first bitmain antminer S10 speculation thread (probably)

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Hope you packed for a long stay as nothing on the Horizon at all.

[sangwookie]

I would think that by now Samsung and the other big firms would be making better chips but they are probably NOT going to put them on the market because it would seem like money laundering. I am over the s9. It's still profitable now but it will be a dinosaur by the time a new one comes out. I hope it will be 25-30 THS and hopefully, it will lower power consumption.

Shit, imagine what Apple could do (or possibly they have done) with their version of a bitcoin ASIC. It would probably be faster and with low power consumption.

[fanatic26]

I think a lot of people dont quite understand that while these large chip using companies buy lots of processing chips, they are wildly different thant a bitcoin ASIC. Fundamentally, all these companies looking to power portable hardware and are trying to make the least amount of heat and power draw while bitcoin asics are the polar opposite. Asic manufacturers are trying to stuff as much power into a small space as possible. Also, the asic market is tiny, a drop in the bucket compared to what these large chipmakers deal with. There is no real incentive for them to spend all that R&D on a niche market that wont give them much of a return.

Also, imagine if the big companies like samsung, intel, and apple did make a chip and mass produce it. The difficulty would spike like never before and all of you would be complaining that they are flooding the market just like you do with bitmain now.

[QuintLeo]

It's been awhile of no news about s10
anyone heard anything?

I waiting here to buy those s10 antminers

 You're probably going to die before a S10 model shows up - as has already been explained.

 S11 - likely to be a while unless Bitmain decides to do a "new model" on the same 14/16 nm node but on one of the "newer more efficient" process varients - for a fairly SMALL gain in efficiency.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

I think a lot of people dont quite understand that while these large chip using companies buy lots of processing chips, they are wildly different thant a bitcoin ASIC. Fundamentally, all these companies looking to power portable hardware and are trying to make the least amount of heat and power draw while bitcoin asics are the polar opposite. Asic manufacturers are trying to stuff as much power into a small space as possible. Also, the asic market is tiny, a drop in the bucket compared to what these large chipmakers deal with. There is no real incentive for them to spend all that R&D on a niche market that wont give them much of a return.

Also, imagine if the big companies like samsung, intel, and apple did make a chip and mass produce it. The difficulty would spike like never before and all of you would be complaining that they are flooding the market just like you do with bitmain now.

One of the few times a post is so spot-on I've quoted the entire thing
As you said, these smaller and smaller nodes and the processes of making them are targeting very complex LOW POWER applications. In most cases such as the Arm Cortex, entire Systems On a Chip (SOC's) that even running full-tilt consume less that 0.5 watts. That does not easily translate into a shitload of simple but densely-packed SHA cores on a chip sucking in over 10W...

Plus, as ya said: Diff would go through the roof. Be careful of what you wish for without thinking it through - you just might get it...

[stringinator]

I think you know nothing about Bitmain mining machines and you are such a novice to mining machine segment and was not accepting this type of statement from a legendary member that bitmain only manufactures a couple of thousand miners each batch WHAT A JOKE
Bitmain has currently 3 active models S9,L3+ and D3  and if you look at bitmain Chinese website and have a common sense to use a Google translator you will know that in each batch their are around 5000 miners and with 3 to 4 batch released every month for each batch it makes around 45000 miners only for Chinese market and the same quantity  for international market it make around 80k to 90k miners and if you multiply it by 189 and 288 chips for some models you will get a hell lot a figure not as big as APPLE but a substantial number.

Nice reply, I'm with you Kamal on this.  You clearly know what you're talking about.  I have been in the ASIC business for 30 years and have done over a dozen tapeouts with TSMC. 

[fm1984]

I think a lot of people dont quite understand that while these large chip using companies buy lots of processing chips, they are wildly different thant a bitcoin ASIC. Fundamentally, all these companies looking to power portable hardware and are trying to make the least amount of heat and power draw while bitcoin asics are the polar opposite. Asic manufacturers are trying to stuff as much power into a small space as possible. Also, the asic market is tiny, a drop in the bucket compared to what these large chipmakers deal with. There is no real incentive for them to spend all that R&D on a niche market that wont give them much of a return.

Also, imagine if the big companies like samsung, intel, and apple did make a chip and mass produce it. The difficulty would spike like never before and all of you would be complaining that they are flooding the market just like you do with bitmain now.

So do you think it is still good time to buy s9 miner?

Thanks for good advice and explanations!


greetings

[kodokbuduk]

Hm... bitmain website down at the moment, maybe because of all the BCH stuff? :-)

I cant access bitmain too

[castiel0504]

I think a lot of people dont quite understand that while these large chip using companies buy lots of processing chips, they are wildly different thant a bitcoin ASIC. Fundamentally, all these companies looking to power portable hardware and are trying to make the least amount of heat and power draw while bitcoin asics are the polar opposite. Asic manufacturers are trying to stuff as much power into a small space as possible. Also, the asic market is tiny, a drop in the bucket compared to what these large chipmakers deal with. There is no real incentive for them to spend all that R&D on a niche market that wont give them much of a return.

Also, imagine if the big companies like samsung, intel, and apple did make a chip and mass produce it. The difficulty would spike like never before and all of you would be complaining that they are flooding the market just like you do with bitmain now.

So do you think it is still good time to buy s9 miner?

Thanks for good advice and explanations!


greetings

Numbers are good, but there are few ways to go. You can order Avalon miner, you can wait for 4 more months and wait to see is 16TH/S Dragonmint miner real(some weird things about there going on just use search), you can order from Baikal(buying through them is hell). Or you can order from Bitmain and wait for 2 months for your S9. Or you can just buy BTC and HODL.

Regarding the S10... As we can see in current moment how S9 works(and numbers associated with that) i don't think they will release it anytime soon(Maybe FAMOUS TULIP MINER that will crush Dragonmint! /s). I really liked ceratin topic that i have seen but can't find it right now. What was spoken there is "they secretly made S10 for themselves, and selling S9s as is) when S9s become obsolete they will start selling S10s.. But hey again this is just a thought(but i liked it )