[Primedice] Beware Guyz, Scamming HR!!!!!!

[Quickseller]

How much exactly did you win from PD? How large were your original deposit(s)? Are you using TOR/VPN?

any of this rly matter or necessary as long as if he didnt cheat or use any exploit?

Well if he did in some way cheat they might not be able to detect it right away. Hufflepuff was able to use an exploit that was undetected for a long time after he stopped playing under that name.

Still not a valid reason to ask for so much info or holding his coins without explaining why.

I disagree. PD has every right to ask questions when they come across something they deem to be suspicious. Just as they have the right to investigate. I would not find it to be especially out of the ordinary if a large withdrawal was delayed a few days, and don't think it is uncommon for a withdrawal to be delayed by sites for several hours.

From the looks of it, Edward is trying to find a person he can sue in the event that an investigation reveals that an exploit was used.

you turning 0.01 into 80 coins

That is crazy.

I don't care if he cheated or not.

I am pretty sure that PD cares if the OP cheated. They have no reason to pay him if in fact he did cheat.

Dude can u also explain how people lost hundreds of btcs in ur fuckn site.??

It is trivial for any player to verify every one of their loosing bets to ensure that the bet was fair. The player can verify that the outcome of the roll was decided prior to the bet being made, which would result in it being impossible for the casino to cheat the player as long as they verify their bets.

Afterall people loose thousands of coins and fuckers like u act like its normal and fuckers like nlico come screaming provably fair. Now STUNNA , its time to GO LEARN HOW PROVABLY FAIR WORKS

It is trivial to prove that the casino did not cheat the player via provably fair, however it is much more difficult to prove the player did not cheat the casino via provably fair. The casino not getting cheated depends on them being able to keep the "server seed" secret, however it is very difficult to tell if a player was somehow able to "figure out" the server seed.

--snip--

Out of curiosity, are you an alt of robertt?

[Dyatrev]

How much exactly did you win from PD? How large were your original deposit(s)? Are you using TOR/VPN?

any of this rly matter or necessary as long as if he didnt cheat or use any exploit?

Well if he did in some way cheat they might not be able to detect it right away. Hufflepuff was able to use an exploit that was undetected for a long time after he stopped playing under that name.

Still not a valid reason to ask for so much info or holding his coins without explaining why.

I disagree. PD has every right to ask questions when they come across something they deem to be suspicious. Just as they have the right to investigate. I would not find it to be especially out of the ordinary if a large withdrawal was delayed a few days, and don't think it is uncommon for a withdrawal to be delayed by sites for several hours.

From the looks of it, Edward is trying to find a person he can sue in the event that an investigation reveals that an exploit was used.

you turning 0.01 into 80 coins

That is crazy.

I don't care if he cheated or not.

I am pretty sure that PD cares if the OP cheated. They have no reason to pay him if in fact he did cheat.

Dude can u also explain how people lost hundreds of btcs in ur fuckn site.??

It is trivial for any player to verify every one of their loosing bets to ensure that the bet was fair. The player can verify that the outcome of the roll was decided prior to the bet being made, which would result in it being impossible for the casino to cheat the player as long as they verify their bets.

Afterall people loose thousands of coins and fuckers like u act like its normal and fuckers like nlico come screaming provably fair. Now STUNNA , its time to GO LEARN HOW PROVABLY FAIR WORKS

It is trivial to prove that the casino did not cheat the player via provably fair, however it is much more difficult to prove the player did not cheat the casino via provably fair. The casino not getting cheated depends on them being able to keep the "server seed" secret, however it is very difficult to tell if a player was somehow able to "figure out" the server seed.

--snip--

Out of curiosity, are you an alt of robertt?

anyone know stunnas or edwards a info which be used for sue if they scam anyone?

[Quickseller]

anyone know stunnas or edwards a info which be used for sue if they scam anyone?

I am pretty sure that Edward's info is fairly public. I am not as sure about Stunna's information.

I came across Edward's FB profile several months ago (maybe a year+) when PD was running some kind of FB giveaway, and there was a fairly decent amount of publicly available information there. Not only that but PD has been around for long enough and has been entrusted with enough money to reasonably say that they can be trusted with fairly large amounts of money, and if you don't trust them with your money, or if you don't trust them to be fair, then you do not have to play at PD.....they do not have that option.

[Dyatrev]

anyone know stunnas or edwards a info which be used for sue if they scam anyone?

I am pretty sure that Edward's info is fairly public. I am not as sure about Stunna's information.

I came across Edward's FB profile several months ago (maybe a year+) when PD was running some kind of FB giveaway, and there was a fairly decent amount of publicly available information there. Not only that but PD has been around for long enough and has been entrusted with enough money to reasonably say that they can be trusted with fairly large amounts of money, and if you don't trust them with your money, or if you don't trust them to be fair, then you do not have to play at PD.....they do not have that option.

i am not against investigation if game played fairly or not

but when things came to gather info about player or coins things will change

if you dont want to pay winnings due to dirty coins you should not accept dirty coins

if you want to run annonmyous casino you should not look for non-annonymous players

[xetsr]

anyone know stunnas or edwards a info which be used for sue if they scam anyone?

I am pretty sure that Edward's info is fairly public. I am not as sure about Stunna's information.

I came across Edward's FB profile several months ago (maybe a year+) when PD was running some kind of FB giveaway, and there was a fairly decent amount of publicly available information there. Not only that but PD has been around for long enough and has been entrusted with enough money to reasonably say that they can be trusted with fairly large amounts of money, and if you don't trust them with your money, or if you don't trust them to be fair, then you do not have to play at PD.....they do not have that option.

i am not against investigation if game played fairly or not

but when things came to gather info about player or coins things will change

if you dont want to pay winnings due to dirty coins you should not accept dirty coins

if you want to run annonmyous casino you should not look for non-annonymous players

I don't think any of this has to do with "dirty coins". Asking for all that information was probably some type of stall tactic while they investigated the possibility of a hack / exploit being used.

[Dyatrev]

anyone know stunnas or edwards a info which be used for sue if they scam anyone?

I am pretty sure that Edward's info is fairly public. I am not as sure about Stunna's information.

I came across Edward's FB profile several months ago (maybe a year+) when PD was running some kind of FB giveaway, and there was a fairly decent amount of publicly available information there. Not only that but PD has been around for long enough and has been entrusted with enough money to reasonably say that they can be trusted with fairly large amounts of money, and if you don't trust them with your money, or if you don't trust them to be fair, then you do not have to play at PD.....they do not have that option.

i am not against investigation if game played fairly or not

but when things came to gather info about player or coins things will change

if you dont want to pay winnings due to dirty coins you should not accept dirty coins

if you want to run annonmyous casino you should not look for non-annonymous players

I don't think any of this has to do with "dirty coins". Asking for all that information was probably some type of stall tactic while they investigated the possibility of a hack / exploit being used.

they would just say that at first hand who would be against that
at all they prove their trust all those times 1 2 3 day or 1 week for investigation who would care except than op?

[Quickseller]

anyone know stunnas or edwards a info which be used for sue if they scam anyone?

I am pretty sure that Edward's info is fairly public. I am not as sure about Stunna's information.

I came across Edward's FB profile several months ago (maybe a year+) when PD was running some kind of FB giveaway, and there was a fairly decent amount of publicly available information there. Not only that but PD has been around for long enough and has been entrusted with enough money to reasonably say that they can be trusted with fairly large amounts of money, and if you don't trust them with your money, or if you don't trust them to be fair, then you do not have to play at PD.....they do not have that option.

i am not against investigation if game played fairly or not

2 - but when things came to gather info about player or coins things will change

3 - if you dont want to pay winnings due to dirty coins you should not accept dirty coins

4 - if you want to run annonmyous casino you should not look for non-annonymous players

2 - I believe the reason for asking the information is to have someone they can go after in the event that an investigation reveals he was cheating. From what I understand, sufficient answers to Edward's questions would allow the OP to receive his coins prior to the conclusion of an investigation.

3 - I don't think Edward was questioning if the coins were "dirty" or not, I think he was trying to find a way to go after the OP if an investigation revealed the OP was using an exploit.  For example, if the OP sent BTC from his bitstamp account to PD, then PD could ask bitstamp whose account was being used to withdraw from bitstamp

4 - I don't believe that PD has ever advertised themselves as being "anon" nor that player's can be "anon". it is a common misconception that Bitcoin is anonymous, however that is simply not true. 

[xetsr]

anyone know stunnas or edwards a info which be used for sue if they scam anyone?

I am pretty sure that Edward's info is fairly public. I am not as sure about Stunna's information.

I came across Edward's FB profile several months ago (maybe a year+) when PD was running some kind of FB giveaway, and there was a fairly decent amount of publicly available information there. Not only that but PD has been around for long enough and has been entrusted with enough money to reasonably say that they can be trusted with fairly large amounts of money, and if you don't trust them with your money, or if you don't trust them to be fair, then you do not have to play at PD.....they do not have that option.

i am not against investigation if game played fairly or not

but when things came to gather info about player or coins things will change

if you dont want to pay winnings due to dirty coins you should not accept dirty coins

if you want to run annonmyous casino you should not look for non-annonymous players

I don't think any of this has to do with "dirty coins". Asking for all that information was probably some type of stall tactic while they investigated the possibility of a hack / exploit being used.

they would just say that at first hand who would be against that
at all they prove their trust all those times 1 2 3 day or 1 week for investigation who would care except than op?

Why are you and RichGang trying to make this a issue with "dirty coins"? Maybe I missed something, but where is primedice claiming the coins are bad? I honestly don't think they or any other gambling site cares where coins come from as long as they're not double spends.

Sounds like you both are trying to take the focus off the real issue: Did he exploit the site and then try to withdraw 80 BTC

OP and Primedice haven't included alot of information so you guys are really jumping the gun, unless you know something that hasn't been posted public.

EDIT:

If you go back and look at OP you'll see he's claiming they are forcing him to tell personal details. I don't see that as the case:

https://postimg.org/image/3zo9nbtr5
"if you don't mind me asking"

https://postimg.org/image/40y7gqvkx
"I'd love to process the withdrawal as soon as possible"

https://postimg.org/image/ilfabkqjl
"I will need some"

He doesn't say anywhere the withdrawal can't be processed so I'm gonna assume if all information requested was provided, the withdrawal would have been much faster compared to waiting until the investigation is complete - Which is something I hope other sites do when processing large withdrawals. Letting users auto withdraw large amounts can be a huge issue, just look at the previous failed dice sites and sports books who claim hack / exploit.

[Dyatrev]

anyone know stunnas or edwards a info which be used for sue if they scam anyone?

I am pretty sure that Edward's info is fairly public. I am not as sure about Stunna's information.

I came across Edward's FB profile several months ago (maybe a year+) when PD was running some kind of FB giveaway, and there was a fairly decent amount of publicly available information there. Not only that but PD has been around for long enough and has been entrusted with enough money to reasonably say that they can be trusted with fairly large amounts of money, and if you don't trust them with your money, or if you don't trust them to be fair, then you do not have to play at PD.....they do not have that option.

i am not against investigation if game played fairly or not

but when things came to gather info about player or coins things will change

if you dont want to pay winnings due to dirty coins you should not accept dirty coins

if you want to run annonmyous casino you should not look for non-annonymous players

I don't think any of this has to do with "dirty coins". Asking for all that information was probably some type of stall tactic while they investigated the possibility of a hack / exploit being used.

they would just say that at first hand who would be against that
at all they prove their trust all those times 1 2 3 day or 1 week for investigation who would care except than op?

Why are you and RichGang trying to make this a issue with "dirty coins"? Maybe I missed something, but where is primedice claiming the coins are bad? I honestly don't think they or any other gambling site cares where coins come from as long as they're not double spends.

Sounds like you both are trying to take the focus off the real issue: Did he exploit the site and then try to withdraw 80 BTC

OP and Primedice haven't included alot of information so you guys are really jumping the gun, unless you know something that hasn't been posted public.

EDIT:

If you go back and look at OP you'll see he's claiming they are forcing him to tell personal details. I don't see that as the case:

https://postimg.org/image/3zo9nbtr5
"if you don't mind me asking"

https://postimg.org/image/40y7gqvkx
"I'd love to process the withdrawal as soon as possible"

https://postimg.org/image/ilfabkqjl
"I will need some"

He doesn't say anywhere the withdrawal can't be processed so I'm gonna assume if all information requested was provided, the withdrawal would have been much faster compared to waiting until the investigation is complete - Which is something I hope other sites do when processing large withdrawals. Letting users auto withdraw large amounts can be a huge issue, just look at the previous failed dice sites and sports books who claim hack / exploit.

which part we cant agree instead of saying your withdraw is pending because we are investigating possible cheat/exploit just bare little with us

why all those unnecesary questions?

[actmyname]

which part we cant agree instead of saying your withdraw is pending because we are investigating possible cheat/exploit just bare little with us

why all those unnecesary questions?

I think perhaps now you're starting to form the picture here. Hypothesize: if the player was in fact cheating but Edward paid him the coins, what then? Instead, if you can link the coins to someone whom you can penalize (perhaps legally) then you are able to recover the coins and also deter future cheating.

[Dyatrev]

anyone know stunnas or edwards a info which be used for sue if they scam anyone?

I am pretty sure that Edward's info is fairly public. I am not as sure about Stunna's information.

I came across Edward's FB profile several months ago (maybe a year+) when PD was running some kind of FB giveaway, and there was a fairly decent amount of publicly available information there. Not only that but PD has been around for long enough and has been entrusted with enough money to reasonably say that they can be trusted with fairly large amounts of money, and if you don't trust them with your money, or if you don't trust them to be fair, then you do not have to play at PD.....they do not have that option.

i am not against investigation if game played fairly or not

but when things came to gather info about player or coins things will change

if you dont want to pay winnings due to dirty coins you should not accept dirty coins

if you want to run annonmyous casino you should not look for non-annonymous players

I don't think any of this has to do with "dirty coins". Asking for all that information was probably some type of stall tactic while they investigated the possibility of a hack / exploit being used.

they would just say that at first hand who would be against that
at all they prove their trust all those times 1 2 3 day or 1 week for investigation who would care except than op?

Why are you and RichGang trying to make this a issue with "dirty coins"? Maybe I missed something, but where is primedice claiming the coins are bad? I honestly don't think they or any other gambling site cares where coins come from as long as they're not double spends.

Sounds like you both are trying to take the focus off the real issue: Did he exploit the site and then try to withdraw 80 BTC

OP and Primedice haven't included alot of information so you guys are really jumping the gun, unless you know something that hasn't been posted public.

EDIT:

If you go back and look at OP you'll see he's claiming they are forcing him to tell personal details. I don't see that as the case:

https://postimg.org/image/3zo9nbtr5
"if you don't mind me asking"

https://postimg.org/image/40y7gqvkx
"I'd love to process the withdrawal as soon as possible"

https://postimg.org/image/ilfabkqjl
"I will need some"

He doesn't say anywhere the withdrawal can't be processed so I'm gonna assume if all information requested was provided, the withdrawal would have been much faster compared to waiting until the investigation is complete - Which is something I hope other sites do when processing large withdrawals. Letting users auto withdraw large amounts can be a huge issue, just look at the previous failed dice sites and sports books who claim hack / exploit.

which part we cant agree instead of saying your withdraw is pending because we are investigating possible cheat/exploit just bare little with us

why all those unnecesary questions?

I think perhaps now you're starting to form the picture here. Hypothesize: if the player was in fact cheating but Edward paid him the coins, what then? Instead, if you can link the coins to someone whom you can penalize (perhaps legally) then you are able to recover the coins and also deter future cheating.

thousand of thousand bitcoins scammed by well known parties and anyone got his coins back by any legal ways?

[Quickseller]

I think there is a fairly good chance that the OP was involved in some kind of foul play. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the people posting in this thread are alts of the OP

[Dyatrev]

I think there is a fairly good chance that the OP was involved in some kind of foul play. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the people posting in this thread are alts of the OP

yeah maybe and i would be happy if they found out any cheating/exploit before they relase coins

[Sharma]

I think there is a fairly good chance that the OP was involved in some kind of foul play. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the people posting in this thread are alts of the OP

Well, stunna posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg15553640#msg15553640 that they are requiring a seed change for security reasons. I wonder if that is because of OP's foul play.

[Quickseller]

I think there is a fairly good chance that the OP was involved in some kind of foul play. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the people posting in this thread are alts of the OP

Well, stunna posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg15553640#msg15553640 that they are requiring a seed change for security reasons. I wonder if that is because of OP's foul play.

That is a big part of my basis for thinking that the OP is involved in some kind of foul play.

Another reason to be skeptical is the fact that players very rarely make 8,000x their initial deposit/bankroll for a number of reasons -- 1) it is statically very unlikely that someone will use the betting sequence(s)/seed combination(s) to potentially be able to make 8,000x their initial deposit 2) many players that do have the potential to make 8000x their deposit will stop well before reaching 8000x out of fear they might bust 3) Players that have the ability to make 8000x their deposit will continue gambling past 8000x until they bust

There is also the fact that the OP (via what appears to be shills) is attempting to put pressure on PD to process his withdrawal. In my experience whenever someone is putting pressure to give them money very quickly (and more quickly then the pace the person paying out is trying to go), there is often something going on that probably should not be going on.

All of this is speculative, however as a whole I believe it points to foul play. It may or may not result in PD failing to payout the OP's withdrawal though.

[Sharma]

I think there is a fairly good chance that the OP was involved in some kind of foul play. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the people posting in this thread are alts of the OP

Well, stunna posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg15553640#msg15553640 that they are requiring a seed change for security reasons. I wonder if that is because of OP's foul play.

That is a big part of my basis for thinking that the OP is involved in some kind of foul play.

Another reason to be skeptical is the fact that players very rarely make 8,000x their initial deposit/bankroll for a number of reasons -- 1) it is statically very unlikely that someone will use the betting sequence(s)/seed combination(s) to potentially be able to make 8,000x their initial deposit 2) many players that do have the potential to make 8000x their deposit will stop well before reaching 8000x out of fear they might bust 3) Players that have the ability to make 8000x their deposit will continue gambling past 8000x until they bust

Yeah, definitely. I think that it would be interesting to see how things turn out for both parties.

Seems like though that PD already incurred a loss by processing half his withdrawal.

[RichGang]

I cant quote cos am on mobile. First pd is an unlicenced casino. Even regarded as illegal.
There is NO pd TOS that says u will submit ur id if they feel u are cheating. Majority of u talking aint even gamblers and even if u gamble u you aint a high roller. As a professional high rolling gambler, I must say pd is doing shit by asking for an id. If soneone cheats, its ur duty to find out how. If I was comfortable with submitting my id for gambling, I would gamble in fiat sites that are licenced.  Because I wanna be anonymouse, I choosed btc gambling and am sure most of the high rollers prefer btc gambling for this reason.
IF FOR ANY REASON A PLAYER WILL BE ASKED FOR HIS I'D, THE CASINO IN QUESTION SHOULD STATE IN IN THE TOS LIKE LICIENCED CASINOS DO.
There are several reasons for asking a big winner for id. What if stunna and edward are planning to go rob this guy?
For security reasons, an unlicenced casino should not demand id like their licensed conterparts. If you want id, then get a legal license. Plain and simple.

[Dank Frank]

I cant quote cos am on mobile. First pd is an unlicenced casino. Even regarded as illegal.
There is NO pd TOS that says u will submit ur id if they feel u are cheating. Majority of u talking aint even gamblers and even if u gamble u you aint a high roller. As a professional high rolling gambler, I must say pd is doing shit by asking for an id. If soneone cheats, its ur duty to find out how. If I was comfortable with submitting my id for gambling, I would gamble in fiat sites that are licenced.  Because I wanna be anonymouse, I choosed btc gambling and am sure most of the high rollers prefer btc gambling for this reason.
IF FOR ANY REASON A PLAYER WILL BE ASKED FOR HIS I'D, THE CASINO IN QUESTION SHOULD STATE IN IN THE TOS LIKE LICIENCED CASINOS DO.
There are several reasons for asking a big winner for id. What if stunna and edward are planning to go rob this guy?
For security reasons, an unlicenced casino should not demand id like their licensed conterparts. If you want id, then get a legal license. Plain and simple.

Dude you are exhausting, first your scam accusations against betking and now almost a full page of rage against pd. Time to ignore you.

People, stunna already replied: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1546299.msg15549556#msg15549556
And he admits that Edward made a mistake by asking those kinda dumb questions.

Next time they will just answer: Sorry we found some suspicious behavior from your side on our website and are investigating this.
Like they should have to begin with.

The rest here is just speculating, hell lets wager some on it since most of us like to gamble???

[RichGang]

I cant quote cos am on mobile. First pd is an unlicenced casino. Even regarded as illegal.
There is NO pd TOS that says u will submit ur id if they feel u are cheating. Majority of u talking aint even gamblers and even if u gamble u you aint a high roller. As a professional high rolling gambler, I must say pd is doing shit by asking for an id. If soneone cheats, its ur duty to find out how. If I was comfortable with submitting my id for gambling, I would gamble in fiat sites that are licenced.  Because I wanna be anonymouse, I choosed btc gambling and am sure most of the high rollers prefer btc gambling for this reason.
IF FOR ANY REASON A PLAYER WILL BE ASKED FOR HIS I'D, THE CASINO IN QUESTION SHOULD STATE IN IN THE TOS LIKE LICIENCED CASINOS DO.
There are several reasons for asking a big winner for id. What if stunna and edward are planning to go rob this guy?
For security reasons, an unlicenced casino should not demand id like their licensed conterparts. If you want id, then get a legal license. Plain and simple.

Dude you are exhausting, first your scam accusations against betking and now almost a full page of rage against pd. Time to ignore you.

People, stunna already replied: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1546299.msg15549556#msg15549556
And he admits that Edward made a mistake by asking those kinda dumb questions.

Next time they will just answer: Sorry we found some suspicious behavior from your side on our website and are investigating this.
Like they should have to begin with.

The rest here is just speculating, hell lets wager some on it since most of us like to gamble???

Dude stfu if u got nothing to say. I have always accused pd of scamming.  It only took tim eea nd now ots surfacing. Watchout for betking soon

[boosh]

I cant quote cos am on mobile. First pd is an unlicenced casino. Even regarded as illegal.
There is NO pd TOS that says u will submit ur id if they feel u are cheating. Majority of u talking aint even gamblers and even if u gamble u you aint a high roller. As a professional high rolling gambler, I must say pd is doing shit by asking for an id. If soneone cheats, its ur duty to find out how. If I was comfortable with submitting my id for gambling, I would gamble in fiat sites that are licenced.  Because I wanna be anonymouse, I choosed btc gambling and am sure most of the high rollers prefer btc gambling for this reason.
IF FOR ANY REASON A PLAYER WILL BE ASKED FOR HIS I'D, THE CASINO IN QUESTION SHOULD STATE IN IN THE TOS LIKE LICIENCED CASINOS DO.
There are several reasons for asking a big winner for id. What if stunna and edward are planning to go rob this guy?
For security reasons, an unlicenced casino should not demand id like their licensed conterparts. If you want id, then get a legal license. Plain and simple.

Dude you are exhausting, first your scam accusations against betking and now almost a full page of rage against pd. Time to ignore you.

People, stunna already replied: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1546299.msg15549556#msg15549556
And he admits that Edward made a mistake by asking those kinda dumb questions.

Next time they will just answer: Sorry we found some suspicious behavior from your side on our website and are investigating this.
Like they should have to begin with.

The rest here is just speculating, hell lets wager some on it since most of us like to gamble???

Dude stfu if u got nothing to say. I have always accused pd of scamming.  It only took tim eea nd now ots surfacing. Watchout for betking soon

Candy/Pierre11, they let you ouf of the looneybin ?