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July 08, 2016, 01:16:06 AM
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I got negative feedback from a user who refused escrow and a random user I never saw. There should be a way to apply to get feedback removed
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July 08, 2016, 01:40:07 AM
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Stop dealing in bitcointalk accounts.   It's shady as fuck and you deserve a neg for that.  However,  as has been pointed out,  my feedback will mean nothing to your account.   I do this for myself, as I have deleted DT from my trust thingee and I don't trust people who buy and sell accounts.  All too often people buy them to pull off scams, especially green trusted accounts hero and above.

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July 08, 2016, 01:42:51 AM
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Stop dealing in bitcointalk accounts.   It's shady as fuck and you deserve a neg for that.  However,  as has been pointed out,  my feedback will mean nothing to your account.   I do this for myself, as I have deleted DT from my trust thingee and I don't trust people who buy and sell accounts.  All too often people buy them to pull off scams, especially green trusted accounts hero and above.

You do know that no one likes you right.. I only deal in btc accounts because they are usually collateral in my loan service
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July 08, 2016, 02:32:40 AM
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Stop dealing in bitcointalk accounts.   It's shady as fuck and you deserve a neg for that.  However,  as has been pointed out,  my feedback will mean nothing to your account.   I do this for myself, as I have deleted DT from my trust thingee and I don't trust people who buy and sell accounts.  All too often people buy them to pull off scams, especially green trusted accounts hero and above.

You do know that no one likes you right.. I only deal in btc accounts because they are usually collateral in my loan service


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Even though it is non DT, with all that red from several users nobody is going to trade with you.


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July 08, 2016, 02:35:13 AM
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Stop dealing in bitcointalk accounts.   It's shady as fuck and you deserve a neg for that.  However,  as has been pointed out,  my feedback will mean nothing to your account.   I do this for myself, as I have deleted DT from my trust thingee and I don't trust people who buy and sell accounts.  All too often people buy them to pull off scams, especially green trusted accounts hero and above.

You do know that no one likes you right.. I only deal in btc accounts because they are usually collateral in my loan service


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Even though it is non DT, with all that red from several users nobody is going to trade with you.


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Exactly, that's why it's abused! 1 neg feedback was from guy who refused escrow, and I don't even know the other 2!
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July 08, 2016, 03:05:49 AM
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Well. I just got negged because I showed interest in purchasing an account. I publicly admit every single one of my alts, yet this guy uses my trust page as a public message board.

If I was hoping to scam, I could easily purchase a hero member. Why would I want a Sr Member? I'm halfway to hero myself.

Utter bullshit.
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July 08, 2016, 03:39:16 AM
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Quote from: The Pharmacist link=topic=1542520.msg15508614#msg15508614 d. e=1467942007
Stop dealing in bitcointalk accounts.   It's shady as fuck and you deserve a neg for that.  However,  as has been pointed out,  my feedback will mean nothing to your account.   I do this for myself, as I have deleted DT from my trust thingee and I don't trust people who buy and sell accounts.  All too often people buy them to pull off scams, especially green trusted accounts hero and above.

You do know that no one likes you right.. I only deal in btc accounts because they are usually collateral in my loan service
Oh, you broke my heart!  [/s].

Go ahead and buy and sell accounts,  I'm not stopping you.   The flip side of that is don't whine like a child who's been weaned off the breast with a pickle.   Be a man, don't be a petulant 3rd grader.  This is fucking bitcoin.

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July 08, 2016, 03:49:46 AM
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The forum owners knew that there will be complaints like this that someone is going to claim that trust system is abused by putting negative feedback from users they never had any deal or trade thats why there is a "Trusted" and "Untrusted" feedback.

Those who falls under the "Trusted" feedback are the ones you trusted if you changed you trusted list or in the default trust list. Those who are in the Default Trust list "dont" get in that list because they are high rollers or as* kisser (unless I missed something) there has to be a very good reason why they are in the list.

Those feedback who falls under the "Untrusted" list should be taken with a grain of salt although there are those who are not yet in the Default Trust list but are pretty much trusted because of their contribution in the forum, their length of stay in the forum without any issue or problem and their growing list of successful and unquestionable trade.
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July 08, 2016, 05:00:35 AM
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The forum owners knew that there will be complaints like this that someone is going to claim that trust system is abused by putting negative feedback from users they never had any deal or trade thats why there is a "Trusted" and "Untrusted" feedback.

Those who falls under the "Trusted" feedback are the ones you trusted if you changed you trusted list or in the default trust list. Those who are in the Default Trust list "dont" get in that list because they are high rollers or as* kisser (unless I missed something) there has to be a very good reason why they are in the list.

Those feedback who falls under the "Untrusted" list should be taken with a grain of salt although there are those who are not yet in the Default Trust list but are pretty much trusted because of their contribution in the forum, their length of stay in the forum without any issue or problem and their growing list of successful and unquestionable trade.

Everyone is supposed to have their own trust lists. Default trust is just the default. DT could be outdated, biased, have highrollers and as*kissers and whatever. There need not be any reason for them to be in DT. It doesn't matter.
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July 08, 2016, 09:36:48 AM
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If I was hoping to scam, I could . . .

Ah, yes, the ol' "Hey I'm innocent because if I was going to scam I'd [insert irrelevant straw-man here]" excuse.

It isn't complicated, people who buy and sell bitcointalk accounts provide the means for scammers to scam, much as in the way people who participate in ponzi/pyramid/hyips provide the means for the operators to steal money. There isn't an honest reason for people to need to buy an account. Signature campaigns pay more for senior-level accounts because their post content, and the signature they wear, are more likely to be seen as legitimate over that of newbie accounts. So buying one and misrepresenting yourself as being that user for the purpose of earning money from a signature campaign is fraudulent, ergo, dishonest.

It's almost as if you're claiming to be incapable of understanding such a basic premise.


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July 09, 2016, 07:34:45 AM
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I got negative feedback from a user who refused escrow and a random user I never saw. There should be a way to apply to get feedback removed

If there was no scamming or any illegal action from your account, you should appeal to get that removed.
Anyway it does not affect the account without the proper link in the feedback (trust).

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July 10, 2016, 02:42:03 AM
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I got negative feedback from a user who refused escrow and a random user I never saw. There should be a way to apply to get feedback removed

If there was no scamming or any illegal action from your account, you should appeal to get that removed.

Anyway it does not affect the account without the proper link in the feedback (trust).

Don't encourage that.  There is no appeal process... feedback is NOT moderated, except in case of spam (posting the same feedback hundreds of times in a row).

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July 12, 2016, 12:08:49 AM
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I can see that you can get negative trust easily with one report, and after that no one give a damn if your negative trust gets removed or not
So how does one gets negative trust removed if you are not trading on forums, then how? by creating accounts and  giving your self feed back?

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July 12, 2016, 07:33:45 AM
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I got negative feedback from a user who refused escrow and a random user I never saw. There should be a way to apply to get feedback removed

If there was no scamming or any illegal action from your account, you should appeal to get that removed.

Anyway it does not affect the account without the proper link in the feedback (trust).

Don't encourage that.  There is no appeal process... feedback is NOT moderated, except in case of spam (posting the same feedback hundreds of times in a row).

So how about this one The Pharmacist is that not count as spam too?
You can check at my feedback, he gave me -ve trust and say me have an open scam accusiations, even i dont have it

Already msg him to remove but likely he ignore me
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July 13, 2016, 12:41:37 AM
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I got negative feedback from a user who refused escrow and a random user I never saw. There should be a way to apply to get feedback removed

If there was no scamming or any illegal action from your account, you should appeal to get that removed.

Anyway it does not affect the account without the proper link in the feedback (trust).

Don't encourage that.  There is no appeal process... feedback is NOT moderated, except in case of spam (posting the same feedback hundreds of times in a row).

So how about this one The Pharmacist is that not count as spam too?
You can check at my feedback, he gave me -ve trust and say me have an open scam accusiations, even i dont have it

Already msg him to remove but likely he ignore me

Hmm, looking at all the dubious trust feedback that The Pharmacist is getting since they started tagging those involved in account sales. Interesting to see how those claiming "trust abuse" provide no evidence / reference links and tend to add personal insults. Whereas The Pharmacist is taking time to add a reference to an account sales thread on every single feedback he left for that.

I can only come to the conclusion that The Pharmacist is on to something. Is he threatening your business model, account farmers and scammers? If so, good on him!

@The Pharmacist, thanks for taking the time to flag these accounts. Cheers.
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July 13, 2016, 02:21:43 AM
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I can see that you can get negative trust easily with one report, and after that no one give a damn if your negative trust gets removed or not
So how does one gets negative trust removed if you are not trading on forums, then how? by creating accounts and  giving your self feed back?

Do that and you'll likely get negged even more. There are very few things despised more that the myriads of scams and scam enablers here - and trust manipulation would be one of them.

Also whining publicly about untrusted feedback can only make it worse. I think we are lucky though that all you penny scammers aren't very bright and keep wasting your time on rubbish like this.

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July 13, 2016, 03:15:09 AM
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Also whining publicly about untrusted feedback can only make it worse.
People frequently send negative trust based on "untrusted" feedback that others have left. Someone who cares about their reputation will want to prevent any kind of negative feedback from appearing on their profile whenever possible.

Your post makes it sound as if you are arguing that it is okay to scam someone as long as they are not in the DT network and as long as they do not understand the importance of opening a scam accusation, and that all trust that is "untrusted" should be ignored.

There is also the possibility that someone will get added to the DT network in the future.

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July 13, 2016, 10:11:38 AM
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Also whining publicly about untrusted feedback can only make it worse.
People frequently send negative trust based on "untrusted" feedback that others have left. Someone who cares about their reputation will want to prevent any kind of negative feedback from appearing on their profile whenever possible.

Your post makes it sound as if you are arguing that it is okay to scam someone as long as they are not in the DT network and as long as they do not understand the importance of opening a scam accusation, and that all trust that is "untrusted" should be ignored.

There is also the possibility that someone will get added to the DT network in the future.

All this is just your speculation. I didn't mean any of that. Try reading or smth.

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July 13, 2016, 12:07:07 PM
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The mods dont have any time to moderate the trust system, after a while, the trust system balances itself out.

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July 14, 2016, 06:40:21 AM
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So how about this one The Pharmacist is that not count as spam too?

No, he is not spamming feedback.

An example can be seen on my feedback page:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=30747

Do a search on that page for "ecorox".  You will find 52 identical feedback posts.  That is spam.

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