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July 09, 2016, 10:27:20 PM
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Cryptodevil recently negged me for a reason I deem unnecessary. For showing an interest in buying an account. I do not want to scam and I never will. If I wanted to scam I could not than easily buy a hero account and scam. But I don't.

I openly disclose all my accounts above member, as this is the minimum level that people will have any level of trust with, and the rank you can get into a signature campaign.

If you want, I can list them here.

He is ignoring the pm I sent him more than 4 days ago.  Doesn't everyone have the right to at least get a response on why you ruined their reputation, no matter how small?

I believe this rep is unnecessary. I'm asking for the community's help to at least persuade him to change it to a neutral feedback.

I'm leaving this thing non-self-moderated. Any information will be handed over willingly.

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July 09, 2016, 10:39:37 PM
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We judge ourselves by our intentions. 

We judge others by their actions.

There are two reasons why an account would be bought.  1)  Scamming, and it doesn't even have to be from a green-trusted account.  2)  Sig campaigns.  And this leads to a lot of spamming, which makes our forum all the more shitty.

So buying and selling accounts is a disreputable, despicable act and should be tagged as such.  It certainly is untrustworthy behavior.

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July 09, 2016, 10:45:04 PM
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A negative rating won't affect a good person.  If you're a good person the forum will know and respect you.  If not, then you earned it and many more to come.
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July 10, 2016, 11:51:26 AM
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We judge ourselves by our intentions.  

We judge others by their actions.

There are two reasons why an account would be bought.  1)  Scamming, and it doesn't even have to be from a green-trusted account.  2)  Sig campaigns.  And this leads to a lot of spamming, which makes our forum all the more shitty.

So buying and selling accounts is a disreputable, despicable act and should be tagged as such.  It certainly is untrustworthy behavior.

1. I'm happy to say that even if someone pulls of a scam in the lending section nowadays they'd make nor more than a 0.01 BTC profit.

2. Nice analogy. But irl, we judge ourselves by both. Same with the latter. Even to a fool, it's plain to see that Cryptodevil has a fetish for negging people. Masochistic, if you may. Anyone, anyone he finds breaking a single rule he finds gets rep bombed. Not a warning, not even a post in the thread to reason with a guy. Just flexing his virtual muscles.

3. I can barely keep up 50 posts a week on this account - How would I manage 50 posts a week on another sig campaign, let alone 20 a day on YoShit?

Pretty much anyone posting inquiring in any thread in Investor Based games, or in an account selling thread, boom. Gone. I didn't even bid.

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July 11, 2016, 01:06:07 AM
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We judge ourselves by our intentions.  

We judge others by their actions.

There are two reasons why an account would be bought.  1)  Scamming, and it doesn't even have to be from a green-trusted account.  2)  Sig campaigns.  And this leads to a lot of spamming, which makes our forum all the more shitty.

So buying and selling accounts is a disreputable, despicable act and should be tagged as such.  It certainly is untrustworthy behavior.

1. I'm happy to say that even if someone pulls of a scam in the lending section nowadays they'd make nor more than a 0.01 BTC profit.

2. Nice analogy. But irl, we judge ourselves by both. Same with the latter. Even to a fool, it's plain to see that Cryptodevil has a fetish for negging people. Masochistic, if you may. Anyone, anyone he finds breaking a single rule he finds gets rep bombed. Not a warning, not even a post in the thread to reason with a guy. Just flexing his virtual muscles.

3. I can barely keep up 50 posts a week on this account - How would I manage 50 posts a week on another sig campaign, let alone 20 a day on YoShit?

Pretty much anyone posting inquiring in any thread in Investor Based games, or in an account selling thread, boom. Gone. I didn't even bid.


Well you bid on an account in the thread that I referenced in the trust I left you.

My point was that I can only judge account dealers by their actions,  not their intentions.   And the act of buying or selling an account on this forum is a disreputable act and my feedback reflects this. 

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July 11, 2016, 06:42:46 AM
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He is ignoring the pm I sent him more than 4 days ago.  Doesn't everyone have the right to at least get a response on why you ruined their reputation, no matter how small?

Did you not read the text of the rating?
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Interested in purchasing a senior level forum account. The buying and selling of forum accounts allows scammers to more effectively steal money from other people. While it is not against forum rules, per se, the community is now pretty much fucking done with it, given all the problems it causes and people who participate in it are sketchy as fuck.


In your pm to me you said this:
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I have never scammed and have no intention to.

I kindly ask you to remove your feedback, or at least change it to neutral.

Since when did scammers start posting of their intention to scam? Did I miss a meeting?

You asked me to remove/modify my rating of my opinion concerning those who trade forum accounts, but seeing as the only reason you give for doing so is the claim that you have no intention to scam, the answer is no as nothing has changed since I left it so why would I?

What is it with bitcoin and this absurd notion that nobody should ever be held to account for their behaviour? Let's not lose sight of the fact here, NOTHING I AM DOING physically prevents you from continuing your shady trade. Nothing. The rating isn't for you, it is for everybody else to better appraise you.


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July 11, 2016, 11:18:00 AM
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He is ignoring the pm I sent him more than 4 days ago.  Doesn't everyone have the right to at least get a response on why you ruined their reputation, no matter how small?

Did you not read the text of the rating?
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Interested in purchasing a senior level forum account. The buying and selling of forum accounts allows scammers to more effectively steal money from other people. While it is not against forum rules, per se, the community is now pretty much fucking done with it, given all the problems it causes and people who participate in it are sketchy as fuck.


In your pm to me you said this:
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I have never scammed and have no intention to.

I kindly ask you to remove your feedback, or at least change it to neutral.

Since when did scammers start posting of their intention to scam? Did I miss a meeting?

You asked me to remove/modify my rating of my opinion concerning those who trade forum accounts, but seeing as the only reason you give for doing so is the claim that you have no intention to scam, the answer is no as nothing has changed since I left it so why would I?

What is it with bitcoin and this absurd notion that nobody should ever be held to account for their behaviour? Let's not lose sight of the fact here, NOTHING I AM DOING physically prevents you from continuing your shady trade. Nothing. The rating isn't for you, it is for everybody else to better appraise you.



Then from what you're saying, you're using my trust as a message to account sellers. That's not what it's for. What happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?

I've done large trades on and off this forum, which I can show proof of. Did I scam? No. I can give you proof of that, too.

In all honestly, I have no need to scam. I am reasonably well off with my day job. If there's anything I can do that will clear my name, I'd be happy to comply. I guess I'll just have to make do.


We judge ourselves by our intentions. 

We judge others by their actions.

There are two reasons why an account would be bought.  1)  Scamming, and it doesn't even have to be from a green-trusted account.  2)  Sig campaigns.  And this leads to a lot of spamming, which makes our forum all the more shitty.

So buying and selling accounts is a disreputable, despicable act and should be tagged as such.  It certainly is untrustworthy behavior.

1. I'm happy to say that even if someone pulls of a scam in the lending section nowadays they'd make nor more than a 0.01 BTC profit.

2. Nice analogy. But irl, we judge ourselves by both. Same with the latter. Even to a fool, it's plain to see that Cryptodevil has a fetish for negging people. Masochistic, if you may. Anyone, anyone he finds breaking a single rule he finds gets rep bombed. Not a warning, not even a post in the thread to reason with a guy. Just flexing his virtual muscles.

3. I can barely keep up 50 posts a week on this account - How would I manage 50 posts a week on another sig campaign, let alone 20 a day on YoShit?

Pretty much anyone posting inquiring in any thread in Investor Based games, or in an account selling thread, boom. Gone. I didn't even bid.


Well you bid on an account in the thread that I referenced in the trust I left you.

My point was that I can only judge account dealers by their actions,  not their intentions.   And the act of buying or selling an account on this forum is a disreputable act and my feedback reflects this. 

I clearly posted above in that thread that he was going to get negged and that he was selling the account. How would I scam with that account, huh?
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July 11, 2016, 02:08:09 PM
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Cryptodevil recently negged me for a reason I deem unnecessary. For showing an interest in buying an account. I do not want to scam and I never will. If I wanted to scam I could not than easily buy a hero account and scam. But I don't.

I openly disclose all my accounts above member, as this is the minimum level that people will have any level of trust with, and the rank you can get into a signature campaign.

If you want, I can list them here.

He is ignoring the pm I sent him more than 4 days ago.  Doesn't everyone have the right to at least get a response on why you ruined their reputation, no matter how small?

I believe this rep is unnecessary. I'm asking for the community's help to at least persuade him to change it to a neutral feedback.

I'm leaving this thing non-self-moderated. Any information will be handed over willingly.

Regards,
Monnt
I dont know where you did your posts,but i assume
that he did not do this without a reason.
Probably you were posting under some ponzi scheme,and he just decided to give you untrust,that is simple right?

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July 11, 2016, 02:32:35 PM
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He is ignoring the pm I sent him more than 4 days ago.  Doesn't everyone have the right to at least get a response on why you ruined their reputation, no matter how small?

Did you not read the text of the rating?
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Interested in purchasing a senior level forum account. The buying and selling of forum accounts allows scammers to more effectively steal money from other people. While it is not against forum rules, per se, the community is now pretty much fucking done with it, given all the problems it causes and people who participate in it are sketchy as fuck.


In your pm to me you said this:
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I have never scammed and have no intention to.

I kindly ask you to remove your feedback, or at least change it to neutral.

Since when did scammers start posting of their intention to scam? Did I miss a meeting?

You asked me to remove/modify my rating of my opinion concerning those who trade forum accounts, but seeing as the only reason you give for doing so is the claim that you have no intention to scam, the answer is no as nothing has changed since I left it so why would I?

What is it with bitcoin and this absurd notion that nobody should ever be held to account for their behaviour? Let's not lose sight of the fact here, NOTHING I AM DOING physically prevents you from continuing your shady trade. Nothing. The rating isn't for you, it is for everybody else to better appraise you.



Then from what you're saying, you're using my trust as a message to account sellers. That's not what it's for. What happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?

I've done large trades on and off this forum, which I can show proof of. Did I scam? No. I can give you proof of that, too.

In all honestly, I have no need to scam. I am reasonably well off with my day job. If there's anything I can do that will clear my name, I'd be happy to comply. I guess I'll just have to make do.


We judge ourselves by our intentions. 

We judge others by their actions.

There are two reasons why an account would be bought.  1)  Scamming, and it doesn't even have to be from a green-trusted account.  2)  Sig campaigns.  And this leads to a lot of spamming, which makes our forum all the more shitty.

So buying and selling accounts is a disreputable, despicable act and should be tagged as such.  It certainly is untrustworthy behavior.

1. I'm happy to say that even if someone pulls of a scam in the lending section nowadays they'd make nor more than a 0.01 BTC profit.

2. Nice analogy. But irl, we judge ourselves by both. Same with the latter. Even to a fool, it's plain to see that Cryptodevil has a fetish for negging people. Masochistic, if you may. Anyone, anyone he finds breaking a single rule he finds gets rep bombed. Not a warning, not even a post in the thread to reason with a guy. Just flexing his virtual muscles.

3. I can barely keep up 50 posts a week on this account - How would I manage 50 posts a week on another sig campaign, let alone 20 a day on YoShit?

Pretty much anyone posting inquiring in any thread in Investor Based games, or in an account selling thread, boom. Gone. I didn't even bid.


Well you bid on an account in the thread that I referenced in the trust I left you.

My point was that I can only judge account dealers by their actions,  not their intentions.   And the act of buying or selling an account on this forum is a disreputable act and my feedback reflects this. 

I clearly posted above in that thread that he was going to get negged and that he was selling the account. How would I scam with that account, huh?
You really are dumb.  Either way, you're dumb.  And you ended up bidding on the account after your warning anyway.

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July 11, 2016, 02:39:14 PM
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A negative rating won't affect a good person.  If you're a good person the forum will know and respect you.  If not, then you earned it and many more to come.

I think this is not about good people or respect. but this is about the signature campaign that he uses now, because if he gets neg trust. he would automatically be kicked out by the signature campaign that he is using now.

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July 11, 2016, 10:26:52 PM
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A negative rating won't affect a good person.  If you're a good person the forum will know and respect you.  If not, then you earned it and many more to come.

I think this is not about good people or respect. but this is about the signature campaign that he uses now, because if he gets neg trust. he would automatically be kicked out by the signature campaign that he is using now.

If it was about that, I wouldn't be online anymore.

Cryptodevil recently negged me for a reason I deem unnecessary. For showing an interest in buying an account. I do not want to scam and I never will. If I wanted to scam I could not than easily buy a hero account and scam. But I don't.

I openly disclose all my accounts above member, as this is the minimum level that people will have any level of trust with, and the rank you can get into a signature campaign.

If you want, I can list them here.

He is ignoring the pm I sent him more than 4 days ago.  Doesn't everyone have the right to at least get a response on why you ruined their reputation, no matter how small?

I believe this rep is unnecessary. I'm asking for the community's help to at least persuade him to change it to a neutral feedback.

I'm leaving this thing non-self-moderated. Any information will be handed over willingly.

Regards,
Monnt
I dont know where you did your posts,but i assume
that he did not do this without a reason.
Probably you were posting under some ponzi scheme,and he just decided to give you untrust,that is simple right?

Don't even read. Clearly have no idea what this thread is even about. I bet you won't even read this post.

He is ignoring the pm I sent him more than 4 days ago.  Doesn't everyone have the right to at least get a response on why you ruined their reputation, no matter how small?

Did you not read the text of the rating?
Quote
Interested in purchasing a senior level forum account. The buying and selling of forum accounts allows scammers to more effectively steal money from other people. While it is not against forum rules, per se, the community is now pretty much fucking done with it, given all the problems it causes and people who participate in it are sketchy as fuck.


In your pm to me you said this:
Quote
I have never scammed and have no intention to.

I kindly ask you to remove your feedback, or at least change it to neutral.

Since when did scammers start posting of their intention to scam? Did I miss a meeting?

You asked me to remove/modify my rating of my opinion concerning those who trade forum accounts, but seeing as the only reason you give for doing so is the claim that you have no intention to scam, the answer is no as nothing has changed since I left it so why would I?

What is it with bitcoin and this absurd notion that nobody should ever be held to account for their behaviour? Let's not lose sight of the fact here, NOTHING I AM DOING physically prevents you from continuing your shady trade. Nothing. The rating isn't for you, it is for everybody else to better appraise you.



Then from what you're saying, you're using my trust as a message to account sellers. That's not what it's for. What happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?

I've done large trades on and off this forum, which I can show proof of. Did I scam? No. I can give you proof of that, too.

In all honestly, I have no need to scam. I am reasonably well off with my day job. If there's anything I can do that will clear my name, I'd be happy to comply. I guess I'll just have to make do.


We judge ourselves by our intentions. 

We judge others by their actions.

There are two reasons why an account would be bought.  1)  Scamming, and it doesn't even have to be from a green-trusted account.  2)  Sig campaigns.  And this leads to a lot of spamming, which makes our forum all the more shitty.

So buying and selling accounts is a disreputable, despicable act and should be tagged as such.  It certainly is untrustworthy behavior.

1. I'm happy to say that even if someone pulls of a scam in the lending section nowadays they'd make nor more than a 0.01 BTC profit.

2. Nice analogy. But irl, we judge ourselves by both. Same with the latter. Even to a fool, it's plain to see that Cryptodevil has a fetish for negging people. Masochistic, if you may. Anyone, anyone he finds breaking a single rule he finds gets rep bombed. Not a warning, not even a post in the thread to reason with a guy. Just flexing his virtual muscles.

3. I can barely keep up 50 posts a week on this account - How would I manage 50 posts a week on another sig campaign, let alone 20 a day on YoShit?

Pretty much anyone posting inquiring in any thread in Investor Based games, or in an account selling thread, boom. Gone. I didn't even bid.


Well you bid on an account in the thread that I referenced in the trust I left you.

My point was that I can only judge account dealers by their actions,  not their intentions.   And the act of buying or selling an account on this forum is a disreputable act and my feedback reflects this. 

I clearly posted above in that thread that he was going to get negged and that he was selling the account. How would I scam with that account, huh?
You really are dumb.  Either way, you're dumb.  And you ended up bidding on the account after your warning anyway.

I'm not dumb. I requested to purchase the account in the hope of it being negged. I wanted to see the effect of a positive rep from a negative account if they were on your trust list. If I asked that in the meta board, that would be a shady question
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July 12, 2016, 04:17:51 PM
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I'm not dumb. I requested to purchase the account in the hope of it being negged. I wanted to see the effect of a positive rep from a negative account if they were on your trust list. If I asked that in the meta board, that would be a shady question

That's probably one of the most ridiculous excuses I've ever heard. Nothing shady about asking, not to mention you can probably find dozens of posts explaining how it works.

But if you really need an experiment just find any neg-repped account who has left someone a positive rating and add them to your trust list. No need to buy an account for that. On the other hand now that you have a neg yourself you can figure it out even easier.

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I'm not dumb. I requested to purchase the account in the hope of it being negged. I wanted to see the effect of a positive rep from a negative account if they were on your trust list. If I asked that in the meta board, that would be a shady question

That's probably one of the most ridiculous excuses I've ever heard. Nothing shady about asking, not to mention you can probably find dozens of posts explaining how it works.

But if you really need an experiment just find any neg-repped account who has left someone a positive rating and add them to your trust list. No need to buy an account for that. On the other hand now that you have a neg yourself you can figure it out even easier.
Mind giving me a link? There are alot of threads about the trust network, but not of mine specifically.

Already done that.

Honestly, if I were a scammer, I would've just made a fresh account to buy another. And furthermore, I wouldn't be arguing this far. My account would simply disappear.

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I'm not dumb. I requested to purchase the account in the hope of it being negged. I wanted to see the effect of a positive rep from a negative account if they were on your trust list. If I asked that in the meta board, that would be a shady question

That's probably one of the most ridiculous excuses I've ever heard. Nothing shady about asking, not to mention you can probably find dozens of posts explaining how it works.

But if you really need an experiment just find any neg-repped account who has left someone a positive rating and add them to your trust list. No need to buy an account for that. On the other hand now that you have a neg yourself you can figure it out even easier.
Mind giving me a link? There are alot of threads about the trust network, but not of mine specifically.

Already done that.

Honestly, if I were a scammer, I would've just made a fresh account to buy another. And furthermore, I wouldn't be arguing this far. My account would simply disappear.


This is a good start:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.400

Read the whole thread or at least the first few and the last few pages. I think you'll find out that received feedback has no bearing on the weight of sent feedback. Only the trust tree (custom or default) matters.

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July 13, 2016, 12:25:16 PM
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I'm not dumb. I requested to purchase the account in the hope of it being negged. I wanted to see the effect of a positive rep from a negative account if they were on your trust list. If I asked that in the meta board, that would be a shady question

That's probably one of the most ridiculous excuses I've ever heard. Nothing shady about asking, not to mention you can probably find dozens of posts explaining how it works.

But if you really need an experiment just find any neg-repped account who has left someone a positive rating and add them to your trust list. No need to buy an account for that. On the other hand now that you have a neg yourself you can figure it out even easier.
Mind giving me a link? There are alot of threads about the trust network, but not of mine specifically.

Already done that.

Honestly, if I were a scammer, I would've just made a fresh account to buy another. And furthermore, I wouldn't be arguing this far. My account would simply disappear.


This is a good start:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.400

Read the whole thread or at least the first few and the last few pages. I think you'll find out that received feedback has no bearing on the weight of sent feedback. Only the trust tree (custom or default) matters.

Never saw that. Thanks for the info. I guess cryptodevil is as stubborn as an ox. Because I do something you deem shady does not mean that I'm instantly a scammer. Therefore a negative rep shouldn't be used in this case. I am not untrustworthy. You can keep a close eye on me, any trade that I make involving an element of risk, you can pm me other person in the deal. Or even if you see me purchase an account, you can ask me and I'll give you the username. I made more than this account could ever scam in three weeks in bitmixer. Why would I want to scam, anyways?

"Innocent until proven guilty". What a joke.

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July 13, 2016, 12:47:37 PM
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[insert, "I have no need to scam"-based excuses here]

You keep on complaining about how you've been tagged for facilitating the trade of forum accounts as though you are being accused of scamming when, as is made perfectly clear by the text describing the reason for the rating, it is the facilitation of account trading that allows scammers to use such accounts for scamming.

There's nothing about you being a scammer, but your actions help the account trade business to function when there is no legitimate reason for buying/selling forum accounts.

Am I speaking Chinese here or something? What's so difficult to understand?

For all your continued posts about how you apparently have no motive/need/desire to scam, along with a sprinkling of, "if I was going to scam I'd . . .instead" fallacy, it does then prompt me to ask why the fuck you are getting involved in buying/selling forum accounts if you know the trade facilitates scamming?

Your, "I just wanted to test what happens . . ." excuse is way more shady than had you simply asked the question in 'Meta'.

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Never saw that. Thanks for the info. I guess cryptodevil is as stubborn as an ox. Because I do something you deem shady does not mean that I'm instantly a scammer. Therefore a negative rep shouldn't be used in this case. I am not untrustworthy. You can keep a close eye on me, any trade that I make involving an element of risk, you can pm me other person in the deal. Or even if you see me purchase an account, you can ask me and I'll give you the username. I made more than this account could ever scam in three weeks in bitmixer. Why would I want to scam, anyways?

"Innocent until proven guilty". What a joke.

This is not criminal justice system, there is no such thing here as "innocent until proven guilty". Anyone is free to trust or not trust anybody else and also build their own trust lists.

I wouldn't trust my neighborhood smack dealer nor any of his clients even if none of them have been convicted or otherwise "proven guilty". Account trade is much like that. You might think it's all above board and "no harm no foul" and all that shit, yet someone else thinks your actions are shady and your excuses are lame and you get red. Ain't free speech wonderful.

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August 02, 2016, 12:39:54 AM
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I am feeling guilty of doing such activity. from now i will be against such things !
hope god will find me a good way !
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August 02, 2016, 12:10:04 PM
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Its good that you have felt guilty for your doings, but you need to show this forum that you are not that one who should be with negative trust !
as you have felt yourself of your mistake, cryptodevil will surely remove the negative trust from you but you need to make yourself good from now onwards otherwise you will be getting 100's of red trusts !
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August 02, 2016, 04:47:49 PM
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A senior member account would be worthless to you anyway OP.
It does seem starnge thatsomeone would give negative rep for that though maybe it is reasonable if you have been known for scamming or being trusted. As you have 1+ trust previously, then giving you 1- to warn people about the intention.
This information should've been given as a neutral trust but is not necessarily too bad as others will view if it is reasonable or unreasonable also.

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