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October 29, 2016, 03:26:16 PM
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Actually stores are using third-party bitcoin payment processors such as Bitpay to help with the confirmation times (or up until a transaction is confirmed in the network.) Also, even if the payment or tx is not yet confirmed in the network, the stores or merchant would have their payment sent to them.
As for the general confirmation time in the network, it is normal that you have to wait 10> minutes (or even less) as long as you pay the correct/suggested fee for your tx to be included in the next block.
this is actually the way things will go down, if bitcoin will be widely accepted. it just hast to be a 3rd party application based upon bitcoin or we will have to trust people like we do today in many different areas or we simply way 10-20 min. but bitcoin itself will not likely change. so it is faster then some and slower then some. the question is if it is fast enough to be not annoying in the daily use. and if it can evolve to a coin that can handle many more transaction per second then right now. 

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October 29, 2016, 03:28:59 PM
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is it possible that bitcoin will be accepted in local stores, shops etc. since transactions are to slow and customers have to wait until their transactions are verified. And nobody wants to wait.
 Can transactions be seeded up to save customers time or any other way to use bitcoin  at local stores.
Maybe the best way to avoid this kind of situation is by converting your bitcoin to fiat. Yes I know the fact that you want to pay bitcoin because you want the benefit of going wireless and not have to carry a thick wallet in your pants but unless bitcoin's transaction are faster then we must resort to Fiat as of the moment as were not the one customer they have.

Actually, you don't have to wait for the confirmation obthe transaction when accepting bitcoin aa payment. Maybe stores should get the transaction details of that then later they will check what is the status of the transaction right ?

And yes its true. It is much faster to a transaction to be confirmed when it is converted first to fiat before you transfer it to another person.
Stores can adjust when they are already accepting bitcoin, the transaction time is not new to us anymore as sometimes it's fast and sometimes it's not. What matters to me is that when I see a transaction online even unconfirmed, it will already give me a feeling of confidence that in due time I will be able to receive bitcoins.
yes but most of the time people do not accept unconfirmed transaction specially when you are purchasing some thing from a strange shopkeeper, and that really feel very hard to wait for conformation of bitcoin transaction, i think this problem should be solved on 1st priority.

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November 01, 2016, 02:18:16 AM
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Actually stores are using third-party bitcoin payment processors such as Bitpay to help with the confirmation times (or up until a transaction is confirmed in the network.) Also, even if the payment or tx is not yet confirmed in the network, the stores or merchant would have their payment sent to them.
As for the general confirmation time in the network, it is normal that you have to wait 10> minutes (or even less) as long as you pay the correct/suggested fee for your tx to be included in the next block.
I think It still need to make bitcoin transaction faster than now. I also Think that the developer have to create a system or anything else that make the bitcoin transaction faster. becouse Is suppermarket use bitcoin as a transaction type, IT will make the amount of bitcoin users increase then make the transaction confirmation longer. I think it will not only 10 minute if suppermarket use bitcoin as the transaction type. people Need faster transaction.  but I am sure the developer can make ut faster.

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November 01, 2016, 03:22:16 AM
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i think we should think about lowring the confirmations why dont you just accept 0 confirmations or make a special wallet which accepts zero confirmation by this you can have the instant transactions with extremly low fees

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November 01, 2016, 03:38:25 AM
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normally the transaction is need at least 10 minutes or more but its not guaranted to see the complete of transaction for that time. because i have experience with this transaction and i think i am fine with the slow or fast transaction, as long as i can see one confirmation is show up in blockchain then the confirmations will be completed soon and i am fine.

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November 01, 2016, 05:25:08 AM
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normally the transaction is need at least 10 minutes or more but its not guaranted to see the complete of transaction for that time. because i have experience with this transaction and i think i am fine with the slow or fast transaction, as long as i can see one confirmation is show up in blockchain then the confirmations will be completed soon and i am fine.

It does  really depend  on how  much fee  you  put in  into a certain transaction  because  confirmation times  would really rely on that. If you  put  up a free or no  fee then  confirmations would took  up some time compare to those  fee. The higher the fee the   faster it would confirm.

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November 01, 2016, 06:52:20 PM
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normally the transaction is need at least 10 minutes or more but its not guaranted to see the complete of transaction for that time. because i have experience with this transaction and i think i am fine with the slow or fast transaction, as long as i can see one confirmation is show up in blockchain then the confirmations will be completed soon and i am fine.

It does  really depend  on how  much fee  you  put in  into a certain transaction  because  confirmation times  would really rely on that. If you  put  up a free or no  fee then  confirmations would took  up some time compare to those  fee. The higher the fee the   faster it would confirm.
The last time i made a transaction with bitcoin it took me something around 30 minutes to get the 3 confirmations, i had waited a bit more in the past to see my bank credit into my paypal accounts the funds. I do believe its fast enought with those delay i can think better into what to do while the money is coming.
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November 02, 2016, 01:54:53 AM
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For me bitcoin transactions is fast.
Because you can easily send your
money with other people.It is a big help to people who
consume time in sending money.
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November 02, 2016, 02:19:55 AM
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Bitcoin transaction is fast as compared to money transfer across multi countries because generally it takes 1 to 10 minutes and it takes upto 1 hour only in some cases. But bank transfer takes more time then this and also bal cut l have transaction fees but with bitcoin we can do the same task with little fees. But bottom acceptance in local shop with make the situation worst because no customer will want to wait till the payment is verified.
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November 08, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
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is it possible that bitcoin will be accepted in local stores, shops etc. since transactions are to slow and customers have to wait until their transactions are verified. And nobody wants to wait.
 Can transactions be seeded up to save customers time or any other way to use bitcoin  at local stores.
good idea if bitcoin can be accepted in daily life like local store and shop . but if transactions very slow . how about debit bitcoin ? i think thats good
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November 08, 2016, 06:32:37 PM
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In my opnion besides the time we have the taxes.
To someone make a purchase in a store with bitcoin, he will have to buy bitcoin on a exchange and pay taxes and after it the owner of the store will have to use an exchange again to convet to fiat to pay bills/employees and others things, so in this way you have to spend 5% on taxes Wink
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November 08, 2016, 09:18:13 PM
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In my opnion besides the time we have the taxes.
To someone make a purchase in a store with bitcoin, he will have to buy bitcoin on a exchange and pay taxes and after it the owner of the store will have to use an exchange again to convet to fiat to pay bills/employees and others things, so in this way you have to spend 5% on taxes Wink
which is no longer the case if we all switch to bitcoin. i mean the exchanging between fiat and bitcoin. i have no doubt that it is possible to have a region only use bitcoin for all money transfers, but would it be better or faster as what we have now? i doubt that!

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November 08, 2016, 09:37:40 PM
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BTC is too slow, it will never be fast enough or have the transaction capacity to fullfill a Global role.
Even the Lightening network fix, that is supposed to allow it to handle more will fail if BTC can't handle the volume, which it can't.

Coins like ZEIT with a 30 second block speed are Taylor made for Global use.
BTC with 10 minute block speed is pathetic.

Do you know if BTC was not controlled by China, then the rest of the community could go to a 5 Minute Block speed , which would double their transactions capacity or even a 2 minute block speed which would increase their transactions capacity by 5X .
But China won't allow that so they don't lose their Dominance.
Centralized Control of BTC really sucks, doesn't it.  Tongue

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November 08, 2016, 10:05:46 PM
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BTC is too slow, it will never be fast enough or have the transaction capacity to fullfill a Global role.
Even the Lightening network fix, that is supposed to allow it to handle more will fail if BTC can't handle the volume, which it can't.

Coins like ZEIT with a 30 second block speed are Taylor made for Global use.
BTC with 10 minute block speed is pathetic.

Do you know if BTC was not controlled by China, then the rest of the community could go to a 5 Minute Block speed , which would double their transactions capacity or even a 2 minute block speed which would increase their transactions capacity by 5X .
But China won't allow that so they don't lose their Dominance.
Centralized Control of BTC really sucks, doesn't it.  Tongue

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i do not understand how a block speed of 5 or 2 minuets would change anything about the chinese dominance. hey you could open the worlds biggest mine and take the control from the chines. also you could make your rules then.
saying there is a centralized control of bitcoin is like calling a democracy a dictatorship, because a party you dislike was elected.

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BTC is too slow, it will never be fast enough or have the transaction capacity to fullfill a Global role.
Even the Lightening network fix, that is supposed to allow it to handle more will fail if BTC can't handle the volume, which it can't.

Coins like ZEIT with a 30 second block speed are Taylor made for Global use.
BTC with 10 minute block speed is pathetic.

Do you know if BTC was not controlled by China, then the rest of the community could go to a 5 Minute Block speed , which would double their transactions capacity or even a 2 minute block speed which would increase their transactions capacity by 5X .
But China won't allow that so they don't lose their Dominance.
Centralized Control of BTC really sucks, doesn't it.  Tongue

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i do not understand how a block speed of 5 or 2 minuets would change anything about the chinese dominance. hey you could open the worlds biggest mine and take the control from the chines. also you could make your rules then.
saying there is a centralized control of bitcoin is like calling a democracy a dictatorship, because a party you dislike was elected.

That statement shows me , you don't understand how BTC works.
So I shall do my best to enlighten you.

Changing the Block Speed to 5 minutes , means that instead of 1 block created in 10 minutes, we now have 2 blocks created in 10 Minutes.
2 Blocks can contain Twice the amount of Transactions as 1 Block.
(Feels like I am teaching a kindergarden class. )  Wink

China internet infrastructure is substandard compared to Europe & US & Japan & South Korea.
Faster Block Speeds and Larger Block Sizes would strain their infrastructure and give these other countries an edge in mining BTC.
Ergo to maintain their higher than 51% mining control, they have to block these updates which would quickly fix BTC transactions issues.
While they have over 51% control of BTC , it is Centralized to China, meaning there will be no changes or updates unless they approve it.

You should study a 51% attack , as without understanding that , you will be clueless to the fact BTC has been centralized for over a year now.

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FYI:
It is absolutely amazing ,

how many people are clueless to who controls BTC.

It was supposed to be decentralized by no one person, or one company , or one Government ever having over 51% mining.

China has had over 51% mining control over BTC for more than a year now.
BTC control has Centralized to China.

Reason being the 51% security attack warned about by Satoshi himself.
Reference: In his Bitcoin paper, Satoshi identified several issues, with the 51% attack being the greatest.
http://www.btcpedia.com/bitcoin-51-attack/
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So what is the 51% attack? To understand that you have to understand how Bitcoin works. Essentially Bitcoin is a collection of nodes performing “virtual work”, the more work you do the higher your rating on the network. So what happens when malicious users get together and manage to do more “virtual work” than the “good people” ? Well that is the 51% attack, and it basically means you can wake up tomorrow with zero Bitcoins in your wallet. It means any business that accepts Bitcoins can get robbed and have all their goods taken with fake Bitcoins. It also means if they wanted, governments, large corporations or hackers can “shut down the network” by refusing to accept any new transactions. Complete network shutdown. Can’t do anything with your Bitcoins, neither can anyone else.


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China is the World's Leading Manufacturer of ASICS, they are always going to keep the fastest and most efficient ASICS for their pools.
Waste of Fiat trying to beat them on BTC, they have already won, BTC Future is theirs to control.

Smartest move is to just use another coin without the limitations of BTC.
That is why I use ZEIT it is faster, higher transactions capacity, Truly Decentralized (Everyone that owes it can mine it) , Protected from 51% attacks by the chaos effect of Coin Age, requires no more electricity than a light bulb to run.  Smiley
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November 08, 2016, 10:35:33 PM
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That statement shows me , you don't understand how BTC works.
So I shall do my best to enlighten you.

Changing the Block Speed to 5 minutes , means that instead of 1 block created in 10 minutes, we now have 2 blocks created in 10 Minutes.
2 Blocks can contain Twice the amount of Transactions as 1 Block.
(Feels like I am teaching a kindergarden class. )  Wink

China internet infrastructure is substandard compared to Europe & US & Japan & South Korea.
Faster Block Speeds and Larger Block Sizes would strain their infrastructure and give these other countries an edge in mining BTC.
Ergo to maintain their higher than 51% mining control, they have to block these updates which would quickly fix BTC transactions issues.
While they have over 51% control of BTC , it is Centralized to China, meaning there will be no changes or updates unless they approve it.

You should study a 51% attack , as without understanding that , you will be clueless to the fact BTC has been centralized for over a year now.

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oh boy i would have not started an argument with you if i new how clueless you are. your post is prove enough, but you are here to promote some altcoin anyway, so you will not care if i just go back to the topic.
Let us assume the blocktime would be reduced to 5 or even 2 minuets. This would mean faster confirmations, but would it really solve the problem or would it only make it a little less painful. and at what cost? we would reach the 21 million faster, halvings would occur in shorter time periods and the price would go significantly down. without solving the problems we would only buy more time to solve them. 

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November 08, 2016, 10:41:22 PM
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For me bitcoin transactions is fast.
Because you can easily send your
money with other people.It is a big help to people who
consume time in sending money.
true agree I agree with you. because you can send bitcoin anywhere very fast and simple. I think it's a problem confirmation is not too influential
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November 08, 2016, 11:09:09 PM
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i think we should think about lowring the confirmations why dont you just accept 0 confirmations or make a special wallet which accepts zero confirmation by this you can have the instant transactions with extremly low fees
I believe that currently anyone is allowed to accept 0 confirmation transactions if they want but it is not a wise idea as the transaction you accept may be "double spent" with a higher fee to someone else shortly after.

Would you really feel safe accepting a transaction before it has been confirmed by the network?

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November 08, 2016, 11:10:09 PM
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For me bitcoin transactions is fast.
Because you can easily send your
money with other people.It is a big help to people who
consume time in sending money.
true agree I agree with you. because you can send bitcoin anywhere very fast and simple. I think it's a problem confirmation is not too influential

I agree that bitcoin transaction is instant and the only problem is the delayed of the confirmation.  But the problem in crediting bitcoin is that, bitcoin "transaction" does not stop with just sending it, receiver needs at least 2 to 3 confirmation before they credit the transaction.  And this confirmation is the problem due to the time it needs to be confirmed. And I think this problem maybe solved by the implementation of SegWit (Segregated Witness)

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oh boy i would have not started an argument with you if i new how clueless you are. your post is prove enough, but you are here to promote some altcoin anyway, so you will not care if i just go back to the topic.
Let us assume the blocktime would be reduced to 5 or even 2 minuets. This would mean faster confirmations, but would it really solve the problem or would it only make it a little less painful. and at what cost? we would reach the 21 million faster, halvings would occur in shorter time periods and the price would go significantly down. without solving the problems we would only buy more time to solve them.  

Yo Dum Dum,

The Transactions problem is because they can not hold enough transactions in 1 block to keep up with demand.
Seriously , how can you be so stupid to not understand what a kid in kindergarden would.

2 Blocks in 10 minutes allows Double the Transactions as 1 block in 10 minutes
Halving dates & PoW Rewards can be updated , just as easy as Block Speed , Change a few variables and done.

Go sit in the corner and put your hat on.  Cheesy



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