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June 29, 2016, 07:11:12 PM
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n light of a certain evidence suggesting irregularities in a number of BetSoft's progressive slots, we have decided to issue a warning to all our members not to engage in real money play on any of the following games:

1. Good Girl Bad Girl
2. At the Copa
3. Greedy Goblins
4. Mr. Vegas
5. Slot Angels
6. The Glam Life
7. Tycoons
8. The Treasure Room

These are the games we consider problematic, but there might be more. Namely, the issue concerns certain progressive jackpots that seem to be locked - in other words, they can't be won due to a software error which can either be intentional or the result of a sloppy programming on the part of BetSoft. They deny any problems and continue to claim the games are just fine and working as intended. No official statement has been released by BetSoft yet, despite the fact the company was faced with some strong evidence suggesting the games to be broken.

Thanks to one insightful player, we have been aware of potential abnormalities in the games since the fall of 2015, but until now, the evidence was insufficient for us to officially issue a warning or taint the reputation of BetSoft and the casinos supporting its software - the whole thing seemed too far out, although suspicious enough to warranty a serious inquiry into the problem.

What served as a catalyst for us and others to advise against BetSoft was a shameful event that happened not a few days ago - a player going by the name Jason was denied a jackpot he won fair and square on the slot The Glam Life at Betcoin.ag casino. This, coupled with the locked jackpots and a few questionable events in the company's past, lead us to advise against playing BetSoft slots.

What are the problems?


The whole thing began back in September 2015, when a Casino Listings forum member BlackjackAA noticed that some of the BetSoft's progressive jackpots at Bovada casino seem to be unwinnable. BetSoft's progressives are not linked to a network with other different slots, neither are the same slots linked to a network between the casinos that feature them. Instead, the games have a standalone jackpots assigned to each coin value or denomination, with the amounts and odds differing between the casinos.

What this player noticed was the fact that some denominations have jackpots that hit regularly, while others are never won, regardless of the number of times the slot was played end even despite it. CasinoListings launched an investigation spanning 9 months, using jackpot tracking software to monitor the jackpots at Bovada and Slots.iv casinos - which are won and how many times, how much they hit for and other facts. These casinos were chosen because they feature the full portfolio of BetSoft titles. In the end they concluded the games are broken.

Some jackpots on specific coin sizes and certain games are never won at Bovada, while they routinely hit at Slots.iv, even though the amount of wagering is much higher at Bovada.

For example- the 5¢,10¢ and 25 ¢ denominations jackpots on Good Girl Bad Girl regularly hit at Slots.iv, but have never been won at Bovada since the tracking started 9 months ago. The odds of hitting the 5¢ jackpot on this slot are calculated to be 1:20,000 - yet it was played at Bovada nearly six million times without hitting whatsoever.

Additionally, the data indicates that in February, multiple slot machines at Bovada exhibited strange behavior that couldn't be accidental, since there was several slots behaving strangely all at the same time. The games that were otherwise regularly won all went without any wins for a period of about three weeks, to suddenly revert back to their previous win frequency at almost the same time.

Finally, on June 14th, a player going by the name Jason won a progressive jackpot on The Glam Life slot 50¢ denomination at Betcoin.ag casino. He placed max bet and managed to land five yacht symbols on a win line during the free spins, which should have gotten him a million coins prize - the paytable clearly stated that 5 yacht symbols on max bet wins the jackpot. However, BetSoft denied to cash out his winnings claiming he didn't qualify for the jackpot because he wasn't betting max on $1 denomination. This was, to say the least, a ridiculous statement given the fact that BetSoft games have separate jackpots for each denomination.

When Jason pointed out this fact to BetSoft's customer service rep, they changed the story claiming the jackpot can't be won during the free spins feature. This was again not true, because the paytable had no rules to indicate any such thing.

On June 26th, BetSoft silently altered the Glam Life paytable to now include this rule: ''Jackpots cannot be won during any other bonus feature''. Not only did they unlawfully altered the paytable to justify their actions, but the sentence is entirely confusing as well - what other bonus features, and which feature does qualify for the jackpot?

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June 29, 2016, 07:13:35 PM
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BETSOFT CAUGHT RIGGING KENO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhalYzlNCh8

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June 29, 2016, 08:50:19 PM
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N w long has this been going on for ? I see good girl bad girl often, like pretty much everywhere and now I know why. I saw some stats someone posted about it and it shocked me. Imfprgot who posted it else I would leave a link. Thank you for warning us and doing your research, most people just moan without evedince or anything which is bad and doesn't help.

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December 05, 2016, 07:42:52 PM
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How about the game:  All American Progressive video poker by Betsoft?  Been playing this game awhile know without hitting the royal flush for the jackpot.  Anybody played this game and hit the jackpot?
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December 06, 2016, 04:51:34 AM
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Tons of scam accusations have been made against betsoft and betsoft has never issued a reply. See these threads for more information:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1530271.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1517648.0
https://www.casinolistings.com/news/2016/06/warning-avoid-all-betsoft-slots-and-casino-games
http://vegasclick.com/online/betsoft-jackpot-issue

It's best to stay far away from betsoft until they get these issues resolved.
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December 06, 2016, 04:53:45 AM
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Tons of scam accusations have been made against betsoft and betsoft has never issued a reply. See these threads for more information:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1530271.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1517648.0
https://www.casinolistings.com/news/2016/06/warning-avoid-all-betsoft-slots-and-casino-games
http://vegasclick.com/online/betsoft-jackpot-issue

It's best to stay far away from betsoft until they get these issues resolved.

Indeed. There are a lot of issues with Betsoft software currently so it is not recommended that you participate in gambling in any shape or form in any of their slot machine games, because they are known to cheat their players out of their winnings when they deem necessary.

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December 06, 2016, 05:01:36 AM
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Tons of scam accusations have been made against betsoft and betsoft has never issued a reply. See these threads for more information:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1517648.0


It's best to stay far away from betsoft until they get these issues resolved.
I have loosely followed the thread quoted above regarding the Betsoft/Betcoin issue but was that one really the fault of Betsoft, i thought that one was Betcoins fault for not adding the correct information to the "payouts" page.

Don't take this the wrong way because i am in no way trying to stand up for Betsoft, their actions are shady at best.

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December 06, 2016, 05:19:17 AM
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This shouldn't come as a huge shock to anyone this is why there are only a few casinos trusted by early Bitcoiners as they wrote the book on provably fair. Betsoft,  bitstarz and all the fancy graphics games players see are not provably fair at all. This bonus is only one part of the problem.

You are dealing with corporations that only stepped into bitcoin betting because fiat online casinos are desperate for users there are hundreds of thousands of sites it's been flooded just like bitcoin betting sites are becoming.

The difference is you can choose to play on non fancy graphics like BetterBets.io ,primedice, Betking,  or any moneypot.com site and deal with less pretty but fair. Or play on pretty but rigged sites where you have only the company saying 'sure we are fair'.

I'm inclined to take the fair option personally and sacrifice visuals.

****For the record have you ever noticed how the top ranked casino reviews always have the same casinos and never any of the older bitcoin sites like I mentioned above? It's because they are all paid or faked by the companies that own them. They use it as an SEO tactic for back links.

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December 06, 2016, 05:29:46 AM
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This shouldn't come as a huge shock to anyone this is why there are only a few casinos trusted by early Bitcoiners as they wrote the book on provably fair. Betsoft,  bitstarz and all the fancy graphics games players see are not provably fair at all. This bonus is only one part of the problem.

You are dealing with corporations that only stepped into bitcoin betting because fiat online casinos are desperate for users there are hundreds of thousands of sites it's been flooded just like bitcoin betting sites are becoming.

The difference is you can choose to play on non fancy graphics like BetterBets.io ,primedice, Betking,  or any moneypot.com site and deal with less pretty but fair. Or play on pretty but rigged sites where you have only the company saying 'sure we are fair'.

I'm inclined to take the fair option personally and sacrifice visuals.
You could always try the bitcoin.com new games casino, all games are provably fair on their site, no account registration at all needed and instant deposits!
https://games.bitcoin.com

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December 06, 2016, 05:37:47 AM
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This shouldn't come as a huge shock to anyone this is why there are only a few casinos trusted by early Bitcoiners as they wrote the book on provably fair. Betsoft,  bitstarz and all the fancy graphics games players see are not provably fair at all. This bonus is only one part of the problem.

You are dealing with corporations that only stepped into bitcoin betting because fiat online casinos are desperate for users there are hundreds of thousands of sites it's been flooded just like bitcoin betting sites are becoming.

The difference is you can choose to play on non fancy graphics like BetterBets.io ,primedice, Betking,  or any moneypot.com site and deal with less pretty but fair. Or play on pretty but rigged sites where you have only the company saying 'sure we are fair'.

I'm inclined to take the fair option personally and sacrifice visuals.

****For the record have you ever noticed how the top ranked casino reviews always have the same casinos and never any of the older bitcoin sites like I mentioned above? It's because they are all paid or faked by the companies that own them. They use it as an SEO tactic for back links.

I agree, for the most part, but I would definitely include crypto-games.net when it comes to fairness!
It may not be one of the oldest but it's been running for 2 years, and not a one scam accusation(credible) has ever been logged against them.
Their TOS as well as all possible info needed by a player are all clearly written, FAIR, and all concerns are addressed immediately.

Anyway, for me, the first indicator of how reputable a site is, is how they handle and respond to issues/concerns/allegations/etc.
*Any sort of delay tactics, deflections, or outright lies then they're out. No ifs and buts.

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December 06, 2016, 08:48:39 AM
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Betstreak Casino is an Asian online casino  accepting both your conventional currencies and bitcoin. The site is available in both English and Chinese and is powered by ,Endorphina, Betsoft, Ezugi, iSoftBet, Pocketdice and SoftSwiss. Games are completely instant play; no downloads are required and the site is also mobile friendly. They also offer live casino and live poker games. Betstreak Casino is licensed and regulated under the laws of Curacao.

Players can enjoy a large number of video slots from a number of gaming providers. They can easily find their favorite games with the casinos ‘Search’ tool or they can browse through for a lucky pick. Games includes Live Casino, Slots, Poker and Dice games.

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Would you stop spamming with this crap. I know it's bitcoin related and i know it's gambling but it has just about nothing to do with this thread.
Start your own threads rather than hijacking another users.

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December 06, 2016, 10:32:03 AM
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wow so judging from the story, the person who hit the 5 yacht jackpot did not receive the winnings due to being free spins, that is really bad though to deny the winnings of a player.
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December 06, 2016, 12:01:23 PM
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wow so judging from the story, the person who hit the 5 yacht jackpot did not receive the winnings due to being free spins, that is really bad though to deny the winnings of a player.

betsoft got a terrible reputation, there were so many gambler scam by it, the worst case is the case where betsoft refuse to paid the person that hit 5 yacht, the winning is more than 1 million dollars, and because of that case betcoin.ag also got negative reputation and up until now betsoft keep on avoiding the responsibility

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December 06, 2016, 05:49:51 PM
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thank for warning the community, these scams should be avoided completely and barred from gambling. They prey on the vulnerable and people with gambling disorders. Shame on them for having such a rigged game. I think everyone should not play until it is fixed.

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December 06, 2016, 07:22:48 PM
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This thread is very helpful i heard that before that BETSOFT games not actually provably fair.. someone already hit a jackpot and win a large amount but they are not give the winning amount because they are change the terms or he did not notice the rule.
But now i can say that the game from betsoft is almost all nor provably fair and better to stay away..

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December 06, 2016, 08:21:16 PM
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I do not prefer betsoft but your story is full of bullshit. You cannot hit jackpot during free spins. Im playing Megafortune (netent) for 2 years now and never hit a jackpot. Does that mean its rigged? Where the fuck would they be if they give jackpot to every donk who spends $10 in a casino
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December 07, 2016, 02:34:37 AM
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Betcoin.ag extort 500 Bitcoins Jackpot winner for "settlement"

Duckdice.io scam - 7 BTC balance canceled! Your charity donations are welcome.
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December 07, 2016, 03:31:34 AM
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I have heard of them scamming players from their winnings since last summer.
I am surprised that their operation hasn't been shut down yet. Angry
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December 07, 2016, 05:52:59 AM
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I have heard of them scamming players from their winnings since last summer.
I am surprised that their operation hasn't been shut down yet. Angry

Shut down where and by whom?

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December 10, 2016, 06:22:09 AM
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I have heard of them scamming players from their winnings since last summer.
I am surprised that their operation hasn't been shut down yet. Angry

Shut down where and by whom?

Did you read his original comment? He is surprised that betsoft hasn't shut down, which means that betsoft hasn't been shut down yet.

I do not prefer betsoft but your story is full of bullshit. You cannot hit jackpot during free spins. Im playing Megafortune (netent) for 2 years now and never hit a jackpot. Does that mean its rigged? Where the fuck would they be if they give jackpot to every donk who spends $10 in a casino

There's a lot of evidence behind this, check this out: http://vegasclick.com/online/betsoft-jackpot-issue

Also, they failed to pay out a progressive jackpot using the excuse that the winning spin occurred during a bonus round.

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