Roger Ver and blocksize

[gmaxwell]

He owns 100,000+ BTC,

Oft, claimed, never proved-- I bet him and Wright are great buddies.  Maybe it was true at one point, but one doesn't retaining 100,000 BTC by buying loads of ripple, ethereum, and every other highly hyped altcoin that comes around.

If it is true, it's remarkable and sad-- to own so much bitcoin and yet spend none of it to help further the development of Bitcoin... and instead just investing in putting a sleazy looking gambling site on Bitcoin.com (and filling the site with pro ethereum news).

[beastmodeBiscuitGravy]

He owns 100,000+ BTC, not 100,000 shares of Blockstream. Pretty simple really.

Oft, claimed, never proved-- I bet him and Wright are great buddies.  Maybe it was true at one point, but one doesn't retaining 100,000 BTC by buying loads of ripple, ethereum, and every other highly hyped altcoin that comes around.

If it is true, it's remarkable and sad-- to own so much bitcoin and yet spend none of it to help further the development of Bitcoin... and instead just investing in putting a sleazy looking gambling site on Bitcoin.com (and filling the site with pro ethereum news).

Less than 0.15% of all bitcoin in existence has revealed its owner’s intention on your oft cited website. I know I wouldn’t be linking my opinions and addresses directly and publicly like this… The sample size is so minuscule as to be perfectly useless, yet you gleefully raise it wherever you can.

My impression is that Roger is heavily invested in Bitcoin, both financially and ideologically, and wants it to succeed. He argues that miners should be the ones determining their own min. fees, not having fees determined by bidding wars between users to fit in a centrally planned production quota.

Like many others, it appears he signed up to the idea that Bitcoin’s economic incentives govern its trajectory and growth, not a handful of insular wizards that have a glaring conflict of interest. Don’t you see? If Bitcoin is reliant on you and your friends to protect it with production quotas, it’s doomed to failure and/or irrelevance.

Looking for alternatives while Bitcoin’s potential growth is currently capped, and LN is not ready to take pressure off, is a sign of an astute businessman. Bitcoin does not have a monopoly on cryptographic value transfer, and only a fool would say it does while it is being purposefully handicapped. I know you are not a fool, which is why some question your incentives and motivations.

[Cuntabula]

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If it is true, it's remarkable and sad-- to own so much bitcoin and yet spend none of it to help further the development of Bitcoin ...

Not as bad as Satoshi, but yeah, pretty bad...

[AlgoSwan]

Part of it would be to drive new traffic to his bitcoin.com and subdomains. He has a forum that is not doing very well and a casino to promote.

Smart people remain rich, lucky people remain confused.

[rizzlarolla]

Why is Roger Ver continually making posts/complaints about the block size issues on facebook/twitter? I thought segregated witness was already being rolled out and will continue to be rolled out over the next few months while a longer term solution is developed? With the current bitcoin price the community doesn't seem to be fretting over this issue like they were in the past.

Can someone enlighten me?

Twitter, you t***?
Go to Ver's forum and ask him why, then report back, thanks.

Posted in loo of 1 btc from Ver.

[rizzlarolla]

He owns 100,000+ BTC,

Oft, claimed, never proved-- I bet him and Wright are great buddies.  Maybe it was true at one point, but one doesn't retaining 100,000 BTC by buying loads of ripple, ethereum, and every other highly hyped altcoin that comes around.

If it is true, it's remarkable and sad-- to own so much bitcoin and yet spend none of it to help further the development of Bitcoin... and instead just investing in putting a sleazy looking gambling site on Bitcoin.com (and filling the site with pro ethereum news).

Yeah maybe, maybe not.
How much you betting?

Posted in loo of another Ver btc.

[Cuntabula]

Posted in loo of 1 btc from Ver.

*lieu?
But love the FU factor (no sarcasm)

[rizzlarolla]

Part of it would be to drive new traffic to his bitcoin.com and subdomains. He has a forum that is not doing very well and a casino to promote.

Is that a real magazine?

Who paid for this opinion of yours?
Are you grumpy cos Ver has not employed your services yet?

(lol above ^ noted)

[yayayo]

Roger Ver is just another bankster mouthpiece working with people like Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn. Don't let the "freedom" credentials fool you, he either uses that as rhetorical device (and only wants freedom for himself+friends), or he's simply a useful idiot to said banksters (entirely possible).

After all, why would Roger be promoting alternative development plans that endanger the network? Freedom also includes the freedom to be a total idiot, apparently.

Couldn't have said it any better! Just look at his self-portrayal that is a narcissistic masterpiece. I'm really grateful that Core is still being developed by sane and intelligent individuals, who did not give up despite the frequent sh*tstorms by the Gavinista gang.

Ver and his buddies do not care about Bitcoin at all. All they care is making more money for themselves, no matter the method. So for me it is well imaginable that Ver is trying to negatively influence the Bitcoin community, simply because he is heavily invested in some Altcoin that might profit from Bitcoin looking bad. Luckily Ver's media visibility is not too pronounced and has been vanishing lately. Bitcoin.com never took really off, because the PR strategy for it was ideologically framed from the very start.

ya.ya.yo!

[Carlton Banks]

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If it is true, it's remarkable and sad-- to own so much bitcoin and yet spend none of it to help further the development of Bitcoin ...

Not as bad as Satoshi, but yeah, pretty bad...

Satoshi had talent to offer.

[rizzlarolla]

(entirely possible).

After all, why would Roger be promoting alternative development plans that endanger the network? Freedom also includes the freedom to be a total idiot, apparently.

I know who Ver is.
Who the f*** are you?

Who's network is he endangering?

Yeah, apparently.

[Carlton Banks]

(entirely possible).

After all, why would Roger be promoting alternative development plans that endanger the network? Freedom also includes the freedom to be a total idiot, apparently.

I know who Ver is.
Who the f*** are you?

yeah, because knowing Roger's identity makes everything he says true and everything I say false? Using your logic, your own statements are bereft of veracity, so why are we listening to you at all?

This logic thing, try thinking things through before putting your pie-holders on the keyboard. I promise you it works.

[Cuntabula]

your own statements are bereft of veracity

Jules: (smiles at Carlton Banks) Check out the big brain on Carlton! You're a smart motherfucker. That's right, bereft of veracity.

[Carlton Banks]

Can anyone guess which accounts are Roger Ver's sock-puppets? You're a sad, sad man, Roger

[chopstick]

Hah, as if Ver needs sockpuppet accounts. Keep on smoking the crack Carlton

[MemoryDealers]

The real question is why do you care what Roger Ver thinks? As far as I'm concerned, his opinions are as valuable as those of any other random human on this planet. He dislikes Core, he dislikes Segwit, and r/bitcoin and BTCT. Do I need to say more?

Way to put words in my mouth!

For the record:
I like Core,  but they are misguided on the economics of this issue.
I love Segwit, but it was supposed to be ready in April, and would only buy a few months of extra time if 100% of the wallets implemented it instantly.
I loved /r/Bitcoin and Bitcointalk, and was a daily user before all the censorship by Theymos took over.
Just look at /r/Bitcoin,  people aren't even allowed to see the up-votes or down-votes,  let alone post an opinion that is in disagreement with Theymos.
It makes me want to cry when I see how far things have strayed from the principles that early bitcoin users claimed to support.

[MemoryDealers]

He owns 100,000+ BTC,

Oft, claimed, never proved-- I bet him and Wright are great buddies.  Maybe it was true at one point, but one doesn't retaining 100,000 BTC by buying loads of ripple, ethereum, and every other highly hyped altcoin that comes around.

If it is true, it's remarkable and sad-- to own so much bitcoin and yet spend none of it to help further the development of Bitcoin... and instead just investing in putting a sleazy looking gambling site on Bitcoin.com (and filling the site with pro ethereum news).

Greg, you should really be ashamed of yourself for attacking fellow members of this community who care so deeply about Bitcoin.

I nearly singlehandedly funded the entire first wave of Bitcoin adoption with well over a million dollars worth of money that I earned before I'd even heard of Bitcoin.
Since then I've spent 6.5 years of my life and about $20M USD worth of my own bitcoin promoting the ecosystem, including billboards and national radio ads.
I created the first website to accept Bitcoin for hundreds of thousands of products, kicking off the entire wave of Bitcoin merchant adoption around the world.  I also funded the seed rounds for most of the popular Bitcoin businesses today.

I thank you for your work on the core Bitcoin protocol, but you are a true black belt level troll.  

[iCEBREAKER]

I like Core,  but they are misguided on the economics of this issue.
I love Segwit, but it was supposed to be ready in April, and would only buy a few months of extra time if 100% of the wallets implemented it instantly.
I loved /r/Bitcoin and Bitcointalk, and was a daily user before all the censorship by Theymos took over.
Just look at /r/Bitcoin,  people aren't even allowed to see the up-votes or down-votes,  let alone post an opinion that is in disagreement with Theymos.
It makes me want to cry when I see how far things have strayed from the principles that early bitcoin users claimed to support.

In matters regarding the preservation of Bitcoin's incentive structure, Core's understanding of economics is superior to your own (LMK when you get a PhD in distributed systems, thus gaining credibility equal to Dr. Back's).

As a free market True Believer, you should have already accepted that as fact, since the socioeconomic majority is clearly behind Core (and loathes Klassique).

Instead we are treated to the spectacle of a supposedly pro-market Bitcoin Jesus Movementarian acting like a full-blooded Marxist, throwing his toys out the pram the instant he's relegated to (cranky, disruptive, contentious) minority status.

Gmax and I are apparently not on speaking terms due to disagreement over an ASIC pre-order fiasco in which we both (willingly) participated.

Having stated that disclaimer, I must remark upon your white belt level trolling.

Every single time you attack the socioeconomic majority, we effortlessly throw you to the mat and give you a friendly (hopefully educational) kick in the head.

But you learn nothing.

What are we to make of this?  How many times does XT/Klassique/Unlimiturd need to be dismissed by the market until you Get It?

As Bitcoin Jesus, I expect you to be first in grokking the ethos.  Instead, you do what you've been doing.

Hard to put words in your mouth when it is already occupied by Brian Armstrong's ****.  

[HostFat]

Way to put words in my mouth!

For the record:
I like Core,  but they are misguided on the economics of this issue.
I love Segwit, but it was supposed to be ready in April, and would only buy a few months of extra time if 100% of the wallets implemented it instantly.
I loved /r/Bitcoin and Bitcointalk, and was a daily user before all the censorship by Theymos took over.
Just look at /r/Bitcoin,  people aren't even allowed to see the up-votes or down-votes,  let alone post an opinion that is in disagreement with Theymos.
It makes me want to cry when I see how far things have strayed from the principles that early bitcoin users claimed to support.

I can't agree more.

[iCEBREAKER]

It makes me want to cry 

I can't agree more   

Enjoy your fits of poutraged pique and self-pitying sulking.

The rest of us will still be here when you guys build a bridge, and GET OVER IT.