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June 30, 2016, 11:48:35 PM
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i believe smoothing trade and borders is a good thing. i don't believe attempting to shoehorn crazily disparate cultures and economies into one box can ever work and that's ably demonstrated by the last few years.

there's enough discontent in the us at federalization and they all share a language and culture and it's been in place for over a century. 

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June 30, 2016, 11:50:48 PM
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hey, i type what they tell me to type during business hours. outside of that i'm gonna think for myself. and they pay me in dollars too. go figure.

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July 01, 2016, 07:54:56 AM
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Should it be replaced by masculinised heterosexualised traditionalist organization of pro christian crusaders?  Smiley
something along those lines yes
That was actually an irony. Anyway, I don't think that a return to the past is a good choice. You say that against marxism we must have traditionalism. So you suggest we should return to a divided Europe of suspicion, some 20-30 years of the 20th century. We can return and repeat right totalitarianism as well as left, but why do we rush from side to side? I don't think there is a need for radical extremes. IMO, it's better to keep equality between right and left wing than become right or left. And why you attribute to your views global importance as if it has to be an universal necessity? Some people can like your ideas, but others have different views. There isn't view that could be an objective law.
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July 01, 2016, 07:55:11 AM
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What is your opinion about the European Union?

The EU was poorly thought out, Democracies and socialist can't work. other talk to much and gets very little done and Then there's socialism that works good until you run out of other peoples money to spend, This is the cat fight from hell.
So, do autocracies work fine? Though that was an irony too, but we can say that the experience of the 20th century clearly shows that they don't. Democracy may be an imperfective construct, but others are even worse and you won't find any perfective construct. So, I don't argue that the system is imperfect. But why we should ruin it instead of improving?
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July 01, 2016, 07:55:23 AM
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EU Dominated by Communists - UKIP Nigel Farage -October 2012
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Very funny, but it can not even be considered as a constructive post. Unfounded, illogical and too short to argue. Though the last one is typical. Some video of far right populist freak, who famous for scandalous speeches in the European Parliament, on channel "88kmitchell" (name hints at far right wing) with anti-Semitic comments. So, very suspicious and marginal video.
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July 01, 2016, 07:55:34 AM
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It's never been a union, and with Turkey going in, it's no longer European.

Unfounded. By which principles it's not a union? And why with Turkey it can't be European. Because of geography? I doubt, Cyprus is geographically in Asia. Because of non-European origin? I doubt again, Hungarians and Finns are too non-European by origin as well as European nations were once barbarous. Because of religion? Hardly believe. Firstly, Turkey is a secular country. Some can say it has a Muslim background. Yes, it has as well as some European regions: Spain, Balkans.

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July 01, 2016, 07:55:48 AM
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hey, i type what they tell me to type during business hours. outside of that i'm gonna think for myself. and they pay me in dollars too. go figure.
I thought that a joke thread was in another place.
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July 01, 2016, 08:54:45 AM
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It's never been a union, and with Turkey going in, it's no longer European.

Unfounded. By which principles it's not a union? And why with Turkey it can't be European. Because of geography? I doubt, Cyprus is geographically in Asia. Because of non-European origin? I doubt again, Hungarians and Finns are too non-European by origin as well as European nations were once barbarous. Because of religion? Hardly believe. Firstly, Turkey is a secular country. Some can say it has a Muslim background. Yes, it has as well as some European regions: Spain, Balkans.



It hasn't been united since its inception.

Why call it European if you include non-european countries.

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July 01, 2016, 09:14:13 AM
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It's never been a union, and with Turkey going in, it's no longer European.

Unfounded. By which principles it's not a union? And why with Turkey it can't be European. Because of geography? I doubt, Cyprus is geographically in Asia. Because of non-European origin? I doubt again, Hungarians and Finns are too non-European by origin as well as European nations were once barbarous. Because of religion? Hardly believe. Firstly, Turkey is a secular country. Some can say it has a Muslim background. Yes, it has as well as some European regions: Spain, Balkans.



It hasn't been united since its inception.

Why call it European if you include non-european countries.
But we're talking about union and not one united state. Of course there wasn't any European Federation or something like that. But there is union of European states that expressed by common market, space, traditions etc.
My point was that many now European countries by origin are non-european. Even Europeans themselves were not Europeans in the sense of their old customs and so on. So I think, if country become European, by which I mean that it follows European principles and mentality, why it could not join the EU. The other thing is that Turkey yet has to rise above itself to join the EU. But, IMO, it can be real in future.
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July 01, 2016, 12:58:48 PM
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It's never been a union, and with Turkey going in, it's no longer European.
Yes looks like the EU is no longer necessary If more countries leave, it'll amount to more good than harm for Europe.

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July 01, 2016, 02:44:51 PM
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What is your opinion about the European Union?

The EU was poorly thought out, Democracies and socialist can't work. other talk to much and gets very little done and Then there's socialism that works good until you run out of other peoples money to spend, This is the cat fight from hell.
So, do autocracies work fine? Though that was an irony too, but we can say that the experience of the 20th century clearly shows that they don't. Democracy may be an imperfective construct, but others are even worse and you won't find any perfective construct. So, I don't argue that the system is imperfect. But why we should ruin it instead of improving?

Democracy is a great thing - and the European Union is famous for ignoring it. They're trying to tell Britain to ignore the referendum, can you imagine? Luckily the governing party (the Conservatives) have said they accept the result and there won't be another referendum.

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July 01, 2016, 06:49:26 PM
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What is your opinion about the European Union?

The EU was poorly thought out, Democracies and socialist can't work. other talk to much and gets very little done and Then there's socialism that works good until you run out of other peoples money to spend, This is the cat fight from hell.
So, do autocracies work fine? Though that was an irony too, but we can say that the experience of the 20th century clearly shows that they don't. Democracy may be an imperfective construct, but others are even worse and you won't find any perfective construct. So, I don't argue that the system is imperfect. But why we should ruin it instead of improving?

Democracy is a great thing - and the European Union is famous for ignoring it. They're trying to tell Britain to ignore the referendum, can you imagine? Luckily the governing party (the Conservatives) have said they accept the result and there won't be another referendum.
If you make some statements, it will be useful to verify them by some clear examples or facts. For instance, you saying that the EU is famous for ignoring democracy. But you didn't verified your statement, so it is unfounded. The same holds true for the next statement: the EU tries to tell Britain to ignore the referendum. Loud statement, but I'm not going to take that on trust. Are there statements of the EU officials that can confirm "ignoring the referendum" as a position of the EU? I don't know such.
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July 01, 2016, 07:04:39 PM
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In 1941, Walter Funk, Hitler’s economics Minister, launched the Europaische Wirtschafts Gemeinschaft (the European Economic Community) – EEC) to establish a single European currency. Hitler’s plan was to integrate the European economy into a single market.

In 1945 Hitler’s Masterplan (captured by the Allies) included a scheme to create an economic integration of Europe and to found a European Union on a federal basis. The Nazi plan for a federal Europe was based on Lenin’s belief that: ‘Federation is a transitional form towards complete union of all nations.’

A new book entitled, ‘The EU: The Truth About The Fourth Reich – How Hitler Won The Second World War‘, suggests Germany is the only country that benefits from a European Union,

I don't know if true..But Germany was the one doing the best in the EU.GLAD TO BE OUT OF THE EU..
 
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July 01, 2016, 07:11:54 PM
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i hope UK will return to EU Union again and soon it is a backbone country for EU.till now i don't feel it.

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July 01, 2016, 07:51:25 PM
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i hope UK will return to EU Union again and soon it is a backbone country for EU.till now i don't feel it.

You support the ponzi bankers then and the single market, the thieves who manipulate countries, George Soros  billionaire destroyer of many society's.
You support multitudes of immigrants to go where they please throughout Europe, you support the lying Conservatives in Parliament.

You support the Mps who voted for the bombing of Syria, you support the renewal of Trident?
You support how British Media Lied And Tricked Us Into Joining The EU in the first instance?

Read it or be unaware

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/howthebritishmedia.htm

I do not support any of this.

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July 01, 2016, 07:56:20 PM
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i hope UK will return to EU Union again and soon it is a backbone country for EU.till now i don't feel it.

You support the ponzi bankers then and the single market, the thieves who manipulate countries, George Soros  billionaire destroyer of many society's.
You support multitudes of immigrants to go where they please throughout Europe, you support the lying Conservatives in Parliament.

You support the Mps who voted for the bombing of Syria, you support the renewal of Trident?
You support how British Media Lied And Tricked Us Into Joining The EU in the first instance?

Read it or be unaware

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/howthebritishmedia.htm

I do not support any of this.

Funny, but you actually do exactly what you avoid to do, you just didnt realize it yet.

Look up the news after brexit and tell me if the groups you describe profited from brexit or not.

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July 01, 2016, 08:05:06 PM
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The bankers will profit. Not because of Brexit, but because Carney will support them with a cash injection to boost houses and old masters. No doubt more of our assets will be sold to cover the debts. He should spend the money on more police, coastguadrs, nurses, doctors and other things that will boost the economy, and not the foreign investors. Lets see interest rates rise to 2-3% as well to encourage saving.

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July 01, 2016, 08:06:26 PM
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i hope UK will return to EU Union again and soon it is a backbone country for EU.till now i don't feel it.

You support the ponzi bankers then and the single market, the thieves who manipulate countries, George Soros  billionaire destroyer of many society's.
You support multitudes of immigrants to go where they please throughout Europe, you support the lying Conservatives in Parliament.

You support the Mps who voted for the bombing of Syria, you support the renewal of Trident?
You support how British Media Lied And Tricked Us Into Joining The EU in the first instance?

Read it or be unaware

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/howthebritishmedia.htm

I do not support any of this.

Funny, but you actually do exactly what you avoid to do, you just didnt realize it yet.

Look up the news after brexit and tell me if the groups you describe profited from brexit or not.

To be very honest here, The only news I do read, is RT and Russia insider, apart from the few that links from this website, I haven't even bought a newspaper in over twenty years, so as for statement I know nothing about who profited, but I can bet it would be some of those I listed, even traders here on this forum have benefited.
I stand by my words, and do not support any of it, I see plenty of skulduggery going on with Brussels and member cohorts.
  

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July 01, 2016, 08:10:48 PM
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i hope UK will return to EU Union again and soon it is a backbone country for EU.till now i don't feel it.

You support the ponzi bankers then and the single market, the thieves who manipulate countries, George Soros  billionaire destroyer of many society's.
You support multitudes of immigrants to go where they please throughout Europe, you support the lying Conservatives in Parliament.

You support the Mps who voted for the bombing of Syria, you support the renewal of Trident?
You support how British Media Lied And Tricked Us Into Joining The EU in the first instance?

Read it or be unaware

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/howthebritishmedia.htm

I do not support any of this.

Funny, but you actually do exactly what you avoid to do, you just didnt realize it yet.

Look up the news after brexit and tell me if the groups you describe profited from brexit or not.

To be very honest here, The only news I do read, is RT and Russia insider, apart from the few that links from this website, I haven't even bought a newspaper in over twenty years, so as for statement I know nothing about who profited, but I can bet it would be some of those I listed, even traders here on this forum have benefited.
I stand by my words, and do not support any of it, I see plenty of skulduggery going on with Brussels and member cohorts.
  

i agree that are certain areas of the EU that need a change but i'm still the opinion that the brexit decision will only change things to the bad.

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July 01, 2016, 08:17:31 PM
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It was not a bad thing before joining, I remember it well.
Ever since though, things went downhill for millions of people at the time, I bet you do not see that in the MSM.
In comparison we as residents, were better off all round, even the budgets where nothing to be scared of, now they are.

Corruption must have been going on, but not to the extent we have now, its every where, and I mean every Brussels funded business.

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