There IS life after DEATH: Scientists reveal shock findings

[worhiper_-_]

oh thats actually really interesting.  i was going to facepalm at the beginning because every time i see such a tittle its most likely religious things...
 but it was very interesting ^^. and i have heard just like others over here, about people waking up after 30 minutes of being dead or something. Thats amazing!

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oh thats actually really interesting.  i was going to facepalm at the beginning because every time i see such a tittle its most likely religious things...
 but it was very interesting ^^. and i have heard just like others over here, about people waking up after 30 minutes of being dead or something. Thats amazing!

after that duration majority/all of your braincells are dead.

[impulse709]

there are actually a few study's that suggest consciousness continues after death. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/bering-in-mind/ian-stevensone28099s-case-for-the-afterlife-are-we-e28098skepticse28099-really-just-cynics/  that said this does not mean i think there is an all mighty god... 

[Cresciuanto]

yes it is a fact. being Muslim we believe it that there is life after death. i think there are other religions who also have a strong believe that there is life after death.

Why don't you guys just kill yourself and go straight to paradise?  If you believe in life after death, why bother waiting for death.  Just do it and live forever in the afterlife.

Why are you waiting for death?

You just don't get it, do you? Paradise isn't the most important thing. Worshiping and praising God is way more important - recognizing He exists is the start of praise.

God placed us here for reasons of His own. Suicide is an attempt at nullifying God's purposes in placing us here, thereby becoming counter to praise and worship. This makes suicide a separation from Paradise, but an entrance into Hell.

To be sure, there are times when self-inflicted death is praising God. "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."

Living and dying for God is way more important than Paradise. Paradise is simply the aftereffect of living and dying for God.

we are the owner of our life it is to God and has the power to take it. we cannot take the life of even an animal . Allah says that he created humans for his worship in this world ans he will give us the reward in the second life. in this world all the things are for the benifit of human so we should thanks all and worship Him in this life

Sounds like your God has some confidence issues.  Probably was molested as a child.

Asking to be worshiped?  What for? so that he can feel better about himself?  Is he some insecure child? 

Muslims are taking lives of animals, including other humans as we speak. 

It seems to me you guys don't really believe in after life.  If you did, you would kill yourself without hesitation.

this life is not our to take. it is the property of our Allah and He has the right to take it. Allah create human for His worship and made this world and all animals ans birds desert oceans mountains and plants and trees for the benefit of human. and we are getting benefit from the world.

[BADecker]

yes it is a fact. being Muslim we believe it that there is life after death. i think there are other religions who also have a strong believe that there is life after death.

Why don't you guys just kill yourself and go straight to paradise?  If you believe in life after death, why bother waiting for death.  Just do it and live forever in the afterlife.

Why are you waiting for death?

You just don't get it, do you? Paradise isn't the most important thing. Worshiping and praising God is way more important - recognizing He exists is the start of praise.

God placed us here for reasons of His own. Suicide is an attempt at nullifying God's purposes in placing us here, thereby becoming counter to praise and worship. This makes suicide a separation from Paradise, but an entrance into Hell.

To be sure, there are times when self-inflicted death is praising God. "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."

Living and dying for God is way more important than Paradise. Paradise is simply the aftereffect of living and dying for God.

we are the owner of our life it is to God and has the power to take it. we cannot take the life of even an animal . Allah says that he created humans for his worship in this world ans he will give us the reward in the second life. in this world all the things are for the benifit of human so we should thanks all and worship Him in this life

Sounds like your God has some confidence issues.  Probably was molested as a child.

Asking to be worshiped?  What for? so that he can feel better about himself?  Is he some insecure child? 

Muslims are taking lives of animals, including other humans as we speak. 

It seems to me you guys don't really believe in after life.  If you did, you would kill yourself without hesitation.

this life is not our to take. it is the property of our Allah and He has the right to take it. Allah create human for His worship and made this world and all animals ans birds desert oceans mountains and plants and trees for the benefit of human. and we are getting benefit from the world.

Do you know Arabic? What I mean is, you translate your words into English, and type them into this forum. Why don't you translate "Allah" into English just like all the other words you translate into English?

[af_newbie]

yes it is a fact. being Muslim we believe it that there is life after death. i think there are other religions who also have a strong believe that there is life after death.

Why don't you guys just kill yourself and go straight to paradise?  If you believe in life after death, why bother waiting for death.  Just do it and live forever in the afterlife.

Why are you waiting for death?

You just don't get it, do you? Paradise isn't the most important thing. Worshiping and praising God is way more important - recognizing He exists is the start of praise.

God placed us here for reasons of His own. Suicide is an attempt at nullifying God's purposes in placing us here, thereby becoming counter to praise and worship. This makes suicide a separation from Paradise, but an entrance into Hell.

To be sure, there are times when self-inflicted death is praising God. "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."

Living and dying for God is way more important than Paradise. Paradise is simply the aftereffect of living and dying for God.

we are the owner of our life it is to God and has the power to take it. we cannot take the life of even an animal . Allah says that he created humans for his worship in this world ans he will give us the reward in the second life. in this world all the things are for the benifit of human so we should thanks all and worship Him in this life

Sounds like your God has some confidence issues.  Probably was molested as a child.

Asking to be worshiped?  What for? so that he can feel better about himself?  Is he some insecure child?  

Muslims are taking lives of animals, including other humans as we speak.  

It seems to me you guys don't really believe in after life.  If you did, you would kill yourself without hesitation.

this life is not our to take. it is the property of our Allah and He has the right to take it. Allah create human for His worship and made this world and all animals ans birds desert oceans mountains and plants and trees for the benefit of human. and we are getting benefit from the world.

Except, the Muslims are the ones pulling the trigger.  I guess it is Allah in your twisted mind.

[kaitou.kidd]

I believe there is. you will other people that have died, when you die your spirit goes to spiritual prison or spiritual paradise depending on your actions on earth, then you are resurected and you will have the final judgement for your actions on earth and you will either go to the telestial(lowest kingdom), terestrial(middle kingdom), or celestial(highest kingdom where jesus and god are) kingdom.

[hermanhs09]

If this study is further and confirmed, many who believe in life after death (as terrorists) will be more motivated in their cause what is bad.

And the religious fanatics will talk more nonsense

In my country, the healer will have more fanatics to join their cause

I do not think this is good news

Same here,probably it is rather a bad news,not a good one.
Anyway does it change's anything in our life? my opinion is just enjoy live,if something really exists after death,there is no reason to get scared of it or something,it will come to us for some day surely.

[alplaxxx]

Life after death,death is a depressingly inevitable consequence of life, but now scientists believe they may have found some light at the end of the tunnel. The largest ever medical study into near-death and out-of-body experiences has discovered that some awareness may continue even after the brain has shut down completely. according to the bible The existence of life after death is a universal question. Job speaks for all of us by stating, “Man born of woman is of few days and full of trouble. He springs up like a flower and withers away; like a fleeting shadow, he does not endure....If a man dies, will he live again"

[Mayuyu48]

So you neurons are firing longer than they initially thought after your heart stops.

You class that as living?

Seems just like a slightly longer descent into nothingness to me.

I back you on this.
You can't possibly count that as living just because theres' activity in neural pathways for a few minutes.
On the other hand the few minutes of activity could be perceived as a whole life time in the dying persons experience.
So it might not be nothingness after all.

[designerusa]

LIFE after death has been "confirmed" by scientists who have discovered consciousness continues even once a person has died.



In a large scale study of more than 2,000 people, British boffins confirmed that thoughts DO carry on after the heart stops.

The shock research has also uncovered the most convincing evidence of an out of body experience for a patient declared dead.

It had been believed the brain stopped all activity 30 seconds after the heart had stopped pumping blood around the body, and that with that, awareness ceases too.

However, the study from the University of Southampton shows people still experience awareness for up to three minutes after they had been pronounced dead.


Lead researcher Dr Sam Parnia said: "Contrary to perception, death is not a specific moment but a potentially reversible process that occurs after any severe illness or accident causes the heart, lungs and brain to cease functioning.

"If attempts are made to reverse this process, it is referred to as 'cardiac arrest'; however, if these attempts do not succeed it is called ‘death’."

Of the 2,060 patients from Austria, the US and the UK interviewed for the study who had survived cardiac arrest, almost 40 per cent said that they recall some form of awareness after being pronounced clinically dead.

Dr Parnia continued: "This suggests more people may have mental activity initially but then lose their memories after recovery, either due to the effects of brain injury or sedative drugs on memory recall.”


Of those who said they had experienced some awareness, just two per cent said their experience was consistent with the feeling of an outer body experience – where one feels completely aware and can hear and see what’s going on around them after death.

Almost half of the respondents said the experience was not of awareness, but rather of fear.

However, the most significant finding of the study is that of a 57-year old man who is perhaps the first confirmed outer body experience in a patient.


The man was able to recall with eerie accuracy what was going on around him after he had ‘died’ temporarily.

Dr Parnia continued: "This is significant, since it has often been assumed that experiences in relation to death are likely hallucinations or illusions occurring either before the heart stops or after the heart has been successfully restarted, but not an experience corresponding with 'real' events when the heart isn't beating.

"In this case, consciousness and awareness appeared to occur during a three-minute period when there was no heartbeat.


“This is paradoxical, since the brain typically ceases functioning within 20-30 seconds of the heart stopping and doesn't resume again until the heart has been restarted.

“Furthermore, the detailed recollections of visual awareness in this case were consistent with verified events."


http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientists-reveal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study



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Science is settled. Now we can move on and make fun people and destroy the lives of those who do not believe: the deniers...

 

according to me,  all these evidents are fake and these are made up by the fundamentalists and religious people. if there was a life after death, science could explain it very scientifically but not for sure..

[qwik2learn]

So you neurons are firing longer than they initially thought after your heart stops.

You class that as living?

Seems just like a slightly longer descent into nothingness to me.

I back you on this.
You can't possibly count that as living just because theres' activity in neural pathways for a few minutes.
On the other hand the few minutes of activity could be perceived as a whole life time in the dying persons experience.
So it might not be nothingness after all.

You are under the mistaken impression that there was brain activity when in fact there was flat EEG and no blood flow for over two minutes. Aside from the evidence of veridical perception, there is NO evidence that awareness can occur after (less than) 40 seconds of cardiac arrest.

The observation that consciousness has occurred during a period when the brain was non-functional leads to the conclusion that "A high level of consciousness while physically unconscious is medically unexplained", and this conclusion is perfectly in line with the discoveries of experimental neuroscience like the following:

"ongoing [brain] activity fluctuations ... constitute an essential property of the neural architecture underlying cognition"

We should surely all by now be able to recognise that [NDE is] a coherent and relatively common human experience, and one that has relevance to the human condition, on a personal and on a cultural level. So let's stop pretending that it's simply some weird nonsense that happens when the brain winds down, and nothing really to worry about. Let's instead ask ourselves why, if we are the creatures formed by natural selection that [we] believe ourselves to be, something as odd and yet as meaningful as the near-death experience could ever have evolved. What's the purpose of it?

You are misinformed: The 40 second rule for brain activity (and consciousness) is a fact of human physiology with a sound basis in neurophysiology. According to today's science, the issue is actually settled:

0) The intricate relationship between the brain and its higher functions is never more apparent than when the brain becomes dysfunctional. How can a physicalist explain a higher-functioning mind when the underlying brain is dysfunctional and offline? This point alone stretches credulity to the breaking point and introduces far too much complexity to make physicalism a viable theory.

Read more: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1424793.msg14935983#msg14935983

[qwik2learn]

You are under the mistaken impression that there was brain activity when in fact there was flat EEG and no blood flow for over two minutes. Aside from the evidence of veridical perception, there is NO evidence that awareness can occur after (less than) 40 seconds of cardiac arrest.

It is shocking that so many in this thread did not carefully analyze the results of this study and instead formed their own opinions on the basis of NO EVIDENCE.

Your arguments appear to be based on scientism with assumptions that survival is impossible even though survival has not been ruled out. Pseudo-skeptical arguments are being made that do not consider the entire body of circumstantial evidence supporting the possibility of survival or do not consider the possibility of new paradigms. Such pseudo-skeptical arguments are being made without any scientific evidence.

The evidence of this case is quite clear and has been stated to you numerous times; it is interesting that you give no specific rebuttal to any point of evidence that Parnia claims for his study:

1) "In this case, consciousness and awareness appeared to occur during a three-minute period when there was no heartbeat."

2) “This is paradoxical, since the brain typically ceases functioning within 20-30 seconds of the heart stopping and doesn't resume again until the heart has been restarted. "

3) “Furthermore, the detailed recollections of visual awareness in this case were consistent with verified events."

The results of this case study are not considered to be proven? Then which claims are in doubt? Do you doubt the medical staff as credible witnesses? Do you doubt that the brain ceases its higher functions after (less than) 40 seconds of cardiac arrest? Do you doubt that the patient had recollections that were consistent with the verified events described by the medical staff? Which of these claims are in doubt and why?

[arielman]

When you have faith in God, you don't need to read all types of studies of scientists if there is life after death. Faith makes you be sure that life doesn't end here and God has more plans with us. Life is not only about the period we live on earth!

[Vishnu.Reang]

The preliminary results seem encouraging. However, we are still in early stages of out of life research! This is also limited due to many beliefs that pre exist in our society. There needs to be coherence. For e.g., Hinduism believes in reincarnation but Christianity does not! So where will research start or which direction it will move? The convept of God itself varies from person to person. Hence, I believe there is still time to recognize the true nature of life after death or any other paranormal phenomenon for that matter

[WhaleHunter]

The case mentioned is quite intriguing. What it needs is a careful verification, double checking of sources and the absolute certainty that things happened as narrated.