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June 13, 2016, 11:59:07 AM
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I smoked marijuana a few times when i was younger. It just makes you dizzy and tired. Marijuana is just a hardcore marlboro. It doesn't make butterflies flying in your head. Only a headache.

Pretty sure it fcks up your body too. I really don't care who smokes and who doesn't but it sure makes you lazy and capitalism don't want lazy people around. They want you to work. That's why it is forbidden almost everywhere around the world.

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June 13, 2016, 12:21:55 PM
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Wow so many drug addicts on this forum o.O

Btw of course it changes body and mind or do you know people that are naturally stoned? Lol

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June 13, 2016, 04:00:57 PM
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Research funded by the US government (Yes, the same people

who schedule it as a drug with no medicinal value, shows that marijuana acts on the same receptors of the brain as

benzodiazepine drugs do
, which are prescribed as a commercial treatment for generalized anxiety disorder today. Of

course, cannabis is less stronger, which also makes it less addictive, and it bears none of the side effects that the

pharmaceutical drugs do. There have been very few deaths attributed to medicinal marijuana use. There are none that I am

aware of.

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First of all, great post, I agree with the vast majority of what you said in your OP. But I disagree with you here on the pharmacology of marijuana/THC vs benzodiazepines, the bolded part. Can you source this research, I'd really like to read it.

Firstly, benzodiazepines and the chemicals in marijuana are totally different drug classes, with different mechanisms of action:

THC mainly affects the cannabinoid receptors (CB1 and CB2 primarily), but it does also have an effect on GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid). It has been known to inhibit GABA.

Benzodiazepines on the other hand, are GABA receptor agonists, this is their main mechanism of action. This means they increase the efficiency of GABA on the brain. More GABA/higher efficiency of GABA makes the brain relaxed, whereas inhibition of GABA has the opposite effect (some speculate this is why some people get paranoid/uncomfortable on high THC strains).

So put simply, THC and benzodiazepines have opposite effects on GABA.

However, I suspect that some of the other cannabinoids in cannabis such as CBD may have different effects on GABA in the brain - this is a hot area of research right now (for the scientists lucky enough to be legally allowed to research it  Angry Angry Angry)

What you say about the addictiveness is 100% true, benzos are extremely addictive, and withdrawal is one of the worst around, some say even worse than heroin and alcohol. You can get seizures which can kill you if you cold turkey from a long-term benzo habit. However don't forget that weed is mildly addictive as well.

Couple more corrections - the addictiveness of a drug is not because it is "stronger", it is to do with the drugs action on the body. And marijuana certainly does have side-effects, some of which are the same or similar to pharmaceutical drugs. All "pharmaceutical" means is that the drug has been tested and patented - for example in the UK a company called GW Pharma have a pharmaceutical drug called "Sativex". It is an extracted combo of THC and CBD, taken from weed grown in their secret growing labs here in the UK! (side note, I'm thinking about buying some stock in their company, think they could do very well when weed gets legalised in more states/countries, my stock tip for the day)

There is a common attitude among some of my friends, which is that "natural=good, synthetic/pharmaceutical=bad", and it's nonsense. Everything is chemicals, some good, some bad, some natural, some synthetic, some patented, some not. Botulinum Toxin is a barrel of laughs, 100% natural and the, uuhm, most potent toxin known to man...  Wink

As a personal note, I used to smoke quite a lot but haven't for a while - the effects were not pleasant anymore and made me lose motivation and become anti-social in my life. It's certainly not a cure-all wonder drug like some people say, but does have major medical and recreational use for many, with an incredibly safe track record.

I 100% support the legalisation of weed (and all drugs in fact), but I also think that more education is needed, and of course more research into the benefits/dangers of marijuana.
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June 13, 2016, 10:04:10 PM
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Hey more braindead zombie stoners to do the stupid work nobody else wants to do. I'm fine with that Grin
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June 13, 2016, 10:17:18 PM
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I smoked marijuana a few times when i was younger. It just makes you dizzy and tired. Marijuana is just a hardcore marlboro. It doesn't make butterflies flying in your head. Only a headache.

Pretty sure it fcks up your body too. I really don't care who smokes and who doesn't but it sure makes you lazy and capitalism don't want lazy people around. They want you to work. That's why it is forbidden almost everywhere around the world.

No, it's actually forbidden because some people in power in America in the 1930s had ulterior motives for its prohibition.

It was partly because they didn't like the influx of Mexican immigrants at that time, who used marijuana recreationally. So the use of marijuana was associated with poor Mexicans/jazz clubs etc. There was also a conflict of interest, because hemp fiber competed with the cotton industry and nylon  made by Du Pont. Whaddya know, the guys in power were good friends with the guys from Du Pont, and some people running the cotton industry, so in 1937, they banned marijuana, because REEFER MADNESS!!!

Propaganda at its finest, and it still influences the world today. For example, Japan used to have tens of thousands of cannabis farms, but now it has a strict anti-cannabis stance - this began after the American control of Japan after the 2nd World War.

It's all very interesting, if a little depressing...
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June 13, 2016, 10:49:50 PM
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Pot is great, end of story. But not for children, legalize it for the sake of our kids!
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June 14, 2016, 12:39:44 AM
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But the best thing to do is to NOT legalize. Instead, repeal all laws that make it illegal. Why?

For thousands of years pot was not controlled by government. Now all of a sudden, in the last 100 years, it is a controlled substance.

Don't you realize that if pot is legalized, it is still controlled? But it isn't the pot that is controlled. Rather it is YOU that are being controlled.

Don't you want freedom?

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June 14, 2016, 01:53:57 AM
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But the best thing to do is to NOT legalize. Instead, repeal all laws that make it illegal. Why?

For thousands of years pot was not controlled by government. Now all of a sudden, in the last 100 years, it is a controlled substance.

Don't you realize that if pot is legalized, it is still controlled? But it isn't the pot that is controlled. Rather it is YOU that are being controlled.

Don't you want freedom?

Cool

It's a nice idea, and I agree, in an ideal world weed would be freely grown and used responsibly. However, we have this thing called "society"...

You can't make an illegal thing free without first legalising it, it's a bit like the step between Socialism and Communism.
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June 14, 2016, 02:11:41 AM
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So after weed is legal do we stop there? Did we stop when alcohol became legal? No we're trying to make weed legal now too. So I guess heroine and meth and all substances will just be legal eventually then.
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June 14, 2016, 02:45:06 AM
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So after weed is legal do we stop there? Did we stop when alcohol became legal? No we're trying to make weed legal now too. So I guess heroine and meth and all substances will just be legal eventually then.

What do you mean? You understand that inititially, everything was legal, men made the laws that banned substances. You realize that all of these things are just substances, chemicals, they have no morals or conscience...

Like I said earlier, I believe all drugs should be legalised.
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June 14, 2016, 02:51:40 AM
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not gonna happen. it will makes the world in chaos. stop non sense reason about this illegal drugs

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June 14, 2016, 02:52:54 AM
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But the best thing to do is to NOT legalize. Instead, repeal all laws that make it illegal. Why?

For thousands of years pot was not controlled by government. Now all of a sudden, in the last 100 years, it is a controlled substance.

Don't you realize that if pot is legalized, it is still controlled? But it isn't the pot that is controlled. Rather it is YOU that are being controlled.

Don't you want freedom?

Cool

Exactly!

The governments can go and fuck themselves. They need to stop meddling in the day to day life of the citizens. The government can't dictate what should I eat or drink. We are not slaves of the government. Fortunately, as Bitcoin gradually replaces the fiat currency, the governments will find it more and more difficult to enslave the people.
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June 14, 2016, 06:00:26 PM
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I think that legalization of marijuana would be a good thing

"In sum, there is little evidence that decriminalization of marijuana use necessarily leads to a substantial increase in marijuana use." National Academy of Sciences, Institute of Medicine (IOM). 1999. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy Press: Washington, D.C., 102. http://www.nap.edu/read/6376/chapter/1

There are many other studies that came to the same conclusion

I think that the positive aspects would outweigh the negative ones


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June 14, 2016, 06:29:34 PM
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I think that legalization of marijuana would be a good thing

"In sum, there is little evidence that decriminalization of marijuana use necessarily leads to a substantial increase in marijuana use." National Academy of Sciences, Institute of Medicine (IOM). 1999. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy Press: Washington, D.C., 102. http://www.nap.edu/read/6376/chapter/1

There are many other studies that came to the same conclusion

I think that the positive aspects would outweigh the negative ones



Legalization means government control.

Nobody cares about government controlling marijuana, especially not government.

What government is after is controlling YOU through the appearance of marijuana control.

Don't want freedom? Legalize.

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June 15, 2016, 02:48:59 AM
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Legalization means government control.

Nobody cares about government controlling marijuana, especially not government.

You are wrong. Legalization does not mean government control. On the other hand, regulation represents government control. Still, legalization and regulation is the best we can hope for marijuana. At least it will be better than the current scenario, where Marijuana users are treated as the number one national security threat (even ahead of the ISIS recruiters).
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June 15, 2016, 05:14:36 AM
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Decriminalizitation of all psychoactive users is the only option that make sense in the context of national security.

And

Legalization of all psychoactive plants is the only option that make sense in the context of national security.

To think the contrary is a proof positive of your potential spiritual membership with ISIS. You believe in the use of violence and coercion on victimless consentfull damage less activities done by fellow human beings. You believe to be on the right side and legitimized in using violence (incarceration, fines, executions) what ever the source of your belief, the Founding Fathers of America never thought about criminalizing plant users. They weren't fools...

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June 15, 2016, 06:17:43 AM
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Yes, totally agree with all the 5 points. Good analysis

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June 15, 2016, 07:53:12 AM
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Its just that my opinion, I think marijuana must be legalized but with restrictions. For example, you can't buy marjiuana unless you got some medical prescription from a qualified doctor. That way drug abusers can't abuse it easily.  Grin

I agree with medicinal marijuana. Sale of this drug must be regulated and those who has prescription only can have access to this drug.If it is not regulated, it can be abused easily.
I dont think it should be regulated. That should be the same in other vices like cigarettes and alcohol no one prohibited it. And I think marijuana is way safer because it has no chemicals its just a pure leave unlike cigarette and tobacco.
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June 15, 2016, 07:59:48 AM
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So after weed is legal do we stop there? Did we stop when alcohol became legal? No we're trying to make weed legal now too. So I guess heroine and meth and all substances will just be legal eventually then.

Alcohol is a much harder drug than weed, if drugs should be illegal then alcohol should be at the top of the list.  Maybe we should ban coffee and chocolate since these have about the same ammount of risks to your health as weed.  As for heroin and others, it's not really the job for police to tell people what they can and can't take.  I don't think those kind  of drugs should be sold in shops though.

But basically its outrageous that alcohol is legal when it's so dangerous and antisocial but marijuana is illegal.

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June 22, 2016, 11:51:32 AM
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Well I think that marijuana legalization ain't right. Well it should just be legalized for medical purposes only. If it were to be used for other purpose, then it should not be legalized.
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