[POLL] Should Butterfly Labs (BFL) get a Scammer tag?

[Frizz23]

 

[Frankie Delaney]

Considering they have delivered exactly as much as bASIC, Lightning miner, and primeAsic, and taken considerably more money, there is really no reason they shouldn't get a tag. The tag could obviously come off if they ever ship a product, but until then i think it's our duty to protect fellow forum-goers from falling into their trap, especially since there are ads plastered everywhere saying "Order now!" instead of "pre-order now", and their website still says they will be shipping in late march which as we all now know will not happen, even for orders placed 8 months ago.

[Frizz23]

... The tag could obviously come off if they ever ship a product, but until then i think it's our duty to protect fellow forum-goers from falling into their trap, especially since there are ads plastered everywhere saying "Order now!" instead of "pre-order now" ...

Totally agree.

[miter_myles]

[repentance]

Perhaps they should be banned from advertising on the forum until they have delivered their units and caught up on the backlog.  I think scammer tags are pretty useless, but the forum doesn't need to be seen to be endorsing them by allowing their ads.

Of course theymos would probably say that banning them from advertising is censorship.

[CrazyGuy]

Unless they start denying refunds, they shouldn't be labeled as scammers. They are 6 months late, but they are legitimately working on a product.

[surebet]

https://eclipsemc.com/graphs/historical_rate.php

[Phinnaeus Gage]

https://eclipsemc.com/graphs/historical_rate.php

Since they're having problems testing on the test rig, simply test it live. Any coins earned, they can donate to a charity of Frizz's choice.

[Frizz23]

... they can donate to a charity of Frizz's choice.

The Old Miners Pension Fund: 1NabG69pSau2Gkz9WqXMixF3DyG4HrELZu

[smoothie]

YES

[Phinnaeus Gage]

The sentiment from the miners after each time they're Joshed:

[nagnagnag2]

Unless they start denying refunds...

They kind of have done that already.

[greyhawk]

I voted yes. I'm an agent of chaos.

[Gator-hex]

https://eclipsemc.com/graphs/historical_rate.php

Since they're having problems testing on the test rig, simply test it live. Any coins earned, they can donate to a charity of Frizz's choice.

Conspiracy Theory: Fly a programmer in to make your software hide your ASIC mining from the pool stats.  

Unless they start denying refunds, they shouldn't be labeled as scammers.

You understand how a Bitcoin arbitrage scam works right? You take bitcoins for a project then refund $ later when they are worth more. Free loan to build your mining farm plus a skim off the top.

[JohnCoins]

There is no reason BFL should get a scammer tag - It isn't their fault that people fell for a product that would clearly never be made.

[Gator-hex]

There is no reason BFL should get a scammer tag - It isn't their fault that people fell for a product that would clearly never be made.

Seriously what are the bumps in their EclipseMC (BFL's) Mining pool if they were never made?

https://eclipsemc.com/graphs/historical_rate.php

I suspect they got made and went stealth mode.  Somebody should screen grab this 7 day chart before it disappears.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

There is no reason BFL should get a scammer tag - It isn't their fault that people fell for a product that would clearly never be made.

Seriously what are the bumps in their Eclipse Mining pool if they were never made?

https://eclipsemc.com/graphs/historical_rate.php

I suspect they got made and went stealth mode.  Somebody should screen grab this 7 day chart before it disappears.

Here's what issue I have with this. It was stated that all testing will be done with a test rig. I would have no problem with them testing live provided they announced that they were going to do such because of whatever. None, whatsoever, was the mantra! But this act doesn't sit well be me. Neither would an explanation down the road. A statement within 24 hours, I could live with, but five days and counting?

[Korbman]

Unless they start denying refunds...

They kind of have done that already.

Lol no they haven't. Name 3 [three] people who have never received a refund from BFL..

[greyhawk]

Unless they start denying refunds...

They kind of have done that already.

Lol no they haven't. Name 3 [three] people who have never received a refund from BFL..

Why 3?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Unless they start denying refunds...

They kind of have done that already.

Lol no they haven't. Name 3 [three] people who have never received a refund from BFL..

Why 3?

It's a magic number. Remember when ONLY three people requested refunds from BFL? 3's the tipping point.