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March 10, 2013, 01:51:55 PM
Last edit: March 10, 2013, 03:33:34 PM by ShadowOfHarbringer
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Well, me and Luke-Jr had a little argument lately. Link to full discussion:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150493.220

So I am curious - what is your opinion after looking at the discussion - is Luke-Jr an enemy of Bitcoin ?
Should you double-check his commits in the source ?

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Wrong on all counts. There are two realities. The "realworld-reality", and "Internet-reality".
I wonder how didn't you notice that before. We are creating a new, better world here. A world where free market without government intervention is created and ensured automatically using mathematic algorithms which are better than stupid social rules, because they cannot be broken easily.

People are always the weakest chain and that is the reason Bitcoin exists: to route around human imperfections.
No. This is your delusion. Even if other nuts share it, it isn't reality.

It isn't reality ? Then we can make it reality. Impossible is nothing.
No thanks, as bad as the current governments are, what you propose is far worse.

To be clear...  what is that am I proposing, exactly ?
"A world where free market without government intervention is created and ensured"

Isn't this kind of what Bitcoin was created for ?
Isn't this kind of what Bitcoin market currently is ?
Isn't this kind of what libertarianism is all about ?

Doesn't that statement make you kind of an enemy of the whole Bitcoin concept (and libertarian spandpoint) by the way ?

You are still with us, or against us, because now I don't exactly see your position clearly ?
No, on the first two.
Libertarismism is not anti-government, just minimal government. And Bitcoin is not the same thing as libertarianism.
I will freely admit to being an enemy of libertarianism. The form of government that seems to work out best in practice is a monarchy.

If you are enemy of Libertarianism, the you are an enemy of Bitcoin as well.
Because Bitcoin is all about libertarianism and crypto-anarchy ?

I don't get it. How come you are even a Bitcoin developer with such views/outlooks ?

However i advise you to check the whole discussion. Veeeeery interesting.



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Also you may want to check this out before making an opinion:


I got caught into an edit war on Bitcoin Wiki over the SatoshiDice article when I tried to make the SatoshiDice article more neutral by removing all straight "SatoshiDice is a DDoS attack" accusations, which weren't even backed by any references. Eventually he told me he would only allow my edits to stay if I specifically told in the article that SatoshiDice is a DDoS attack. Looking at his previous contributions in the wiki ( 1, 2, 3 ), it wasn't the first time his "facts" were met by criticism.

Plus this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133974.20

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March 10, 2013, 01:55:05 PM
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Keep your bitching/personal problems with forum members to meta or Off-Topic please... Sad

The amount of people who know what's best for Bitcoin's future is TOO DAMN HIGH in this forum already!

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March 10, 2013, 01:58:46 PM
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God, OP......

You're beyond stupid. Please stay the fck of this forum already.

I guess i'm also an enemy of bitcoin too.

This kind of childish crap will hurt the image of btc everyday.
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March 10, 2013, 01:59:01 PM
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Keep your bitching/personal problems with forum members to meta or Off-Topic please... Sad

The amount of people who know what's best for Bitcoin's future is TOO DAMN HIGH in this forum already!

This is not my personal problem. This is ours potential problem now.

So I just wanted to raise awarness of the problem.

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March 10, 2013, 02:00:02 PM
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To answer the Q in your thread title: No.

How long have you known Dashjr?

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March 10, 2013, 02:01:21 PM
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No. Does that make me an enemy of Bitcoin too?

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March 10, 2013, 02:05:25 PM
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To answer the Q in your thread title: No.

How long have you known Dashjr?

I only know him on the forums, since 2010.

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Just raising awarness and colleting opinions here.

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March 10, 2013, 02:06:24 PM
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Define perfection.

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Good monarchy is better than bad anarchy, bad democracy, bad whatever. But who guarantees that a monarchy stays good? Where's the possibility and incentive for positive change to be initiated by the plebs?

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March 10, 2013, 02:08:44 PM
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Define perfection.

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monarchy

Good monarchy is better than bad anarchy, bad democracy, bad whatever. But who guarantees that a monarchy stays good? Where's the possibility and incentive for positive change to be initiated by the plebs?

If you want to have a discussion, learn to quote better first. I cannot work with that.

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March 10, 2013, 02:09:45 PM
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While I don't like the tone, this about sums up the original quoted conversation.
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No. This is your delusion. Even if other nuts share it, it isn't reality.

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March 10, 2013, 02:16:40 PM
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You are digging way too deep.  You sound like an intelligent guy and your time is more valuable doing other things.  Just because you are not Libitarian does not mean you don't like Bitcoin and cannot use it.  You said to read the whole thing, well sorry I have better things to do... 
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March 10, 2013, 02:17:45 PM
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I find that few people, even some devs understand the philosophical nature of money and how the Bitcoin network operates socially. The discussions are good. Don't make them personal.*


Except against libertarians.  Wink

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March 10, 2013, 02:19:22 PM
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You are digging way too deep.  You sound like an intelligent guy and your time is more valuable doing other things.  Just because you are not Libitarian does not mean you don't like Bitcoin and cannot use it.  You said to read the whole thing, well sorry I have better things to do...  

I realize i went slighly overboard with this poll, but i guess even if 99% people say "No", it will at least raise awarness of the "social punishment vs mathematical algorithms" problem.

And i still will consider Luke-Jr an enemy of Bitcoin.

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March 10, 2013, 02:44:34 PM
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You are digging way too deep.  You sound like an intelligent guy and your time is more valuable doing other things.  Just because you are not Libitarian does not mean you don't like Bitcoin and cannot use it.  You said to read the whole thing, well sorry I have better things to do... 

I realize i went slighly overboard with this poll, but i guess even if 99% people say "No", it will at least raise awarness of the "social punishment vs mathematical algorithms" problem.

And i still will consider Luke-Jr an enemy of Bitcoin.

bitcoin is just a currency...please leave your political views at home.

i already read the original thread and was quit shocked that you even need to make another thread for this shit.

so please: just shut up...

hint: people who have other opinions than you are not automatic your enemy.
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March 10, 2013, 02:44:48 PM
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I thought Luke-Jr being a religious authoritarian statist zealot was old news?  Cheesy And yeah, code should be double checked, no matter who adds it.

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March 10, 2013, 02:46:17 PM
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hint: people who have other opinions than you are not automatic your enemy.

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March 10, 2013, 02:50:16 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133974.20


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March 10, 2013, 02:50:26 PM
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I thought Luke-Jr being a religious authoritarian statist zealot was old news?
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March 10, 2013, 02:50:27 PM
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hint: people who have other opinions than you are not automatic your enemy.

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They are if their different opinion is that they should beat you and even kill you whenever you refuse to do something they say.

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March 10, 2013, 02:50:38 PM
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hint: people who have other opinions than you are not automatic your enemy.

Wrong. Not MY enemy. *Bitcoin's enemy*.

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