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March 20, 2013, 06:39:36 PM
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Hello,

I just wanted to say that I think that the bitcoin.it wiki is far from being a wiki, as in wikipedia.

You need to pay a fee to be able to edit (0.01BTC/0.5€/0.6$) for EACH language you would like to contribute to :

https://it.bitcoin.it/wiki/Speciale:BitcoinPayment
https://fr.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:BitcoinPayment
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Special:BitcoinPayment
https://es.bitcoin.it/wiki/Especial:BitcoinPayment

And when you try to contact admin/mods through contact@bitcoin.it, you get no response (I was asking to allow me edit french pages as I made a donation to the "english" donation page.)

So my questions are : How could be a wiki that much broken become the "official" Bitcoin wiki ? How can this wiki be an incentive to get started with Bitcoins when there is only 2 pages in your language and you can't add content ?
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March 20, 2013, 06:42:15 PM
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Whats wrong with paying a small donation if you wish to edit it?

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March 20, 2013, 06:49:14 PM
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Guess what you don't like it, create your own wiki and prove that wiki is bad, instead of complaining.

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March 20, 2013, 06:50:32 PM
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As far as I know, "wiki" is not a synonym of a website with contents that everyone can edit. There are lots of wikis with locked-down pages that only the admin can edit, wikis that can only be edited by certain people (e.g. people who register and send an email somewhere asking for write permission), and even wikis (like the Bitcoin.it one) where one must pay to edit.

Personally I think that requiring a Bitcoin payment to enable editing is a smart feature to prevent bots from posting spam, and it ensures that the editor knows enough about the subject of the wiki (Bitcoin) to create bitcoin transations. About the fee being too high... well, some months ago 0.01 was "nothing". Now the standard for "nothing" is more like 0.0005, or even lower. That the fees are high is a more adequate subject for discussion, in my opinion.

EDIT: seeing that, as described on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BitcoinPayment , the proceedings from the payments are used to keep with wiki online, and since probably not that many people are signing up, maybe the fee is not that high.

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March 20, 2013, 07:20:27 PM
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Whats wrong with paying a small donation if you wish to edit it?
What is wrong is that I want to create value in the bitcoin wiki and community by translating and creating pages. If I wanted to make a donation it wouldn't be a problem.


Guess what you don't like it, create your own wiki and prove that wiki is bad, instead of complaining.
Thank you for your constructive remark. Bashing users who wants to contribute to the documentation around Bitcoin is really helping the developpement of this currency.


As far as I know, "wiki" is not a synonym of a website with contents that everyone can edit. There are lots of wikis with locked-down pages that only the admin can edit, wikis that can only be edited by certain people (e.g. people who register and send an email somewhere asking for write permission), and even wikis (like the Bitcoin.it one) where one must pay to edit.

Personally I think that requiring a Bitcoin payment to enable editing is a smart feature to prevent bots from posting spam, and it ensures that the editor knows enough about the subject of the wiki (Bitcoin) to create bitcoin transations. About the fee being too high... well, some months ago 0.01 was "nothing". Now the standard for "nothing" is more like 0.0005, or even lower. That the fees are high is a more adequate subject for discussion, in my opinion.

EDIT: seeing that, as described on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BitcoinPayment , the proceedings from the payments are used to keep with wiki online, and since probably not that many people are signing up, maybe the fee is not that high.
Maybe they could make the donation "reversable", so it could still prove that people know how to make a transaction, and it would still reduce spam if the donation is kept for like a month or with a certain number of edits.

Listen, i know that it is a measure against spam, I paid the fee for editing english pages, but I am reluctant of giving more money because I want to contribute to the wiki. I can prove that I am not a spammer, I made a nice email about it being an issue for me and got no response, so why make it so hard for people to add content ?

Hell, two years ago bitcoin were given to contributors !
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin:Contributors_Award

I do not ask for donations, but I think it would be a more sane approach, as people with time could edit the wiki, and those without could make donation to help the wiki.
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March 20, 2013, 07:22:27 PM
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So start your own wiki. I'll give you hosting and a wiki setup for free to do it. You just buy your own domain.

http://domainpromocodes.com/coupons/godaddy/

http://domainpromocodes.com/coupons/hostgator/

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March 20, 2013, 07:26:07 PM
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Guess what you don't like it, create your own wiki and prove that wiki is bad, instead of complaining.
Thank you for your constructive remark. Bashing users who wants to contribute to the documentation around Bitcoin is really helping the developpement of this currency.

Wait you think I was bashing you LOL, I really wasn't, if you think the wiki is bad, start your own, it is that simple, instead of sitting here complaining your not whitelisted to edit. If you think that is a bad comment, or bashing, you sir are not going to be around these forums for long. Now stop whining and either pay up or built your own, that is showing how decentralized the currency really is, and making the community knowledge base stronger in many points instead of one. So maybe instead of thinking I was bashing, maybe I was showing you what the real way of handling this, instead of sounding like a 3 year old and complaining that you can't edit on a public wiki. People like you will not get far in this community with that way of thinking.

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March 20, 2013, 07:33:32 PM
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I went to the wiki to add an entry,

I had an account in there for 2+ years,

Now finding out I have to pay to edit... disappointed,,, onward.
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March 20, 2013, 07:34:31 PM
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Whats wrong with paying a small donation if you wish to edit it?
The fact that they should pay us to edit and improve it  Roll Eyes

Oh well, they can improve it themselves
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March 20, 2013, 07:36:49 PM
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You can't use this domain but I threw this up just to show you:

http://thingsgohere.com

I could set that up for you on your domain in less than a minute. Alternatively if you buy a domain and give me access to the nameserver management I will take it over from there and you can just be a contributor on the site and I'll handle general administration. I don't really care one way or another I just like doing web stuff and this seems like a chance to do some.

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March 20, 2013, 07:39:06 PM
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I undestand the fee is not for contributing to hosting, it act as a moderating mechanism like captcha,  But right now $0.65 is too much asked to work for free.

Anyway I just wanted to add :

BitCraig, an index of all Bitcoin listings on Craigslist. http://www.bitcraig.com/ to the https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade#Marketplaces section.
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March 20, 2013, 07:40:37 PM
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I'm glad there's a "fee" to pay before editing is enabled.  There's been enough trolling/scamming/etc on this forum to warrant the limiting of access to a wiki.

Once the bitcoin community is bigger, then maybe we can have free wiki editing rights.
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March 20, 2013, 07:43:10 PM
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The "fee" should be paid to who improve the wiki
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March 20, 2013, 08:37:12 PM
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Guess what you don't like it, create your own wiki and prove that wiki is bad, instead of complaining.
Thank you for your constructive remark. Bashing users who wants to contribute to the documentation around Bitcoin is really helping the developpement of this currency.

Wait you think I was bashing you LOL, I really wasn't, if you think the wiki is bad, start your own, it is that simple, instead of sitting here complaining your not whitelisted to edit. If you think that is a bad comment, or bashing, you sir are not going to be around these forums for long. Now stop whining and either pay up or built your own, that is showing how decentralized the currency really is, and making the community knowledge base stronger in many points instead of one. So maybe instead of thinking I was bashing, maybe I was showing you what the real way of handling this, instead of sounding like a 3 year old and complaining that you can't edit on a public wiki. People like you will not get far in this community with that way of thinking.
So start your own wiki. I'll give you hosting and a wiki setup for free to do it. You just buy your own domain.

http://domainpromocodes.com/coupons/godaddy/

http://domainpromocodes.com/coupons/hostgator/

Before making my own wiki I though it may be wise to contact the admin (still no response), then showing my opinion about the barriers to pass throught before contributing.

And according to the statistics in the non-english sub-wiki, I think that these barriers are very limiting for contributors. The first line in the following links indicates the number of pages :
https://it.bitcoin.it/wiki/Speciale:Statistiche
https://es.bitcoin.it/wiki/Especial:Estad%C3%ADsticas
https://fr.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Statistiques
https://de.bitcoin.it/wiki/Spezial:Statistik
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March 20, 2013, 08:46:55 PM
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Twix: If you got permission to edit the Wiki in your native tongue, would you contribute to it significantly?

If the answer is yes, please post a Bitcoin address that you control.

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March 20, 2013, 09:03:41 PM
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Yes, I would like to contribute significantly in the french wiki. I am currently in engineering school & working, but I still have free time I would like to put in this.

Here is my bitcoin adress:

1twixx3GKBQETwGvqscirQdm9Vj2c5Xw7
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March 20, 2013, 09:04:41 PM
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As far as I know, "wiki" is not a synonym of a website with contents that everyone can edit. There are lots of wikis with locked-down pages that only the admin can edit, wikis that can only be edited by certain people (e.g. people who register and send an email somewhere asking for write permission), and even wikis (like the Bitcoin.it one) where one must pay to edit.

Fair enough - but there should be e-mail support from admin..
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March 20, 2013, 09:41:04 PM
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Yes, I would like to contribute significantly in the french wiki. I am currently in engineering school & working, but I still have free time I would like to put in this.

Here is my bitcoin adress:

1twixx3GKBQETwGvqscirQdm9Vj2c5Xw7
This whole thread is a huge argument over an amount of money that could buy perhaps two apples. Perhaps I have gotten out of touch, but I feel like it's pocket-change, and silly that it's causing so much trouble.

Check your incoming transactions. Please put your editing privileges to good use.

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March 20, 2013, 09:46:23 PM
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0.01 is a limitation in place to stop spambots from registering. You have to pay it foreach language because every language is theated as a different website from wikimedia. It's a software problem, if you want.
I agree with you that the fee should be lowered to 0.001 since, but only due to the recent price spike. You wouldn't have bothered opening this thread 6 months ago.

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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March 20, 2013, 09:59:21 PM
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Yes, I would like to contribute significantly in the french wiki. I am currently in engineering school & working, but I still have free time I would like to put in this.

Here is my bitcoin adress:

1twixx3GKBQETwGvqscirQdm9Vj2c5Xw7
This whole thread is a huge argument over an amount of money that could buy perhaps two apples. Perhaps I have gotten out of touch, but I feel like it's pocket-change, and silly that it's causing so much trouble.

Check your incoming transactions. Please put your editing privileges to good use.

LMAO watch him not edit or change one thing for the better. Also it isn't pocket-change for someone that doesn't have that many coins or any at that point so I think, he was just complaining cause he can't get coins or doesn't have enough brains to buy / offer a service. One of these Whine whine whine, complain complain complain, look at me, kinda things.

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