rollinCoin.com caught changing provably fair hashes after betting

[rambeazle]

tldr: I checked the provably fair hash before I bet, it was fe3b7dee0cf7cb7ea552995675306786. After I bet and LOST, the hash was 3509c457c164d3a813c833cb9f62a990. I have independent and irrefutable proof below.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160511020337/http://rollincoin.com/provably_fair_md5.php

I would like to direct everyones attention to the link above, which proves what I say. I have been scammed by rollincoin.com, my hash was changed after my bet.
find the original hash (fe3b7dee0cf7cb7ea552995675306786) on the site above, which captures the provably fair page as it was yesterday before i bet. Then go see rollincoins current provably fair page - the hash changed after I had bet.

current provably fair page:
http://rollincoin.com/provably_fair_md5.php

What is the internet archive?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive

Hash yesterday before bet:



Hash today after bet:

[LiQuidx]

Hey there. Nice catch there man. I would suggest archiving the site today as well in case they try to change it back to the original one.

[rambeazle]

Hey there. Nice catch there man. I would suggest archiving the site today as well in case they try to change it back to the original one.

Thanks

Wouldn't make sense for them to do that I think, that would make my bet a winner and they would have to pay me and backtrack on everything they said in their thread.

[RollinCoin.com]

You provided fake.. at 11 may, today 12 may.
you have not checked hash before bet.
you begin check after lose!!!

why you received win?

WIN paid 0.1BTChttps://blockchain.info/tx/33113c23615e48ef3de9fe357b09f51f414399823b38e63a51c7e3cf89935cb8

WIN 0.08BTC paid!https://blockchain.info/tx/ed9cccc775012e372e42907521b5d8ec406ce8414068264c152a254a11335036


Do you want refund all win if you honest?

your screenshot fake!
11 may today 12 may.

if you proof that is scam i will pay 1btc. to you!
you wrong!

no cheat please!!!


Thanks and Good luck!

[RollinCoin.com]

Hey there. Nice catch there man. I would suggest archiving the site today as well in case they try to change it back to the original one.

you wrong!
you can check that is not scam!

make bet and check.

why you say if not try it??

need video proof!!!

this photoshoped fake!

[rambeazle]

Hey there. Nice catch there man. I would suggest archiving the site today as well in case they try to change it back to the original one.

you wrong!

make bet and check.

why you say if not try it??

need video proof!!!

this photoshoped fake!

This is photoshopped also?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160511020337/http://rollincoin.com/provably_fair_md5.php

Just shut up.

[RollinCoin.com]

Hey there. Nice catch there man. I would suggest archiving the site today as well in case they try to change it back to the original one.

you wrong!

make bet and check.

why you say if not try it??

need video proof!!!

this photoshoped fake!

This is photoshopped also?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160511020337/http://rollincoin.com/provably_fair_md5.php

Just shut up.

yes you scammer and cheater

why only 1 screenshot??

have not 9,10,12 may??
only 11 may.
Piece of shit..

[rambeazle]

Hey there. Nice catch there man. I would suggest archiving the site today as well in case they try to change it back to the original one.

you wrong!

make bet and check.

why you say if not try it??

need video proof!!!

this photoshoped fake!

This is photoshopped also?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160511020337/http://rollincoin.com/provably_fair_md5.php

Just shut up.

yes you scammer and cheater

why only 1 screenshot??

have not 9,10,12 may??
only 11 may.
Piece of shit..

What does that change? Were the hashes even different on 9 and 10 may?

You are pathetic

[RollinCoin.com]

Hey there. Nice catch there man. I would suggest archiving the site today as well in case they try to change it back to the original one.

you wrong!

make bet and check.

why you say if not try it??

need video proof!!!

this photoshoped fake!

This is photoshopped also?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160511020337/http://rollincoin.com/provably_fair_md5.php

Just shut up.

yes you scammer and cheater

why only 1 screenshot??

have not 9,10,12 may??
only 11 may.
Piece of shit..

What does that change? Were the hashes even different on 9 and 10 may?

You are pathetic

where screenshot another day.
you cheater and scammer

need check hash before place of bet and not yesterday

[LiQuidx]

Hey there. Nice catch there man. I would suggest archiving the site today as well in case they try to change it back to the original one.

you wrong!
you can check that is not scam!

make bet and check.

why you say if not try it??

need video proof!!!

this photoshoped fake!

You either don't understand how archiving works or you are too desperate (and stupid) to admit you have scammed him. The screenshot that was taken yesterday by the archiving site can not be altered by the user that requested the archiving. You still refuse to accept that and you say that is photoshoped (while it's not possible).

Hey there. Nice catch there man. I would suggest archiving the site today as well in case they try to change it back to the original one.

you wrong!

make bet and check.

why you say if not try it??

need video proof!!!

this photoshoped fake!

This is photoshopped also?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160511020337/http://rollincoin.com/provably_fair_md5.php

Just shut up.

yes you scammer and cheater

why only 1 screenshot??

have not 9,10,12 may??
only 11 may.
Piece of shit..

He has a solid proof that on 11 of May (yesterday) the hash given to him was different that the one you have now on the site... Why would he need any more screenshots or a video. The proof is there for everyone to see that you have SCAMMED him.

[NLNico]

Added negative trust.

People should realize that their "provably fair" implementation is already not provably fair anyway. They could literally show 10000s of hashes where the string is "Lose:......" and claim it's provably fair because the hash is the same. That is not how provably fair works.

Somehow, with such a crappy bad non-"provably fair" implementation, they still managed to cheat it extra - by changing the hash. That is like almost impressive.

Please ignore such sites.

[rambeazle]

Added negative trust.

People should realize that their "provably fair" implementation is already not provably fair anyway. They could literally show 10000s of hashes where the string is "Lose:......" and claim it's provably fair because the hash is the same. That is not how provably fair works.

Somehow, with such a crappy bad non-"provably fair" implementation, they still managed to cheat it extra - by changing the hash. That is like almost impressive.

Please ignore such sites.

Thank you for bringing some sanity to the discussion.

I really hate people like rollincoin, they really damage bitcoins reputation and represent the worst in the community.

[Alaki]

I'd entreat rollincoin.com to pay 'em or this'll force 'em to close 'er business I'd guess. Anyway, there business' already gone down from now eh.

[RollinCoin.com]

Added negative trust.

People should realize that their "provably fair" implementation is already not provably fair anyway. They could literally show 10000s of hashes where the string is "Lose:......" and claim it's provably fair because the hash is the same. That is not how provably fair works.

Somehow, with such a crappy bad non-"provably fair" implementation, they still managed to cheat it extra - by changing the hash. That is like almost impressive.

Please ignore such sites.

you wrong!

all md5 hash differnt!

provide different string with equal  md5 string, please?

[rambeazle]

Added negative trust.

People should realize that their "provably fair" implementation is already not provably fair anyway. They could literally show 10000s of hashes where the string is "Lose:......" and claim it's provably fair because the hash is the same. That is not how provably fair works.

Somehow, with such a crappy bad non-"provably fair" implementation, they still managed to cheat it extra - by changing the hash. That is like almost impressive.

Please ignore such sites.

you wrong!

all md5 hash differnt!

provide different string with equal  md5 string, please?

Sorry bro, no way out of this one. You were caught red handed.


I know, you thought you would get away with it, scamming only the larger bets, once in a while. But justice has been served and your site will not scam anyone anymore.

[james.lent]

Guess he's butt-hurt because he got caught red-handed. Nice catch rambeazle and to RollinCoin.com, better luck scamming next time mate.

[NLNico]

To be honest I don't really understand what he is saying in that reply.

But just in case someone doesn't understand it. These are the hashes:

Your site	Archived site
8eaf55f805d3d051dfc5151073ac9efd 3509c457c164d3a813c833cb9f62a990 f43d368fb63b177a65fb65c511d74962 a85492b89a34cfd7dbedc7f8c91c16e1 4dfd43d2da6e1a0b65802721a6f3babf      b9119f5f3fbdfdccc1ac3c5f22361626      eb5c6ed29f8559b68bf4aa75adb13560      896ae32161795e8901d72977d1eb9e71 9e88dfe532d59e30b9b78d845b4c0e59  87b1dd267ff439349095cc9c961e3cd6	8eaf55f805d3d051dfc5151073ac9efd fe3b7dee0cf7cb7ea552995675306786      f43d368fb63b177a65fb65c511d74962      a85492b89a34cfd7dbedc7f8c91c16e1      4dfd43d2da6e1a0b65802721a6f3babf      b9119f5f3fbdfdccc1ac3c5f22361626      eb5c6ed29f8559b68bf4aa75adb13560 896ae32161795e8901d72977d1eb9e71      9e88dfe532d59e30b9b78d845b4c0e59      87b1dd267ff439349095cc9c961e3cd6

Clearly 1 hash was changed. The archived site is on the well-known site archive.org, which is not a screenshot and cannot be "photoshopped". Also some of the unused hashes are still the same today so that "day changed" BS doesn't make sense either.

[RollinCoin.com]

To be honest I don't really understand what he is saying in that reply.

But just in case someone doesn't understand it. These are the hashes:

Your site	Archived site
8eaf55f805d3d051dfc5151073ac9efd 3509c457c164d3a813c833cb9f62a990 f43d368fb63b177a65fb65c511d74962 a85492b89a34cfd7dbedc7f8c91c16e1 4dfd43d2da6e1a0b65802721a6f3babf      b9119f5f3fbdfdccc1ac3c5f22361626      eb5c6ed29f8559b68bf4aa75adb13560      896ae32161795e8901d72977d1eb9e71 9e88dfe532d59e30b9b78d845b4c0e59  87b1dd267ff439349095cc9c961e3cd6	8eaf55f805d3d051dfc5151073ac9efd fe3b7dee0cf7cb7ea552995675306786      f43d368fb63b177a65fb65c511d74962      a85492b89a34cfd7dbedc7f8c91c16e1      4dfd43d2da6e1a0b65802721a6f3babf      b9119f5f3fbdfdccc1ac3c5f22361626      eb5c6ed29f8559b68bf4aa75adb13560 896ae32161795e8901d72977d1eb9e71      9e88dfe532d59e30b9b78d845b4c0e59      87b1dd267ff439349095cc9c961e3cd6

Clearly 1 hash was changed. The archived site is on the well-known site archive.org, which is not a screenshot and cannot be "photoshopped". Also some of the unused hashes are still the same today so that "day changed" BS doesn't make sense either.

what?

where archived another day?

before bet hash been 3509c457c164d3a813c833cb9f62a990.

he not checked md5 hash before.

this not proof!

[rambeazle]

To be honest I don't really understand what he is saying in that reply.

But just in case someone doesn't understand it. These are the hashes:

Your site	Archived site
8eaf55f805d3d051dfc5151073ac9efd 3509c457c164d3a813c833cb9f62a990 f43d368fb63b177a65fb65c511d74962 a85492b89a34cfd7dbedc7f8c91c16e1 4dfd43d2da6e1a0b65802721a6f3babf      b9119f5f3fbdfdccc1ac3c5f22361626      eb5c6ed29f8559b68bf4aa75adb13560      896ae32161795e8901d72977d1eb9e71 9e88dfe532d59e30b9b78d845b4c0e59  87b1dd267ff439349095cc9c961e3cd6	8eaf55f805d3d051dfc5151073ac9efd fe3b7dee0cf7cb7ea552995675306786      f43d368fb63b177a65fb65c511d74962      a85492b89a34cfd7dbedc7f8c91c16e1      4dfd43d2da6e1a0b65802721a6f3babf      b9119f5f3fbdfdccc1ac3c5f22361626      eb5c6ed29f8559b68bf4aa75adb13560 896ae32161795e8901d72977d1eb9e71      9e88dfe532d59e30b9b78d845b4c0e59      87b1dd267ff439349095cc9c961e3cd6

Clearly 1 hash was changed. The archived site is on the well-known site archive.org, which is not a screenshot and cannot be "photoshopped". Also some of the unused hashes are still the same today so that "day changed" BS doesn't make sense either.

what?

where archived another day?

before bet hash been 3509c457c164d3a813c833cb9f62a990.

he not checked md5 hash before.

this not proof!

Its funny, he obviously has to know how he intentionally scammed me, yet he decides to go with the "i dont understand, what are you talking about" defense.

Do you really think this will work? Seriously, what are your expectations?

[NLNico]

To be honest I don't really understand what he is saying in that reply.

But just in case someone doesn't understand it. These are the hashes:

Your site	Archived site
8eaf55f805d3d051dfc5151073ac9efd 3509c457c164d3a813c833cb9f62a990 f43d368fb63b177a65fb65c511d74962 a85492b89a34cfd7dbedc7f8c91c16e1 4dfd43d2da6e1a0b65802721a6f3babf      b9119f5f3fbdfdccc1ac3c5f22361626      eb5c6ed29f8559b68bf4aa75adb13560      896ae32161795e8901d72977d1eb9e71 9e88dfe532d59e30b9b78d845b4c0e59  87b1dd267ff439349095cc9c961e3cd6	8eaf55f805d3d051dfc5151073ac9efd fe3b7dee0cf7cb7ea552995675306786      f43d368fb63b177a65fb65c511d74962      a85492b89a34cfd7dbedc7f8c91c16e1      4dfd43d2da6e1a0b65802721a6f3babf      b9119f5f3fbdfdccc1ac3c5f22361626      eb5c6ed29f8559b68bf4aa75adb13560 896ae32161795e8901d72977d1eb9e71      9e88dfe532d59e30b9b78d845b4c0e59      87b1dd267ff439349095cc9c961e3cd6

Clearly 1 hash was changed. The archived site is on the well-known site archive.org, which is not a screenshot and cannot be "photoshopped". Also some of the unused hashes are still the same today so that "day changed" BS doesn't make sense either.

what?

where archived another day?

before bet hash been 3509c457c164d3a813c833cb9f62a990.

he not checked md5 hash before.

this not proof!

You try to suggest that you change the hashes every day or something. But the unused future hashes are the same currently on your site and on the archived site, therefore the day is not relevant at all.




Anyway, not wasting any more time on this. Your site is an obvious scam and I assume everyone is smart enough to figure that out now.