POLL: Is TradeFortress a scammer? TRUSTED FORUM MEMBER, lol

[MoneypakTrader.com]

He says that I stole 100 BTC, tried to redirect funds to my address, etc, which are completely false. I did get in access to his site

You're lying about the 100 BTC theft thing, the VALUE RISKED was 100BTC, i.e. the value of my site when you P/T'ed it. I've updated it to clarify.
The redirection might be untrue because the rando address your account had looked like a vanity-gen and I probably made a mistake on that.

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[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

In other words, all I did was exploit your poorly written site, get into the admin panel, see that you have made some modifications, take a screenshot and post it on your thread.

[Bitcoin Scammer]

Well I don't know if he's a scammer but he's def not a fan of bitcoinscammer.com or ME.  I will be sure to call him out IF MORE FACTS ARE PRESENT AND MORE PPL COME FORWARD.

[MoneypakTrader.com]

In other words, all I did was exploit your poorly written site, get into the admin panel, see that you have made some modifications, take a screenshot and post it on your thread.

No, you never developed the site I paid you 27 btc to develop and I had to pay someone else to do the whole thing.
You're obviously not proficient to do any white-hat programming.

[MoneypakTrader.com]

Just sue him, he admitted to unauthorized access into your site, I know under USA laws, the computer abuse and fraud act, you can sue and for pretty much 100% win and get even double that cause he cause you down time and lost business

I already gave him permission to try to hack my site in the future, so he might claim that as permission after the fact. definitely not 100% although it could cost him some serious legal fees or . . . settlement for the coins he owe me, maybe I should sue him. . .
Nah, I already agreed to give any recoveries to charity, so I'll assign the lawsuit rights to the charity if it comes forward.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

In other words, all I did was exploit your poorly written site, get into the admin panel, see that you have made some modifications, take a screenshot and post it on your thread.

No, you never developed the site I paid you 27 btc to develop and I had to pay someone else to do the whole thing.
You're obviously not proficient to do any white-hat programming.

Yes, I did develop the site. Your site is using parts of my code, most unchanged, you did not pay someone else to do the whole thing.

How do I know? Because I can unchanged parts from the site and the admin panel. Your site still has a serious security vulnerability that allows an attacker to execute actions on your (or anyone's) account, by the way. Send $1000 to the address in my sig, no I have never agreed to refund you. It doesn't matter if you claim I owe you some imaginary amount of bitcoins, I don't owe you anything.

Kindly stop spreading lies.

[MoneypakTrader.com]

[...] Nah, I already agreed to give any recoveries to charity [...]

What did I lie about, I'll correct it, please include the link.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

[...] Nah, I already agreed to give any recoveries to charity [...]

What did I lie about, I'll correct it, please include the link.

Please include the post where I said that part was a lie. It's impossible for me to prove that you are going to donate anything to charity, or prove that you are not going to donate anything to charity unless that happens (which won't).

Also, @Bitcoin Scammer, in every single argument I know I've won it when the other party calls me a troll.

[jubalix]

OK

I have found TF in dealing with me to be more than fair

Eg, I hired him and advanced him 0.53 BTC to do a codeing job.

About 3 weeks later we finally had a Google chat about the exact specs and he said the job was more expansive than I first described and he was right.

He said he could not do it due to time constraints, and paid me back 0.63 BTC, I pointed out the over payment to me and I offered to return it, and he insisted It was ok.

So he returned more than I sent him, you can't be more fair than that.

I have also noticed TF is not XRP hugest fan.

Another interesting point is TF may be a group of people as I have noticed the way he talks is very different at different times.

[RedRobin2442]

He says that I stole 100 BTC, tried to redirect funds to my address, etc, which are completely false. I did get in access to his site

You're lying about the 100 BTC theft thing, the VALUE RISKED was 100BTC, i.e. the value of my site when you P/T'ed it. I've updated it to clarify.
The redirection might be untrue because the rando address your account had looked like a vanity-gen and I probably made a mistake on that.

Your site is values @ 100btc? LMFAO!

[MoneypakTrader.com]

[...] Nah, I already agreed to give any recoveries to charity [...]

What did I lie about, I'll correct it, please include the link.

[...] It's impossible for me to prove that you are going to donate anything to charity, or prove that you are not going to donate anything to charity unless that happens (which won't).
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I'll donate $100 or so at a time as you repay your debt.
Any verifiable charity's around?

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Yeah, I want to make a quick 10 BTC, your site is vulnerable. When are we escrowing with John?

[MoneypakTrader.com]

Adding Direct quotes to support the recent addition to the allegations.
Now everything is supported and TF hasn't disputed any of the substance of my claims. His claim is that "the site worked" but he can't provide any code to support that and I have presented evidence that the site didn't work (specifically the coin forwarding test which failed and the coins were lost).
Instead he wants to make large amounts of money by hacking the site I eventually got created by someone else.
I apologize that the history is voluminous because of all the back and forth rhetoric but I've tried to stay on point as much as possible.

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Btw, your site still has a serious security vulnerability. I'll happily disclose it to you for your sum of $1,000, prepaid to my address. Or escrow with John.
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LOL, your site still has a security vulnerability that lets me do anything as any user (including you). Waiting for your payments.

Hey Dumbass,
 I already know you're a lying scammer, my memory isn't that bad. Go Fuck off, [...]
 Your fraud isn't going to work here. [...]

First of all, I did not use a SQL injection, I used XSS. Get your facts right.

Do you want to escrow? [...]

Yeah, I want to make a quick 10 BTC, your site is vulnerable. When are we escrowing with John?

Any recoveries made from TF will be donated to charity as I've said before, but it looks unlikely that anything will be recovered, because that's not how scammers do things.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

(specifically the coin forwarding test which failed and the coins were lost)

Fail. Coins do not become lost. If you have lost coins, it is your own fault.

The site did work, I've successfully tested it and then it stopped working after you locked me out of access to the files. I don't know what you did, but as you've said that you'll need to completely recode the site - which you have not done, I'm won't be surprised if you edited the code. No, I've wasted enough time with you, setting up another instance of your website is not worth my time.

If I am a scammer, explain why I've donated what's now worth 500 BTC of ASICMINER shares to my investment fund. Explain how there is zero scammer accusations against coinlenders, btcinvest, or the people who have deposited ~1k BTC of collateral in various forums. Scammers do not scam for $300 and not for scam a few thousand BTC, quite simply because I'm not a scammer.

I've used Bitcoin since 2011. I've had access to servers with >10K BTC before I had any sort of reputation on this forum (other than my freelancing profile reputation). I've actually made investors profit, unlike most of the securities and asset issuers on here.

Q: Why would I 'scam' for $300?
A: I wouldn't.

Q: Why would MoneyPakTrader keep slinging mud?
A: Because he wants to get $2600 from $300. Waaait, he promises to donate to charity!

Just so you know, here are what your posts look like, and my posts, respectively:



End of story, I'd love to dedicate more time to you but I've got things to do, Bitcoin related and offline. Have fun!*

*Unless you're contacting me about the security vulnerability disclosure, send $1000 to my address or escrow it with John and I'll happily disclose your site's vulnerability to you.

/me promises to *never* click on 'Show' post again from MoneypakTrader.com, there's another 15 minutes of my life gone.

[MoneypakTrader.com]

[claims with no reference links and no shred of evidence]

A little late to dispute that allegation I made so long ago. . .

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It was at this time I noticed him advertising his [programming] work on my site, so in addition to telling him his work was horrible (in more explicit words, outlining the problems), I also told him:
"I have a major problem with you advertising work done for my site when the site is totally non-operational for the first (and most important) product I'm trying to sell. Also, you're practically in default of our contract. Please don't claim responsibility for my site while your work is incomplete. Once the site works of course, it's a dif't story."
He replied: "yes it's 100% my fault and I will get it working." but didn't remove his claims to my site from his advertising thread (which he abandoned after I called him out).
The site was having extensive/critical errors and continued while he messaged me saying the site was finished and errors were fixed, even though it continued to be incomplete/buggy until finally I told him enough is enough after a couple weeks of back and forth with him saying the site is finished and this last time I tested the btc deposit it gets lost and doesn't forward properly.
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*Unless you're contacting me about the security vulnerability disclosure, send $1000 to my address or escrow it with John and I'll happily disclose your site's vulnerability to you.

Then take tradefortress off the [scammer] list.

This +1.

Even if you weren't in some type of collaborative relationship with John, I've already explained that I'm unwilling to let you take any more of my coins, so stop begging for them.

[Bitcoin Scammer]

Trade bring's on most these threads himself! I would advise him to just apologies for everything he has scammed (according to the 33% who got robbed and voted) and move along trying to rebuild his horrible reputation. He never completely scammed me but he does troll a lot and make him self look suspicious by posting invalid arguments all over bitcointalk.org. SO far I would not trust him at all until he (HIMSELF not anyone of his schills) come out and fixes his wrongs.

[Vod]

Trade bring's on most these threads himself! I would advise him to just apologies for everything he has scammed (according to the 33% who got robbed and voted) and move along trying to rebuild his horrible reputation. He never completely scammed me but he does troll a lot and make him self look suspicious by posting invalid arguments all over bitcointalk.org. SO far I would not trust him at all until he (HIMSELF not anyone of his schills) come out and fixes his wrongs.

You just described yourself.   

[Bitcoin Scammer]

Yes and I described you as one of his schills. Where he is caught you are there trying to cover it up. 

[MoneypakTrader.com]

More similar posts about TF scamming:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211115.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207841.0;all

Sorry, a search of "tradefortress scam" is going to give you 7 or more pages of forum threads to go through for other accusations.

[MoneypakTrader.com]

multi-voting using shill accounts?
That would explain why so many votes are against the compelling evidence of TF's scam

[...] I could vote a few dozen times..