UK EU referendum - should we come out of Nato as well ?

[practicaldreamer]

Just voted (by post) in the referendum. I voted to come out. I reckon over time power should become decentralised and accountable. Not the total opposite, as is the case with the EU. FWIW I think the immigration issue is a bit of a red herring - they let people in before, and they will let them in after Europe. How else they gonna keep wages down ?

Anyhow, according to the polls, the UK could well be pulling out of Europe.

Should there be a referendum about our membership of NATO ?

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[Fortify]

Why would we pull out of NATO? NATO requires any member state that is under attack to be supported by all other NATO states. I guess you love Corbyn too and his idea to get rid of our nuclear arsenal. NATO defends against conventional warfare, nuclear defends against absolute war.

[markj113]

Corbyn is a clown and his party doesnt have a chance of getting elected while he is captain of the ship.

You would have to a complete idiot to scrap Trident at this point, the world is becoming a more dangerous and not safer place.

[criptix]

Byebye - actually let the UK set an example for what happens

[markj113]

Byebye - actually let the UK set an example for what happens

So what is going to happen,

France/Germany going to suddenly stop selling their produce to us?

Trade works both ways and we can hit back just as hard if you start spitting your dummies out because we bailed from your sinking ship.

Merkel brought all this on, the bitch should be lined up against a wall and shot as a traitor.

Let me guess you live in one of the parasite countries.

Lets see what happens when the UK's £4.5 billion is no longer in the pot for the scroungers to fight over, after the UK France will shortly follow because the real people have had enough of the multi cultural experiment.

Net contributions:

[gentlemand]

I would be very intrigued to see the nato treaty conditions put to the test. I suspect it may not be as rock solid as some expect.

[criptix]

Byebye - actually let the UK set an example for what happens

So what is going to happen,

France/Germany going to suddenly stop selling their produce to us?

Trade works both ways and we can hit back just as hard if you start spitting your dummies out because we bailed from your sinking ship.

Merkel brought all this on, the bitch should be lined up against a wall and shot as a traitor.

Let me guess you live in one of the parasite countries.

Lets see what happens when the UK's £4.5 billion is no longer in the pot for the scroungers to fight over, after the UK France will shortly follow because the real people have had enough of the multi cultural experiment.

Net contributions:

Ok lets do so some reality check:

So what is going to happen,

France/Germany going to suddenly stop selling their produce to us?

Trade works both ways and we can hit back just as hard if you start spitting your dummies out because we bailed from your sinking ship.

EU BIP 2015: 14.625.373 Million €

UK BIP 2015: 2.568.941 Million €

=> 17,5 %

UK is neither dominating the EU econimacally nor politically.

In the end if it leaves and still wants to trade, there is only the skadinavian/CH solution.
But that would mean that UK is trolling itself (less rights, same trade agreements)

Lets see what happens when the UK's £4.5 billion is no longer in the pot for the scroungers to fight over, after the UK France will shortly follow because the real people have had enough of the multi cultural experiment.

Ever looked at the EU Budget? Im sure not, because else you would know that the budget from 2014-2020 is as high as 1 trillion € (10^12 €).
Lets do some easy math:
1 trillion € / 6 ~= 166.6 billion € (1.66 € * 10^11)

Ok, so the yearly EU budget is ~166.6 billion € from 2014-2017.

4,5 / 166,6 ~= 0,027 => 2,7%

much astonishing, so wow

btw. my taxes pay the fucking UK rabate and i live in a nation that stands above everyone else as a netto payer. -.-

so yeah parisites and stuff right? damn island monkeys

[Jet Cash]

The real problem is our association with the US. The US seems to be intent on forcing regime changes and destabilising Europe and Asia. They created ISIS by removing Gaddafi, and if Assad goes the situation will get much worse. You must remember that the US hasn't won a war since their civil war, and half of them lost that. Right now, it looks as if the UK would be safer if it built ties with China and Russia, and distanced itself from the US. We don't want TTIP for example.

As one person put it - Russia committed an act of belligerance by placing its country so close to American military bases.

[Masha Sha]

In the end if it leaves and still wants to trade there is only the skadinavian/CH solution.
But that would mean that UK is trolling itself (less rights, same tradeagreements)

You believe that McDonald's and all the American enterprise will leave the Uk? The Chinese will stop to sell...

No it's a very good question... What is the point of NATO? To fight against Soviet Union. Where is Soviet Union?

The core problem is that Russian people are very friendly to western people, but Russian leaders don't want to be plundered by western terrorists. Remember they let all the vassal states go INDEPENDENT!!! And look at what the Europeans and Americans are doing for the little Crimea... Whooaaa 9000 deaths, unbearable suffering on people that don't want to be with corrupt westerners. So if NATO is used to provoke Russia... American heartland will be gone... (The coastal maybe great but please... It wasn't called MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION for fun). Western looter in their hubris missed this point... Problem is that out or in when the Russians decide to leave earth, no one will survive... A few bugs, maybe. Massive, tsar like.

Who will in the west have the courage to recognize Crimea as Russian inalienable territory? I am sure the Russians will help him/her save face and really explain that it's an EXCEPTION (add eastern non radiation low radiation contaminated land and you get the head of the Damascus guy on a plate and maybe with some negotiations a regime change in Iran who will be anti nuke... The art of the deal. Something you don't learn in law school (specially softward) ((okay it's not enough add whiterussia and deal? ;-))

[criptix]

In the end if it leaves and still wants to trade there is only the skadinavian/CH solution.
But that would mean that UK is trolling itself (less rights, same tradeagreements)

You believe that McDonald's and all the American enterprise will leave the Uk? The Chinese will stop to sell...

No it's a very good question... What is the point of NATO? To fight against Soviet Union. Where is Soviet Union?

The core problem is that Russian people are very friendly to western people, but Russian leaders don't want to be plundered by western terrorists. Remember they let all the vassal states go INDEPENDENT!!! And look at what the Europeans and Americans are doing for the little Crimea... Whooaaa 9000 deaths, unbearable suffering on people that don't want to be with corrupt westerners. So if NATO is used to provoke Russia... American heartland will be gone... (The coastal maybe great but please... It wasn't called MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION for fun). Western looter in their hubris missed this point... Problem is that out or in when the Russians decide to leave earth, no one will survive... A few bugs, maybe. Massive, tsar like.

Who will in the west have the courage to recognize Crimea as Russian inalienable territory? I am sure the Russians will help him/her save face and really explain that it's an EXCEPTION (add eastern non radiation low radiation contaminated land and you get the head of the Damascus guy on a plate and maybe with some negotiations a regime change in Iran who will be anti nuke... The art of the deal. Something you don't learn in law school (specially softward).

inshalla brother. alahu akbar.

wtf

[markj113]

Byebye - actually let the UK set an example for what happens

So what is going to happen,

France/Germany going to suddenly stop selling their produce to us?

Trade works both ways and we can hit back just as hard if you start spitting your dummies out because we bailed from your sinking ship.

Merkel brought all this on, the bitch should be lined up against a wall and shot as a traitor.

Let me guess you live in one of the parasite countries.

Lets see what happens when the UK's £4.5 billion is no longer in the pot for the scroungers to fight over, after the UK France will shortly follow because the real people have had enough of the multi cultural experiment.

Net contributions:

Ok lets do so some reality check:

So what is going to happen,

France/Germany going to suddenly stop selling their produce to us?

Trade works both ways and we can hit back just as hard if you start spitting your dummies out because we bailed from your sinking ship.

EU BIP 2015: 14.625.373 Million €

UK BIP 2015: 2.568.941 Million €

=> 17,5 %

UK is neither dominating the EU econimacally nor politically.

In the end if it leaves and still wants to trade, there is only the skadinavian/CH solution.
But that would mean that UK is trolling itself (less rights, same trade agreements)

Lets see what happens when the UK's £4.5 billion is no longer in the pot for the scroungers to fight over, after the UK France will shortly follow because the real people have had enough of the multi cultural experiment.

Ever looked at the EU Budget? Im sure not, because else you would know that the budget from 2014-2020 is as high as 1 trillion € (10^12 €).
Lets do some easy math:
1 trillion € / 6 ~= 166.6 billion € (1.66 € * 10^11)

Ok, so the yearly EU budget is ~166.6 billion € from 2014-2017.

4,5 / 166,6 ~= 0,027 => 2,7%

much astonishing, so wow

btw. my taxes pay the fucking UK rabate and i live in a nation that stands above everyone else as a netto payer. -.-

so yeah parisites and stuff right? damn island monkeys

And after all your maths and counter argument that we contribute not a lot your still crying that we are about to bail out of the shit fest that is the EU.

[alyssa85]

Well of the Europeans cut up rough, wanting to "punish" us for our leave vote, then pulling out of NATO is a potential weapon we can use. We've just sent troops and planes to Eastern Europe to protect them from the Russians. But the eastern europeans don't even pay their minimum 2% to defence as required under NATO rules.

Why bother to defend them if they won't help us get the trade deal we want? So yes, it's possible, it can and will be used as a negotiating ploy if things get difficult.

[practicaldreamer]

No it's a very good question... What is the point of NATO? To fight against Soviet Union. Where is Soviet Union?

Fair point.

The real problem is our association with the US. The US seems to be intent on forcing regime changes and destabilising Europe and Asia. They created ISIS by removing Gaddafi, and if Assad goes the situation will get much worse. You must remember that the US hasn't won a war since their civil war, and half of them lost that. Right now, it looks as if the UK would be safer if it built ties with China and Russia, and distanced itself from the US. We don't want TTIP for example.

As one person put it - Russia committed an act of belligerance by placing its country so close to American military bases.

Amen - couldn't agree more. US has a lot of carnage to answer for in this world, and I'm sure it will - the military industrial complex US that is, not the ordinary people who have to do the groundwork.

Do you know who I want protecting from ? The ruling elite and their minions.

If we here, on a bitcoin forum, believe in decentralisation, why not disintermediate the central holders of military power as well as financial ? Or doesn't decentralisation apply here ?

I'd miss our NATO membership like a hole in the head personally.

[criptix]

And after all your maths and counter argument that we contribute not a lot your still crying that we are about to bail out of the shit fest that is the EU.

what?
in my two post i say bye bye to you guys.
right now i would really be happy if you people just vote no and get out (getting emotional and stuff)


the other stuff (maths and arguments) were just setting things straight because it seemed you were trying to show a different picture of reality.


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btw i never said you contribute nothing. i said you neither dominate the EU economically or politically!

[markj113]

No Germany bullies the smaller countries to sing their tune or say good bye to the bail outs

[popcorn1]

Byebye - actually let the UK set an example for what happens

So what is going to happen,

France/Germany going to suddenly stop selling their produce to us?

Trade works both ways and we can hit back just as hard if you start spitting your dummies out because we bailed from your sinking ship.

Merkel brought all this on, the bitch should be lined up against a wall and shot as a traitor.

Let me guess you live in one of the parasite countries.

Lets see what happens when the UK's £4.5 billion is no longer in the pot for the scroungers to fight over, after the UK France will shortly follow because the real people have had enough of the multi cultural experiment.

Net contributions:

Ok lets do so some reality check:

So what is going to happen,

France/Germany going to suddenly stop selling their produce to us?

Trade works both ways and we can hit back just as hard if you start spitting your dummies out because we bailed from your sinking ship.

EU BIP 2015: 14.625.373 Million €

UK BIP 2015: 2.568.941 Million €

=> 17,5 %

UK is neither dominating the EU econimacally nor politically.

In the end if it leaves and still wants to trade, there is only the skadinavian/CH solution.
But that would mean that UK is trolling itself (less rights, same trade agreements)

Lets see what happens when the UK's £4.5 billion is no longer in the pot for the scroungers to fight over, after the UK France will shortly follow because the real people have had enough of the multi cultural experiment.

Ever looked at the EU Budget? Im sure not, because else you would know that the budget from 2014-2020 is as high as 1 trillion € (10^12 €).
Lets do some easy math:
1 trillion € / 6 ~= 166.6 billion € (1.66 € * 10^11)

Ok, so the yearly EU budget is ~166.6 billion € from 2014-2017.

4,5 / 166,6 ~= 0,027 => 2,7%

much astonishing, so wow

btw. my taxes pay the fucking UK rabate and i live in a nation that stands above everyone else as a netto payer. -.-

so yeah parisites and stuff right? damn island monkeys

Your country pays the UK rebate ..No we pay our own rebate thanks.. 350 million a week..The EU takes 175 MILLION never to be seen again..And the other 175 million we get told by the EU how there going to spend it in the UK..No thanks i would rather tell myself how to spend it..

Tell you what you give me 2 thousand pounds and i will keep half of it so you got 1 thousand pounds left ..
Now what will happen with the 1 thousand you got left i will buy you a new shirt cost 100 pounds and i will buy you a lawn mower 200 pounds
and i will get your house painted 700 pounds is this OK..
Well you got no choice this is what i am spending your 1 thousand pounds on..WHAT'S UP..You say you don't like the stuff i bought you?..
And you say what about the other 1 thousand you give me 2 thousand..No you give me that 1 thousand for protection..you say what protection..
The protection from muslims and ....Russia  plus i will let you sell on my market..And if you say no I will tax all your goods that you buy from now on...DO WE HAVE A DEAL?

YOU PAY NOTHING TO THE UK THE UK PAYS IT'S SELF..We want out of your shitty EU..
Germany still not got over there asses getting kicked 2 do you want to make 3..Don't threaten the UK..We will soon see who does well in life..

[popcorn1]

And after all your maths and counter argument that we contribute not a lot your still crying that we are about to bail out of the shit fest that is the EU.

what?
in my two post i say bye bye to you guys.
right now i would really be happy if you people just vote no and get out (getting emotional and stuff)


the other stuff (maths and arguments) were just setting things straight because it seemed you were trying to show a different picture of reality.


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btw i never said you contribute nothing. i said you neither dominate the EU economically or politically!

You said you pay the UK rebate..NO YOU DON'T..We import way more than export the like BMW.. VW.. Mercedes.. Audi..Now imagine if we never bought those cars no more.

Wow had to stop me self there..Sorry German people i was wrong to mention the war I am sorry
It's not the people It's the big companies and the politicians i am pissed at..

SO TO THE GERMAN PEOPLE I AM SO SORRY..I was wrong to stir up the people of Germany..
I know the true Germans feel the same way as we do..

[markj113]

The French have had a tit full too,

They also now want a referendum :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/07/france-shuns-europe-as-brexit-revolt-spreads/


In some ways we need thank Merkel - She is the one that killed the EU through her immigration policy.

We also need to thank the immigrants for the rape, pillage and generally acting like wankers, will just help us shut the door and start deporting that much quicker.

[popcorn1]

LETS FACE IT OUR WORST ENEMIES ARE OUR OWN LEADERS..DO WE ALL AGREE..
When are we going to get a leader that takes no back handers?..And does right by the people for the people?
Seems becoming a politician is a way to make money too rule the world?
Now i always thought a politician is someone who wants to change the world for good not fucking rule it for the bad..
And also your voted in to do what the people say.. Not your own thoughts how the world should be or how much you can make..

We need a new law were politicians when they serve there terms we need to see if they been paid more than they was suppose to get..And if they got more money than the wages they been paid for the job they have been doing as an MP..If they got more then they should go to jail..

5 years at 150k a year or bit more but just say 150k ..750k should of been paid into your bank account if there is any more then they should go to jail..

And no charities in your name the biggest scam ever..

[popcorn1]

The French have had a tit full too,

They also now want a referendum :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/07/france-shuns-europe-as-brexit-revolt-spreads/


In some ways we need thank Merkel - She is the one that killed the EU through her immigration policy.

We also need to thank the immigrants for the rape, pillage and generally acting like wankers, will just help us shut the door and start deporting that much quicker.

New it all along I someone would pull out so now we sell to France
CAN I HERE PAPA VA VA VOOM

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO LEAVE ?