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July 01, 2016, 08:31:49 PM
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I beliave the European Union is a great thing. Obviously it is not perfect but it is a great step forward a Federal Europe. Europe has a history of war and destruction and the European Union is essencial to stop wars inside its territory.
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July 02, 2016, 04:03:58 PM
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In 1941, Walter Funk, Hitler’s economics Minister, launched the Europaische Wirtschafts Gemeinschaft (the European Economic Community) – EEC) to establish a single European currency. Hitler’s plan was to integrate the European economy into a single market.

In 1945 Hitler’s Masterplan (captured by the Allies) included a scheme to create an economic integration of Europe and to found a European Union on a federal basis. The Nazi plan for a federal Europe was based on Lenin’s belief that: ‘Federation is a transitional form towards complete union of all nations.’

A new book entitled, ‘The EU: The Truth About The Fourth Reich – How Hitler Won The Second World War‘, suggests Germany is the only country that benefits from a European Union,

I don't know if true..But Germany was the one doing the best in the EU.GLAD TO BE OUT OF THE EU..
 
That is popular among eurosceptics with doubtful financing that may come from somewhere out of Mother Russia to compare the EU with left (the USSR) and right (The Third Reich) totalitarianism in order to attack it as red/nazi antidemocratic organization. In fact, the Third Reich and the USSR (especially in Stalin era) had much in common: one party and its leader, one state ideology and propaganda that supports it etc. However, that states compared to the EU have significant differences: real sovereignty of states of the EU (when it the USSR the sovereignty was just formal and there wasn't such a thing in the Third Reich), multiparty system, the absence of state ideology per se and freedom of speech and the same absence of state propaganda controlling medias. So, I hardly see how the EU can be called both the new USSR and the Fourth Reich.

And it seems to me that Germany is facing with the similar problems as the other members of the EU as it can be called as a pan-European crisis. Otherwise it would be too easy to say that Germany is doing the best and just conquers other european states to create so-called European Reich.

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July 02, 2016, 06:39:10 PM
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I beliave the European Union is a great thing. Obviously it is not perfect but it is a great step forward a Federal Europe. Europe has a history of war and destruction and the European Union is essencial to stop wars inside its territory.

Actually Europe's attempts at "unity" are the ones that have yielded the ugliest results. Here is an Easter postcard from Vichy-era France in 1942:



It could have been made today, which is what is so disturbing about it.

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July 02, 2016, 07:06:12 PM
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^

If it would be like you guys described then there wouldnt have been a brexit. We would have war and the UK would be gone in some weeks.
Dont be delusional and stay realistic... like i wouldnt wonder if u guys would say next that flat earth is real and germany started the world wide globe conspiracy.

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July 02, 2016, 07:06:34 PM
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I beliave the European Union is a great thing. Obviously it is not perfect but it is a great step forward a Federal Europe. Europe has a history of war and destruction and the European Union is essencial to stop wars inside its territory.

Actually Europe's attempts at "unity" are the ones that have yielded the ugliest results. Here is an Easter postcard from Vichy-era France in 1942:



It could have been made today, which is what is so disturbing about it.
Wow. Yes.....Norway and Switzerland looking in Europe's direction but standing alone, while UK walks incredulously into the 'Special Relationship' box. That postcard was over 70 years ago.  Shocked Just wow.
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July 02, 2016, 08:22:15 PM
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I beliave the European Union is a great thing. Obviously it is not perfect but it is a great step forward a Federal Europe. Europe has a history of war and destruction and the European Union is essencial to stop wars inside its territory.

Actually Europe's attempts at "unity" are the ones that have yielded the ugliest results. Here is an Easter postcard from Vichy-era France in 1942:



It could have been made today, which is what is so disturbing about it.
Wow. Yes.....Norway and Switzerland looking in Europe's direction but standing alone, while UK walks incredulously into the 'Special Relationship' box. That postcard was over 70 years ago.  Shocked Just wow.

Not just 70 years ago, but in the middle of WW2, when the Axis powers were selling "European Unity" and a whole bunch of soft minds were buying it not seeing what lay beneath till too late. That postcard is Vichy propaganda that is not that different to what the EU deploys now.

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July 02, 2016, 08:30:07 PM
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I beliave the European Union is a great thing. Obviously it is not perfect but it is a great step forward a Federal Europe. Europe has a history of war and destruction and the European Union is essencial to stop wars inside its territory.

Actually Europe's attempts at "unity" are the ones that have yielded the ugliest results. Here is an Easter postcard from Vichy-era France in 1942:



It could have been made today, which is what is so disturbing about it.

Amazing foresight.


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July 02, 2016, 09:10:19 PM
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I beliave the European Union is a great thing. Obviously it is not perfect but it is a great step forward a Federal Europe. Europe has a history of war and destruction and the European Union is essencial to stop wars inside its territory.

Actually Europe's attempts at "unity" are the ones that have yielded the ugliest results. Here is an Easter postcard from Vichy-era France in 1942:



It could have been made today, which is what is so disturbing about it.

Amazing foresight.




See Should England leave the UK - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534331.msg15447586#msg15447586.


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July 02, 2016, 09:25:30 PM
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Amazing foresight.



The prejudices of the Europeans towards the anglo-saxon world are definitely the same. Never mind, the fourth reich will soon be over

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July 03, 2016, 09:13:27 AM
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What is your opinion about the European Union?

The EU was poorly thought out, Democracies and socialist can't work. other talk to much and gets very little done and Then there's socialism that works good until you run out of other peoples money to spend, This is the cat fight from hell.
So, do autocracies work fine? Though that was an irony too, but we can say that the experience of the 20th century clearly shows that they don't. Democracy may be an imperfective construct, but others are even worse and you won't find any perfective construct. So, I don't argue that the system is imperfect. But why we should ruin it instead of improving?

Democracy is a great thing - and the European Union is famous for ignoring it. They're trying to tell Britain to ignore the referendum, can you imagine? Luckily the governing party (the Conservatives) have said they accept the result and there won't be another referendum.
The European Union is mostly profiting the commercial banks that is making a lot of money from international alliance. The system is just making the political giants stronger but the general public aren't benefited from the Union. The national resources are exploited by the International corporations leaving countries in debt.



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July 03, 2016, 02:57:14 PM
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In the beginning, EU was great vision about united Europe, peaceful world, without war and conflicts, economical cooperation etc.
Unfortunately, in last 20-30 years Europe lost their vision and forgot their goals.
EU become to much bureaucratic, centralized and heavily regulated and because of this people dislike her.
EU also never becomes truly united and their decision process is very complicate and difficult.
Because of this they often can't decide anything and loosing time in fruitless debates that often end up with rotten compromises.
EU should change or they will die soon.


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July 03, 2016, 05:26:05 PM
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EU must die: Farage on Euro plunge, Wilders ban and slagging the president
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89h0pCV5Mcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gm9q8uabTs
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