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June 12, 2016, 06:01:17 PM
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This all depends on the information and fame since bitcoin is famous in the recent modern world where as it is not very commonly known in asia and africa so only that's the reason bitcoins are not accepted on shops there.
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June 12, 2016, 06:05:25 PM
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I think brazil is one of the most country that 150 store are accepting bitcoin as payment.. and i think more shops too will accept bitcoin as payment in the future.. just like brazil..
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June 12, 2016, 06:20:26 PM
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carlton its time you re-read what RBF can do..
if the transaction is RBF people can change the transaction amounts.. its literaly even telling you with the first letter R=replace.

so if your going to do zero confirms acceptance. do not blindly trust a transactions that have either of these
has no fee
is RBF
whos taint shows that there have been other attempts of double spends before.

this is because
1. has no fee
https://bitcoincore.org/en/faq/optin_rbf/
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Sophisticated double spending attackers today use tools to map the network connectivity by making harmless looking conflicting spends and seeing which versions show up at which merchants and in which blocks. This allows them to craft two versions of the same transaction, one which they send to their victim and one which they send to miners for confirmation.
The presence of the non-replaceable payment to the merchant prevents his node from learning about a double-spend until it shows up in a block mined by a miner that was merely mining the thing they saw first. This simple, common pattern is sometimes further amplified by additional techniques such as using unconfirmed transaction chains, low fees, or non-standard transactions.
people can know which IP to send which transaction. EG send a PayYourself tx directly to the pools with a fee. send a PayRetailer without fee to a node known to be what the retailer uses to check. thus the retailer sees the PayRetailer transaction first and the PayYourself gets rejected by the retailers node.. but the important part is that the miners see PayYourself first and rejects the PayRetailer tx(especially because it has no fee anyway).. an guess which one gets confirmed!!

2. is RBF
https://bitcoincore.org/en/faq/optin_rbf/
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Opt-in RBF is a change to memory pool and network relay code that allows those wallets to optionally add a signal to their transactions which tells full nodes that those particular transactions may be updated (replaced) up until the point that they get confirmed in a new block.
even though RBF does include a fee(so point 1 wont raise a red flag). RBF can do something different..by messing with the amounts of the output and increase the fee it can cheange the transaction.. its literally in the name Replace By Fee. so if someone is paying you a TX you have to logically ask.. if they have no reason to mess/replace the transaction why would they opt for RBF. the answer is because there is a risk the transaction can change.(hint: red flag)

3. that there is a chance the customer may try a double-spend if there are signs of double spends linked to the originators address from past transactions. EG they practiced it, before doing it for real. or this is not the first time they scammed a retailer.(hint: red flag)

no one is saying everyone will try it. but atleast knowing what to look out for allows you to spot some red flags to be a bit mindful about whether you hand over the goods instantly or to keep the customer in conversation or delay the goods if the red flags appear..

that way if everyone just paid a fee and there was no sign of double spend taint. no reason to RBF. the goods can be released.
if however there was no fee.. or there was an RBF. or there was some taint.. you can delay handing over the goods for X seconds to see if any other similar transactions got relayed around the network incase the one you seen first was presented to you before you got to see the one presented to the mining pool first.. then you can see which one got accepted by the mining pools first to know if your going to get paid the right amount or not.

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i seriously wonder about carlton. even trying to suggest bitcoin is perfect and people should remain blind and accept zero-confirms without even doing any basic risk analysis..
i love bitcoins (carlton loves monero). but atleast its best to be honest and tell people there are risks/issues. that way they can protect themselves and prepare themselves.
bitcoin is great but it is not perfect. atleast knowing the issues helps people to work around them.

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this is how i think carlton thinks
blindly accept zero confirms because there is only 3% chance of being scammed so its an acceptable loss

this is how i think
add some analysis tools that look for red flags. instantly hand goods to the 97% that dont throw up flags and delay the goods handover of the 3% that are throwing up flags until certain its not a double spend

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June 12, 2016, 06:43:22 PM
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no one is saying everyone will try it.

Except you. When you tried to stoke up MegaFUD over RBF. Because it supports your Anti-Bitcoin agenda. Remember?


But apparently the risk is tiny, and no walls of text are going to convince anyone that RBF represents a fungibility risk, whereas you were literally promoting Black-Listing BTC outputs, Mike Hearn style, on the previous page of this thread. Stop talking, it's a waste of everyone's time.

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June 12, 2016, 07:46:24 PM
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This all depends on the information and fame since bitcoin is famous in the recent modern world where as it is not very commonly known in asia and africa so only that's the reason bitcoins are not accepted on shops there.

Africa has had M-pesa before Bitcoin existed and it's getting bigger and more widespread by the day. The only problem with that is, is that M-pesa is centralized and can be shut down, if a country

stops cellular providers from operating. You cannot do this with Bitcoin and this is why Bitcoin will always be the superior solution as a payment option. The challenge for Bitcoin will be connectivity in

rural areas... and this is why Bitcoin will always flourish in areas with developed internet infrastructure..  Sad

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June 12, 2016, 07:48:02 PM
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Well i suppose the vendor would have to have a reliable internet connection so you might be right that the country makes a difference.    Grin
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June 12, 2016, 11:22:56 PM
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Bitcoin is slowly but surely getting into other countries, like countries on South America. You can check that on the marketplace section here, as an example.

And yes, stability takes part. Less stable countries tend to search for alternative currencies...
But I also noticed that the Bitcoin is primarily in capitals or large cities.
So, the cryptocurrencies are known in countries that have less stability as in Africa or in Asia?
it is. cryptocurrency is known in Asia: Japan, China, India, Indonesia. but I'm not sure Indonesia and India have many shops accepting bitcoin.

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June 12, 2016, 11:59:27 PM
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The increase in shops that accept bitcoin will go hand in hand with the number of people using bitcoin to make their purchases. There were a few shops in my home town that accept bitcoin and even have bitcoin ATM. However, due to the low number of people using bitcoin, they stop doing that, which is rather sad.

Hopefully the new rise in price will stimulate more interest in the use of BTC!
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June 13, 2016, 12:11:12 AM
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Bitcoin is slowly but surely getting into other countries, like countries on South America. You can check that on the marketplace section here, as an example.

And yes, stability takes part. Less stable countries tend to search for alternative currencies...
Sure in south America there is some countries have many stores accepted bitcoin like Brazil and Argentina they have a maybe tens or even more,shops accept bitcoin. in Asia have a many shop's accept bitcoin.

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June 13, 2016, 03:27:53 AM
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I noticed that the shops that accept Bitcoin are mainly in europe and north america, why bitcoin can not go out and conquer other continents? the stability of the country plays a role in all this? how?


I think bitcoin acceptable anywhere, in my view the countries of Europe as for own human Resources high and probably know the benefits bitcoin in advance so that they are faster using bitcoin for shops. I live in asia, and here are many online stores that accept bitcoin, but for offline stores like coffee shop not available. Thank you
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June 13, 2016, 03:58:36 AM
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I noticed that the shops that accept Bitcoin are mainly in europe and north america, why bitcoin can not go out and conquer other continents? the stability of the country plays a role in all this? how?

I agree with you that bitcoins are mainly accepted in Europe and north america. I guess the reason why it is not present on other countries it is because of the availability of bitcoin, the market of bitcoin, the demands of bitcoin. In short i guess they are not ready for this innovation but maybe someday it will happen.
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June 13, 2016, 04:12:53 AM
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I noticed that the shops that accept Bitcoin are mainly in europe and north america, why bitcoin can not go out and conquer other continents? the stability of the country plays a role in all this? how?

Yes Bitcoin is not legal in all country only n limited country allowed bitcoin as legal and there all shops accept this bitcoin. I think because of this price variation daily and people may use this bitcoin for illegal purpose that is why all country governments are not allowing this bitcoin as legal currency. It s easy to use bitcoin in online shopping and also outside shopping but we don't know particular region why all continent is not accepting.   
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June 13, 2016, 09:55:41 AM
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Bitcoins is already accepting in some shops in pther countries specially on australlia  if i where right,they have bitcoin atm machines now there.But pretty sure bitcoin will conquer and will be a part of online shops and physical shops in the future

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June 16, 2016, 12:42:13 PM
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i have heared that there are so many shops in Brazil where they accept bitcoin. any you can do trading in bitcoin. some other countries have also shops wher bitcoin is accepted. i think it will take some more time when there will be shops everywhere who will accept bitcoin.
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June 16, 2016, 12:50:03 PM
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i have heared that there are so many shops in Brazil where they accept bitcoin. any you can do trading in bitcoin. some other countries have also shops wher bitcoin is accepted. i think it will take some more time when there will be shops everywhere who will accept bitcoin.

Brazil has 150 stores that accepts bitcoin and that is really huge, but the fact is the scenario is not same in all other countries and it will take some more time for them to adopt it.
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June 16, 2016, 12:53:39 PM
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I noticed that the shops that accept Bitcoin are mainly in europe and north america, why bitcoin can not go out and conquer other continents? the stability of the country plays a role in all this? how?
To get adopted in any country there should be one trusted local bitcoin exchanger where merchant can simply withdraw to their local bank account. Which, currently is not available in most of the asian and african countries that i think is the main reason behind merchant centralized only in europe and american territory.
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June 16, 2016, 01:20:03 PM
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Bitcoin is slowly but surely getting into other countries, like countries on South America. You can check that on the marketplace section here, as an example.

And yes, stability takes part. Less stable countries tend to search for alternative currencies...
But I also noticed that the Bitcoin is primarily in capitals or large cities.
So, the cryptocurrencies are known in countries that have less stability as in Africa or in Asia?

This is normal, in countries where a lot of households don't have internet access, it'll take longer for people to find out about Bitcoin. And if people in these countries are not actively using Bitcoin, you also won't find any local businesses accepting it. Then there is the fact that there is still a lot of uncertainty with Bitcoin, if you live in poor country and every one of your hard earned cents counts, you're not going to store it in Bitcoin and risk losing your money. With time though, Bitcoin should reach everyone everywhere in the world.
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June 16, 2016, 01:29:51 PM
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The shops that accept bitcoin are increasing, the problem could be that most of them are on big cities but its where more bitcoin users use them. Some shops that didn't accepted visa payments changed their opinion when its buyers asked for this service. I think it will be the same with bitcoin, if more users ask on the shops they do its shopping every day, more sellers will start to accept bitcoins.
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June 16, 2016, 02:14:34 PM
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Bitcoin is slowly but surely getting into other countries, like countries on South America. You can check that on the marketplace section here, as an example.

And yes, stability takes part. Less stable countries tend to search for alternative currencies...
But I also noticed that the Bitcoin is primarily in capitals or large cities.
So, the cryptocurrencies are known in countries that have less stability as in Africa or in Asia?
Well the only reason for this is that bitcoin isn't that famous enough to reach all continents and its industries. But maybe if one of the famous product in the world intruduce this to people like Apple, Samsung, etc,.

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June 16, 2016, 02:21:56 PM
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I noticed that the shops that accept Bitcoin are mainly in europe and north america, why bitcoin can not go out and conquer other continents? the stability of the country plays a role in all this? how?
There are some shops that accept the Bitcoin and there more and more shops appearing that will allow you to use the Bitcoin at there web shops. I am sure that in the future even more shops are going to accept the Bitcoin.
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