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Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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alh
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May 24, 2016, 09:50:34 PM |
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Does Bitmain ever ship anything for FREE? Looks to me like a fatal flaw in an otherwise plausible scam......  |
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Rabinovitch
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May 26, 2016, 07:01:22 PM |
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ps_jb
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May 26, 2016, 07:13:55 PM |
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Biodom
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May 26, 2016, 07:17:45 PM |
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14th and 10btc is unviable. 14th and 2.5-3 BTC-maybe OK, still would be slightly overpriced going forward. |
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Sierra8561 (OP)
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May 26, 2016, 07:21:40 PM
Last edit: May 26, 2016, 08:24:18 PM by Sierra8561 |
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14th and 10btc is unviable. 14th and 2.5-3 BTC-maybe OK, still would be slightly overpriced going forward. I really like the idea of 14th in one unit. I guess it ultimately boils down to price. Hope they are reasonable. Edit: I guess it's safe to assume this is no longer speculation. Edit 2: As far as speculation, I was referring to the existence of something solid from bitmain acknowledging the s9. |
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philipma1957
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May 26, 2016, 07:49:17 PM |
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so it is still speculation
we know 14th
we do not know
watts?
price?
when does it ship?
if it gets .095 watts and does 1350 watts 1 psu it would be a beast a killer a monster.
if it gets .15 watts a gh 2100 watts and needs 2 psu's meh!
price has real meaning for us. it is 3 s-7's
so 3btc would be too low
say 7 btc if it uses 1 psu and only 1350 watts
maybe 6 btc if it uses 2 psus and 2200 watts
roi on a 7 btc 14th unit is hard to do
if it were 4-5btc it is an easy choice.
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Sierra8561 (OP)
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May 26, 2016, 08:27:45 PM |
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so it is still speculation
we know 14th
we do not know
watts?
price?
when does it ship?
if it gets .095 watts and does 1350 watts 1 psu it would be a beast a killer a monster.
if it gets .15 watts a gh 2100 watts and needs 2 psu's meh!
price has real meaning for us. it is 3 s-7's
so 3btc would be too low
say 7 btc if it uses 1 psu and only 1350 watts
maybe 6 btc if it uses 2 psus and 2200 watts
roi on a 7 btc 14th unit is hard to do
if it were 4-5btc it is an easy choice.
You are correct that price and power consumption will have a giant impact. As far as when? My bet is any day now. But that's just more speculation  |
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adaseb
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May 26, 2016, 08:32:45 PM |
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No wonder they are selling the S7 so cheap now.
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alh
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May 26, 2016, 08:43:40 PM |
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I don't expect any significant shipment s for at least a month. If they ship it in a week, that only further depresses the value of the used S7's they are selling.
If some other manufacturer produces something real, that might change their timing.
It will be interesting to watch, kind of, but I am unlikely to buy one.
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philipma1957
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May 26, 2016, 09:38:19 PM |
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I don't expect any significant shipment s for at least a month. If they ship it in a week, that only further depresses the value of the used S7's they are selling.
If some other manufacturer produces something real, that might change their timing.
It will be interesting to watch, kind of, but I am unlikely to buy one.
they could price it low for the first two batches just to put a hurt on bitfury. |
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Sierra8561 (OP)
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May 26, 2016, 09:50:19 PM |
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I don't expect any significant shipment s for at least a month. If they ship it in a week, that only further depresses the value of the used S7's they are selling.
If some other manufacturer produces something real, that might change their timing.
It will be interesting to watch, kind of, but I am unlikely to buy one.
they could price it low for the first two batches just to put a hurt on bitfury. That would be a good idea. I'd buy as many as I could. Now that bitfury has no use for the average miner I now feel the same way about them. |
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Biodom
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May 26, 2016, 10:00:58 PM |
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so it is still speculation
we know 14th
we do not know
watts?
price?
when does it ship?
if it gets .095 watts and does 1350 watts 1 psu it would be a beast a killer a monster.
if it gets .15 watts a gh 2100 watts and needs 2 psu's meh!
price has real meaning for us. it is 3 s-7's
so 3btc would be too low
say 7 btc if it uses 1 psu and only 1350 watts
maybe 6 btc if it uses 2 psus and 2200 watts
roi on a 7 btc 14th unit is hard to do
if it were 4-5btc it is an easy choice.
why would around 3btc for 14 th be too low? S7 is priced at 420 (used), but S7 has still 1.5mo useful life until halving. 14/4.73=2.95 (multiplication factor) 2.95X 450 (for new S7)= $1327. Add $200-300 for increased efficiency and you'll get $1500 a.k.a 3.3 BTC. You'll have to consider that while producing maybe $450 in profit (with 8.9 c electric) until halving, it will slow to a crawl of $220/mo afterwards (even without diffuculty adjustment), so even $1500 will maybe breakeven in 6-8 mo or even later if difficulty increase rapidly. At 3-3.3 btc i might buy one, at above I will simply buy bitcoin for now. |
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ps_jb
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May 26, 2016, 10:58:58 PM |
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The numbers you guys are showing and calculating are based on customers' needs
Price will be 7-10BTC - because profit for BTM from it will be 2-3 times higher
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fanatic26
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May 26, 2016, 11:08:24 PM |
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The numbers you guys are showing and calculating are based on customers' needs
Price will be 7-10BTC - because profit for BTM from it will be 2-3 times higher
I seriously do not get why people are expecting a brand new design top of the line miner for peanuts. Please how me one piece of hardware from a major asic manufacturer that did not have a premium on its price for the first few months of production. Also lowering its price on new units to 'hurt' bitfury? Uhhh....what? |
Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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Sierra8561 (OP)
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May 26, 2016, 11:13:15 PM |
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The numbers you guys are showing and calculating are based on customers' needs
Price will be 7-10BTC - because profit for BTM from it will be 2-3 times higher
I seriously do not get why people are expecting a brand new design top of the line miner for peanuts. Please how me one piece of hardware from a major asic manufacturer that did not have a premium on its price for the first few months of production. Also lowering its price on new units to 'hurt' bitfury? Uhhh....what? Only time will tell. I certainly am not expecting the price to be peanuts. But on the other hand at 10 btc I won't be a buyer. |
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Biodom
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May 26, 2016, 11:17:56 PM |
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The numbers you guys are showing and calculating are based on customers' needs
Price will be 7-10BTC - because profit for BTM from it will be 2-3 times higher
If the price is out of balance, who would pay it? I will rather pay it to myself, then get it in 3 mo for less than half the price. Or I would go to Microcenter tomorrow and get GTX 1080 instead for just $599. |
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Sierra8561 (OP)
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May 26, 2016, 11:19:52 PM |
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The numbers you guys are showing and calculating are based on customers' needs
Price will be 7-10BTC - because profit for BTM from it will be 2-3 times higher
Come mid July after halving that won't be the case. |
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Biodom
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May 26, 2016, 11:22:17 PM |
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The numbers you guys are showing and calculating are based on customers' needs
Price will be 7-10BTC - because profit for BTM from it will be 2-3 times higher
Come mid July after halving that won't be the case. to think that they think (as the OP says) that we are all stupid and don't know about halving would be a bit too much. |
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