Air Force, the Royal New Zealand Air Force, and the South African Air Force flew over 200,000 flights in one year, providing to the West Berliners up to 8,893 tons of necessities each day, such as fuel and food.[4] The Soviets did not disrupt the airlift for fear this might lead to open conflict.[5]

By the spring of 1949, the airlift was clearly succeeding, and by April it was delivering more cargo than had previously been transported into the city by rail. On 12 May 1949, the USSR lifted the blockade of West Berlin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Blockade

[groll]

Don't be too skeptimistic.  Anything can be argued and yet can be fixed.  Members of the European Union sure not want to have another war.  They are still on the same continent.  Britain can still help other countries even if she exited the Eu.  Those who said that it could trigger World War III are not at peace with own self.

[Jet Cash]

It will if Cameron blocks the Brexit.

[Masha Sha]

The 87% death rate of the soviets wasn't the results of the nazis prowess but of the incompetence of the soviet leadership. They viewed people as real cannon fodder... The collective mind set and as long it wasn't them. One great outcome of war is that incompetent can't continue their ways for too long...

[bryant.coleman]

You know Britain saved Europe from Germany in World war I, they saved it again from hitler, the German chancellor, in  World war II, and now they are saving it from another German Chancellor by Brexit.

The Germans will never give up their dream of ruling the Europe and imposing their dominance over the Europeans. They tried three times (1914, 1939, and 2015) and failed every time in achieving it. Still they are not going to stop. After Merkel, some other leader will come who will try to create the fourth reich, either forcibly or through peaceful means.

[Masha Sha]

You know Britain saved Europe from Germany in World war I, they saved it again from hitler, the German chancellor, in  World war II, and now they are saving it from another German Chancellor by Brexit.

The Germans will never give up their dream of ruling the Europe and imposing their dominance over the Europeans. They tried three times (1914, 1939, and 2015) and failed every time in achieving it. Still they are not going to stop. After Merkel, some other leader will come who will try to create the fourth reich, either forcibly or through peaceful means.

I love how they try to portray Germans as stupid kind idiots... Only Americans are nefarious vicious commercial hegemonists... Of course the German street guy is an idiots who has no idea of what is going on...

[Masha Sha]

In retrospect those having said that were completely wrong and more than that believed that uk is more important than what it really is... Self desillusion with dream of grander...