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March 26, 2013, 10:17:14 PM
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You should be able to secede.
I can technically declare my room a country, but nobody will take me seriously.
All you need is a permanent population, a government, the capacity to enter into relations with other states, and not being subject to rule by any other state.
This can all be achieved by claiming the right to self determination. Shout it loud and proud, get your claim throughout every media, and there's nothing the US will be able to do, without the UN coming down on them like a mass of manure.

Except call you a "domestic terrorist," toss a black bag over your head, and fly you to Egypt.
True, the media is on the side of the government, but of course, the UN will still be pissed, as will Amnesty.

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March 26, 2013, 10:34:15 PM
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UN? Let me laugh. Do you know whose permission they need to do anything important? Yeah...

UN is quite toothless really. When it comes to those with true power in it...

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March 26, 2013, 10:56:37 PM
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UN? Let me laugh. Do you know whose permission they need to do anything important? Yeah...

UN is quite toothless really. When it comes to those with true power in it...
You make a point. But human rights concerns would arise from other countries if the US infringed on the right to self-determination.

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March 26, 2013, 11:09:16 PM
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UN? Let me laugh. Do you know whose permission they need to do anything important? Yeah...

UN is quite toothless really. When it comes to those with true power in it...
You make a point. But human rights concerns would arise from other countries if the US infringed on the right to self-determination.
You... haven't been following the news lately, have you?

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March 26, 2013, 11:16:11 PM
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UN? Let me laugh. Do you know whose permission they need to do anything important? Yeah...

UN is quite toothless really. When it comes to those with true power in it...
You make a point. But human rights concerns would arise from other countries if the US infringed on the right to self-determination.
You... haven't been following the news lately, have you?

You mean ever?

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March 26, 2013, 11:19:18 PM
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UN? Let me laugh. Do you know whose permission they need to do anything important? Yeah...

UN is quite toothless really. When it comes to those with true power in it...
You make a point. But human rights concerns would arise from other countries if the US infringed on the right to self-determination.
You... haven't been following the news lately, have you?
I must apologise, I'm not wise.

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March 26, 2013, 11:21:19 PM
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If you plan to secede, be prepared to fight the most dangerous and misguided military in the world.  It's illegal because they said so and that's final so nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh.

Heck, if Texas wanted to secede, they'd have to do so out of force.  America's got a funny way of creating laws which couldn't possibly benefit society.

With force maybe, but everyone knows everyone in texas has 2 guns per person ^_^
24 mil pop, 50 million guns

I think the USA would pull out fast the only way to stop them would be to kill civilians, which is illegal under international law to purposely hit civilians.

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March 26, 2013, 11:24:14 PM
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If you plan to secede, be prepared to fight the most dangerous and misguided military in the world.  It's illegal because they said so and that's final so nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh.

Heck, if Texas wanted to secede, they'd have to do so out of force.  America's got a funny way of creating laws which couldn't possibly benefit society.

With force maybe, but everyone knows everyone in texas has 2 guns per person ^_^
24 mil pop, 50 million guns

I think the USA would pull out fast the only way to stop them would be to kill civilians, which is illegal under international law to purposely hit civilians.

Ten bucks says they'll pull the terrorist card and send drones instead Tongue  After all, if Texas secedes, it's no longer domestic...

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May 25, 2013, 08:43:48 PM
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Working on Starting a Bitcoin town here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=216139.0

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The mission of the town is: Freedom, as guaranteed by the constitution of America
Plans are to have a size of land between 600 acres and 6000+ acres by sometime in 2015

Other projects that will be completed before, and/or inside Bitcoin Town:
Bitcoin Restaurant- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217610.0
Bitcoin TV Show- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212562.0
Bitcoin Church/Charity- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213405.0
Bitcoin Casino- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218497.msg2297533#msg2297533
Bitcoin Philanthropist Awards- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213699.0
Solar Powered Mining- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189959.0;topicseen
Bitcoin Museum- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=219474.new#new


All you need to start a town is 51% of the people's vote, and a written constitution or some other founding document. If we invest in our own town we can be the founders, and with BTC it will make it easier for us to come together from around the world to get this done. As well as not worry about paying taxes as long as we don't exchange cash (we have a way to do this that will be explained only to people who are very interested in supporting the town). And we could have the elected town leaders & business hubs pay federal taxes and do all our fiat exchanges for us, so that our "no tax town" system is viable.

And you only need 6 acres of people to agree... So I looked online and there are patches of land that are 600 acres (nearly 1 square mile. As well as much larger plots.) for sale in New Mexico. If 200 people each put in $10,000 (or equivalent in BTC) the property would be ours (I think this could be accomplished in 1 year). And at that point we could start using the land to farm and produce things and anyone who could afford a house or an Earthship could start building, while anyone else can rent their land out to earn money, or sell it (we will all come together and vote on what the land can and cannot be used for during this time) and once we have some communal money we can help people build Earthships and start working on Solar power and getting a super solid internet connection. Then we could start building FPGAs and ASICs, while we farm and produce what we can.

I feel New Mexico would be the best place to start something like this for a few reasons:

1. Billy the Kid ran out the Illuminati by starting a war against the corrupt "Justice System" where the people were literally shooting at cops.

2. the Freemasons messed up with their farming methods which was the reason for the "dust bowl". So all the people that would oppose Bitcoin are gone (central bankers and such).

3. Land is cheap in New Mexico.

4. It is a good place for affordable "Earthship" living, and could easily accommodate regular housing as well.

5. Tons of sun all year round, so we could try to start the community with some solar power, and work towards making it all solar powered. And anyone who wanted to farm could.

6. In New Mexico you don't have to pay taxes on most food trade anyways.
 

Once the town got started we would buy a some tractors, and use them to build better roads and farm better. Then we can start opening gift shops and things like that, and eventually work on starting our own franchises, or bringing a few to town and accepting bitcoin.

But we could make it a town where no one pays taxes, and the "town government" is nothing but a service. 




Most Important Videos:

First installment of "Bitcoin Town": Creating a Town in America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZsLLFROucc

First Things First
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO9GcWoWszA

Local Politics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-KokfEoQPU

Biodiesel & Transportation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up81asdoMzY

TV Show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA4HrOXRFbk

Seed Stock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX5Sekntejo

Library & Education
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SITdDb1Pe8g

EarthShips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqVvA9L-Dvo

Biodiesel & Solar Power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wp3aEV7e1Q

Restaurant Franchise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxuPoed0H7E

3D Printers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEJQLNUdKIA

Other Videos About Bitcoin Town:

New Mexico
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbEsxT2VI5E

The Arts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_eBNgQIaKc

The Police
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFKG3Anr9JM

The Island
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-fgf0bxSSg

Robots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmhwLaWeSTA

Casino
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIdkXH8B7SI

Water & Distilling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnD-hDk0iWc

Cubensis Mushrooms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJWvPp7wXvM

Everyone Gets a Vote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiE4mkHBM68

Medical Marijuana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XqENZnp8c4

Creation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5nZc_9sRl8

Individual Freedoms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_TtkJ6Jk9U

Radio Shows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzPWECBcAKI

Junk Yard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaB8mxsOzfk

PAC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dns38YgbbyQ

Hatchery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzJn0XwdxDM

Corn Farmers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwzmrM-kiAc

Pets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPCsXmy5pc

Public Cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JigHbf5vea8

We will be attempting to start a restaurant, so that the town has a good place to eat and food supply ready to move in right when we get there Smiley
If we can't start the restaurant before the town, we will start it IN town once we have a small community.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217610.msg2288125#msg2288125
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxuPoed0H7E

The things that we plan to have on the menu so far are these:

Pancakes
Eggs/Omelets
Burgers (REAL ones, not like McDonalds)
Funnel Cake
French Fries
Carne Asada
Burritos (and every other variation of tortilla and contents, which means chips and salsa too)
Noodles
Sandwhiches
A Salad Bar
And anyone involved's "specialty"

And, we are going to work together with the environment to create the ideal natural living conditions. There will be an eco-council that watches the flora and fauna each year, and they will release a decided number of certain animals and plants, then the next year they will see if anything new needs to be done to balance the eco system.

Ex:
Buy and eventually breed drangonfly eggs to be released into town ponds, to eat mosquitos and similar pests, while adding to the "enchantment" of New Mexico.

Breed and release free-range Guinea Chickens, for eggs. Also for their "watch dog" qualities, as in, Guinea chickens will alert you when someone that is not from the neighborhood, or a new animal is around. They also eat ants, TICKS & spiders. So they are pretty good animals to have around.

Put up bat houses to attract bats, as well as bird houses to attract birds. And fruit trees (and cactuses like "saguaro", which grow to be over 50 foot tall and live longer than humans) that grow well in New Mexico (like Pears, Apples & Peaches) to feed them, and so that public workers can collect food to be distributed. Bat guano can also be collected for many uses, including fertilizer. And both animals eat bugs that are pests.

We will have a rabbit farm to feed both humans and any pets, while providing fertilizer.

This is just a few of the ideas that will be presented in the videos soon, so that we can live in a near perfect eco-system. And we can sell the eggs from the dragonflies and chickens, as well as the guano from the bats and the fruit from the trees, on the internet and at market.

For the people that could not afford their own house, this is the kind of house we would be building as public work (public work is for people who need money).

They are called EarthShips





The outline of an Earthship is made with old tires for insulation. The tires are framed with wood, and filled with concrete, some people fill the tires with soda cans or dirt, then concrete. Then some people put soda cans on the outside of the tires in the concrete also.





There are many benefits of Earthship living



We will also offer publicly built Geodomes for greenhouses and living.



We will also offer trailers to bury and use as basements, or use above ground as housing:


We will also add "cobb" extentions to each house, using what we dig up when making basements.
Cob is fire & Earthquake resistant.

Earthships are built east to west, with the glass facing the sun rise, and usually they try to use the dirt to make a small hill facing the sunset, which is where the rainwater collection chamber usually is. But reading about Cob material, I'm thinking we can just use the sandy ground in New Mexico, dig until we hit clay or buy some, then grow some canary reed to use as straw (grows very quickly). Then just add water and we can make an extension to each house, instead of a hill facing the sunset.

It will be practical, because we plan on getting trailers to bury and use as basements (so everyone has room for mining machines), so we will probably get a backhoe to dig holes, and will have plenty of raw dirt/sand.

People could also choose to have no Earthship, but it would be good to have at least one room designed like an Earthship, just because they are like massively insulative, so if there were ever a rare cold New Mexico day, a small fire could be made (or small heater plugged in) and heat the room effectively.





And our EarthShips will be different than most:

1. Each person will have at least three acres, so we won't be making small ones.

2. Geodomes outside will be used as green houses, making more room in the larger EarthShips

3. Trailers will be used to make basements, allowing for WAY more space.


And again, an outside company will be contracted for regular building, these will just be built for anyone that wants publically built housing.
You only get a Cobb/Earthship/Geodome if you want a FREE house Smiley


The free market will still be there. "Town work" will just be posted on bulletin boards or the internet, the whole point is just to have the town approve it so that the workers are paid by the town (if you can't afford to hire your own people), and people in town can earn some money.

Some people won't be moving to the land they buy, so we will have some plots that are rented out for maintenance or cash (by people that want to live in town but can't afford $10,000 for a plot, or by young people who get their parents to get them a place in town or something) by the owner, and those people will most likely be looking to the bulletin boards for work all the time.

And if you wanted to hire someone yourself from around town, that wouldn't be a problem at all. As long as you paid them with your money.

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May 30, 2013, 02:34:38 AM
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FFS, man, quit spamming the forum with that copy-pasta shit.

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September 10, 2014, 08:07:15 PM
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I really think we should do a bitcoin town.
That would be awesome. "The Bitcoin people!"
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I really think we should do a bitcoin town.
That would be awesome. "The Bitcoin people!"
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Any one doing work on this or this project is just in papers after 1 and half year ?  Wink

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