Should England leave the UK

[Jet Cash]

Sounds stupid. doesn't it. But many of the issues raised by Scotland also apply to England ( including parts of London), Westminster seems to be obsessed with boosting financial companies, and it's at the expense of industry, pensions and the people of the UK. We need to break away from it.

Of course an easier solution would be to elect non-venal politicians, but there don't seem to be many around. The primary function of a politician is to get re-elected, and this is despite the enormous costs to the country.

[~BitSy~]

I think you meant England leave the EU and not UK. Their decision might have some benefits because I read somewhere that there will be less expenditure on their half for certain stuff and they get to not follow certain rules imposed by EU and also they get to be more independent as a whole.

[Jet Cash]

No I mean England leave the UK. There is no question that we should leave the self-destructing EU - the sooner the better.

[designerusa]

Sounds stupid. doesn't it. But many of the issues raised by Scotland also apply to England ( including parts of London), Westminster seems to be obsessed with boosting financial companies, and it's at the expense of industry, pensions and the people of the UK. We need to break away from it.

Of course an easier solution would be to elect non-venal politicians, but there don't seem to be many around. The primary function of a politician is to get re-elected, and this is despite the enormous costs to the country.

Sounds stupid. doesn't it. But many of the issues raised by Scotland also apply to England ( including parts of London), Westminster seems to be obsessed with boosting financial companies, and it's at the expense of industry, pensions and the people of the UK. We need to break away from it.

Of course an easier solution would be to elect non-venal politicians, but there don't seem to be many around. The primary function of a politician is to get re-elected, and this is despite the enormous costs to the country.

according to me, united kingdom should not leave european union , if it happens, it will shoot itself in the foot. This separetion will be begginning of united kingdom's downfall becaue uk is not indepented from eu both economically and culturally for that reasons uk shoul stay in european union's borders for sure.

[helloeverybody]

I think it would probably be a bad move for England to leave the uk. England relies more on the other country's in the uk than they do for England also they dont need to, England has the say on what happens in the uk whereas none of the other countries do. What would be the benefit?

[qiman]

London also wants to leave and be independent, so why not the whole world become city states instead of big countries? I think that will solve a lot of the world's problems as they will be small and manageable.

[alyssa85]

Sounds stupid. doesn't it. But many of the issues raised by Scotland also apply to England ( including parts of London), Westminster seems to be obsessed with boosting financial companies, and it's at the expense of industry, pensions and the people of the UK. We need to break away from it.

Of course an easier solution would be to elect non-venal politicians, but there don't seem to be many around. The primary function of a politician is to get re-elected, and this is despite the enormous costs to the country.

Coming out of the EU should automatically reduce the UK's dependence on financial services.

There is a strong geographic component to trade. As long as we were in the EU, London and the south-east would be the most prosperous, as they are the closest to teh mainland.

Exiting the EU forces the govt to start making trade deals with the rest of the world - this should benefit the western side of the country, because all the big ports that provide easy access to the Atlantic and the Med are in the west.

Just by Brexiting we have changed things - now lets wait to see what the change brings before contemplating new change.

[Daniel91]

Sounds stupid. doesn't it. But many of the issues raised by Scotland also apply to England ( including parts of London), Westminster seems to be obsessed with boosting financial companies, and it's at the expense of industry, pensions and the people of the UK. We need to break away from it.

Of course an easier solution would be to elect non-venal politicians, but there don't seem to be many around. The primary function of a politician is to get re-elected, and this is despite the enormous costs to the country.

It's just theoretical question.
In reality, this will not be needed.
Why?
Very simple, Scotland and N. Ireland will choose to leave UK and stay in EU (possible Wales as well) so UK will disappear and only England will remain.
So, United will disappear and only kingdom will left, kingdom England (not sure how long).

[alyssa85]

It's just theoretical question.
In reality, this will not be needed.
Why?
Very simple, Scotland and N. Ireland will choose to leave UK and stay in EU (possible Wales as well) so UK will disappear and only England will remain.
So, United will disappear and only kingdom will left, kingdom England (not sure how long).

They won't. Scotland and Northern Ireland depend on England for money. Scotland has a deficit of 10% of GDP that is being plugged in by England, and Northern ireland has 26% of GDP due to public spending (again financed by England).

As we have seen with Greece - poor countries that need money do not declare independence. It's only strong ones who have a lot of money that do (like the UK).

[Jet Cash]

Nobody seems to have picked up on my point that the real problem is the Government. I don't understand why people keep electing venal conmen, and it seems to happen in most countries.

The Brexit issue is a no brainer. Why would any country want to subject itself to unelected control, and the extraction ofits wealth. Britain is the poorer because its politicins conned the public into believing that Britain was crap. and it neede the EU. Now we need to get out as fast as possible. Most of our trade is outside the EU ( as is the EU trade), and we are net importers from the EU. The EU needs Britain, we don't need the EU.

[BADecker]

Nobody seems to have picked up on my point that the real problem is the Government. I don't understand why people keep electing venal conmen, and it seems to happen in most countries.

Easy to understand. People have been trained away from understanding English Common Law. In all parts of Britain - Ireland to a slightly lesser extent - the use of Queens Bench Court overrules all of Government when necessary. Commoners can use this court... actually, it IS their court. But few people know.

It took more than 500 years for the people to perfect English Common Law. And now in a few decades, the people have forgotten it.

In the States, the use of English Common Law has been simplified into American Common Law. It is upheld by the 6th, 7th, 9th and 10th Amendments in the Bill of rights. It can be used to overcome any governmental statute, code, enforcement policy, or administrative court. But few people know about it, and the government keeps it hidden as well as they can.

The Brexit issue is a no brainer. Why would any country want to subject itself to unelected control, and the extraction ofits wealth. Britain is the poorer because its politicins conned the public into believing that Britain was crap. and it neede the EU. Now we need to get out as fast as possible. Most of our trade is outside the EU ( as is the EU trade), and we are net importers from the EU. The EU needs Britain, we don't need the EU.

So, it is time for the Brits to use English Common Law at Queens Bench to individually stop any of the things that government wants to foist on them. But they have to know that they can do this first, right?

http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZlfOORFFT8

[criptix]

It's just theoretical question.
In reality, this will not be needed.
Why?
Very simple, Scotland and N. Ireland will choose to leave UK and stay in EU (possible Wales as well) so UK will disappear and only England will remain.
So, United will disappear and only kingdom will left, kingdom England (not sure how long).

They won't. Scotland and Northern Ireland depend on England for money. Scotland has a deficit of 10% of GDP that is being plugged in by England, and Northern ireland has 26% of GDP due to public spending (again financed by England).

As we have seen with Greece - poor countries that need money do not declare independence. It's only strong ones who have a lot of money that do (like the UK).

Financial dependance isnt an argument. Nord irelands and scotlands gdp deficit would just be a joke in relation to the EU budget.

The EU could finance that without problems - it is a political problem.

[Gronthaing]

Coming out of the EU should automatically reduce the UK's dependence on financial services.

Will that change much? People who run those services won't go anywhere. Not so much that the uk needs them. But they will continue to have the most influence in government decisions. And what gets done and where the money goes.

London also wants to leave and be independent, so why not the whole world become city states instead of big countries? I think that will solve a lot of the world's problems as they will be small and manageable.

A few problems with that. True that nobody else knows the problems of their city like the people who live there. And what they want and how to do it. But there is always need for cooperation for some things. Things even large countries can't do alone. Maybe for lack of resources so need to trade. Or expertise in some field. Or industry. Or geographic location. Etc. So the red tape to get many city states working together could be hard to manage for large projects. But maybe biggest problem is those in power wouldn't let it happen. Spain for example is desperately holding on to catalonia. And not only governments but influential groups too that wouldn't want it. Businesses wouldn't want to deal with different standards and regulations in many different cities for example. Etc.

[Jet Cash]

Deals are made between companies, regulations just make things harder.

[criptix]

Deals are made between companies, regulations just make things harder.

Regulations are needed because mostly nations in the world usually try to protect their economy and therefore give their own companies an edge with economical or political support.

Through regulation something like is much harder to happen.

[Gronthaing]

Deals are made between companies, regulations just make things harder.

Regulations are needed because mostly nations in the world usually try to protect their economy and therefore give their own companies an edge with economical or political support.

Through regulation something like is much harder to happen.

Not only that. Hard to see a company dealing with externalities by themselves. Costs others pay because of the business. Even if they don't use it. Like polution, climate change, banks gambling with depositor money and crashing the economy, antibiotic resistant bacteria from industrial farming and over prescription, etc.

[mOgliE]

Sorry I didn't understand. You want England to leave the UK? So to keep only England, without Scotland, Wales or Norther Ireland?

But... What would be the point? It's like asking if a country should divide itself into 4 different parts, why doing so?

[onelove2111]

I am sure that this will never happen. This is a pretty stable country, To make such antics. For then there will be a decline of these areas. While together they are strong

[Gronthaing]

I am sure that this will never happen. This is a pretty stable country, To make such antics. For then there will be a decline of these areas. While together they are strong

Not so sure the uk is that stable. And that something like it will never happen. 2 years ago scotland wasn't very far from leaving the union. With the referendum to leave the eu scotland and ireland were considering leaving. If brexit goes ahead why would they stay in the uk?

[ObscureBean]

London also wants to leave and be independent, so why not the whole world become city states instead of big countries? I think that will solve a lot of the world's problems as they will be small and manageable.

That's actually not a bad idea but something like that would only work if every country in the world agreed to break up into city states. Something which is unlikely to happen. Any country that stays whole would hold power and control over the smaller independent states. There is a reason why every country tries to lay claim to as much land as they can. Not everyone wants equality. In such a scenario, independent states would likely have to unite into bigger entities to better counteract pressure from the countries left whole. And we're back to square one.