Only ETC is the real Ethereum

[dumana]

ETC without Vitalik Buterin is not real Ethereum at all. Respect!

Vitalik != Ethereum. Either one can live without the other just fine. But if you really want Vitalik you can have him. ETC does not need anyone who panics and makes stupid decisions. He used to have an image of a boy genius who will save the world. He is nothing but a profit seeking little kid now. That is his new image. It will take a long time for that to go away.

Vitalik will have nothing to do with the Etheruem Classic. He said he will work 100% on the Ethereum.

[varusisog]

ETC without Vitalik Buterin is not real Ethereum at all. Respect!

Vitalik != Ethereum. Either one can live without the other just fine. But if you really want Vitalik you can have him. ETC does not need anyone who panics and makes stupid decisions. He used to have an image of a boy genius who will save the world. He is nothing but a profit seeking little kid now. That is his new image. It will take a long time for that to go away.

Vitalik will have nothing to do with the Etheruem Classic. He said he will work 100% on the Ethereum.

The Ethereum Classic ETC has already declared independence. It will have nothing to do with the Etheruem community.

[bbc.reporter]

Good. It is the way it should be. ETC does not need the bad reputation of Vitalik and the Ethereum foundation. It is now slowly revealed that they do not mean well. The are very scheming and very conniving.

[Redrose]

Use 2 separate machines or virtual machines. Install Mist supporting fork on one and Mist not supporting fork the other. Download both blockchains. Create new ETH address on the Mist supporting fork machine and create new ETC criminal coin address on machine not supporting fork. Transfer your ETH to new ETH address. Transfer your ETC criminal coins to new ETC criminal coin address.

Thanks for the tip. Even though, I do not support criminal events like The DAO hack (which ETC supports) I will only hold a very minimal amount of ETC coins in case its gets pumped at some time. I highly doubt that ETC may get somewhere but you'll never know when you'd miss the chance to profit by having a few coins. I will proceed with caution with this. 

You all make me laugh how you treat ETC as the criminal coin. Remember me who got caught in very shady operations on Poloniex ? Oh yes, the Ethereum Foundation (ETH) ...

[Daisy14]

With the way Ethereum Foundation is going, they will soon run out of time and people's trust

[bbc.reporter]

The people who are defending them are only bag holders who still hope and want for ETH price to rise. Most of them are not real supporters. They just want more money from the ETH investment they have.

[Minecache]

ETC without Vitalik Buterin is not real Ethereum at all. Respect!

Oh but we are assured that the ETC criminal coin doesn't need Vitalik as they have the DAO attacker to develop that criminal chain. And the deluded fools fall for it.

[GreenBits]

ETC without Vitalik Buterin is not real Ethereum at all. Respect!

Oh but we are assured that the ETC criminal coin doesn't need Vitalik as they have the DAO attacker to develop that criminal chain. And the deluded fools fall for it.

A singular actor does not define any of these projects. Is bitcoin diminished because of Satoahi's current absence?

And looking at the wreckage of ETH, how has having Mr Buterin at the wheel turned out?

[Abiky]

You all make me laugh how you treat ETC as the criminal coin. Remember me who got caught in very shady operations on Poloniex ? Oh yes, the Ethereum Foundation (ETH) ...

Well, I'm not against ETC and neither ETH. I still believe in immutable smart contracts, but the only thing that ETC has is that it has given the chance to the DAO hacker to have ownership of the stolen coins (investor funds) and be able to dump them at anytime. This may cause a huge risk, thus making the price goes all the way down to less than $0.01 USD (in the original chain). Just my opinion, though. 

[Redrose]

You all make me laugh how you treat ETC as the criminal coin. Remember me who got caught in very shady operations on Poloniex ? Oh yes, the Ethereum Foundation (ETH) ...

Well, I'm not against ETC and neither ETH. I still believe in immutable smart contracts, but the only thing that ETC has is that it has given the chance to the DAO hacker to have ownership of the stolen coins (investor funds) and be able to dump them at anytime. This may cause a huge risk, thus making the price goes all the way down to less than $0.01 USD (in the original chain). Just my opinion, though. 

This is a big myth. Poloniex is watching. It has frozen stolen funds belonging to the Ethereum Foundation and can do it again. So it was them the first to dump. Being the less smart of two, they're also the greediest and the less trustable ...

[bbc.reporter]

You all make me laugh how you treat ETC as the criminal coin. Remember me who got caught in very shady operations on Poloniex ? Oh yes, the Ethereum Foundation (ETH) ...

Well, I'm not against ETC and neither ETH. I still believe in immutable smart contracts, but the only thing that ETC has is that it has given the chance to the DAO hacker to have ownership of the stolen coins (investor funds) and be able to dump them at anytime. This may cause a huge risk, thus making the price goes all the way down to less than $0.01 USD (in the original chain). Just my opinion, though.  :-

It will be bad for the price of ETC. But ETC as a platform will live on, be developed, grow and will eventually have a life of its own. We also know the DAO attacker will not dump everything at once. He will be risking everything he has which is stupid.

It would be funny to see the atacker to declare and return all the ETC he is holding back to the DAO investors just to make the Ethereum foundation look bad since they tried to dump their ETC thru the white hat group.

[Redrose]

You all make me laugh how you treat ETC as the criminal coin. Remember me who got caught in very shady operations on Poloniex ? Oh yes, the Ethereum Foundation (ETH) ...

Well, I'm not against ETC and neither ETH. I still believe in immutable smart contracts, but the only thing that ETC has is that it has given the chance to the DAO hacker to have ownership of the stolen coins (investor funds) and be able to dump them at anytime. This may cause a huge risk, thus making the price goes all the way down to less than $0.01 USD (in the original chain). Just my opinion, though.  :-

It will be bad for the price of ETC. But ETC as a platform will live on, be developed, grow and will eventually have a life of its own. We also know the DAO attacker will not dump everything at once. He will be risking everything he has which is stupid.

It would be funny to see the atacker to declare and return all the ETC he is holding back to the DAO investors just to make the Ethereum foundation look bad since they tried to dump their ETC thru the white hat group.

If he do so, or at least give back of part of them, Ethereum is dead and Ethereum Classic will be enthroned a little time after that. Parity would be reach.

[bbc.reporter]

I disagree. It is only possible to reach parity if the hash rate of ETC will go up near ETH's hash rate. That will the only way for everyone to gain confidence in the platform.

[EastSound]

I disagree. It is only possible to reach parity if the hash rate of ETC will go up near ETH's hash rate. That will the only way for everyone to gain confidence in the platform.

That is right. But if there is big investors pump the price to the same level of ETH, the miners will mine the ETC and the hash rate will increase.

[Minecache]

ETC without Vitalik Buterin is not real Ethereum at all. Respect!

Oh but we are assured that the ETC criminal coin doesn't need Vitalik as they have the DAO attacker to develop that criminal chain. And the deluded fools fall for it.

A singular actor does not define any of these projects. Is bitcoin diminished because of Satoahi's current absence?

And looking at the wreckage of ETH, how has having Mr Buterin at the wheel turned out?

Satoshi is dead already but I digress. Yes if he was alive and still in possession of the private keys to his wealth then yes everyone would be defined by his actions. Just as the dirty criminal DAO attacker who owns more than 10% ETC defines the criminal coin. Don't be so niave in future.

[Minecache]

I disagree. It is only possible to reach parity if the hash rate of ETC will go up near ETH's hash rate. That will the only way for everyone to gain confidence in the platform.

That is right. But if there is big investors pump the price to the same level of ETH, the miners will mine the ETC and the hash rate will increase.

But the opposite is happening. Everyone knows ETC is the criminal coin so big investors will never invest in it. Why would they for ducks sake?

[dinofelis]

I disagree. It is only possible to reach parity if the hash rate of ETC will go up near ETH's hash rate. That will the only way for everyone to gain confidence in the platform.

That's backward causality.  The hash rate is determined by the block reward.  Given that the block rewards of ETC and ETH are the same, the ratio of the hash rates is equal to the ratio of their market prices.

There is in fact no reason to fear for the lowest hash rate, because spending effort to attack a low hash rate chain also means spending effort to alter something of lesser value.  So apart from the "desire to spend a fortune to see the world on fire", there is no incentive to attack a smaller hash rate chain, because the gain one can obtain from it is smaller too.

If only the chain with the highest PoW effort is secure, then only bitcoin is relatively secure.  All other chains, having smaller market caps, have smaller hash rate equivalents in PoW and hence exposed.

[dinofelis]

But the opposite is happening. Everyone knows ETC is the criminal coin so big investors will never invest in it. Why would they for ducks sake?

Big investors will not invest in any case any more in anything ethereum related.  The DAO showed the idiocy of the concept of turing complete smart contracts.  The ETH chain showed that immutability is not guaranteed, and that sufficient action from the ethereum foundation and an oligarchy of miners can undo anything on the chain.  The Poloniex blocking of the Robin Hood thieves showed the vulnerability of traceable coins and their non-fungible nature.  So much for "unstoppable" and "immutable".  Visibly propriety of funds and their possibility of exchange is dependent on obscure agents, and the whole myth of unstoppable, fungible and immutable is gone now.

While the ETC chain has at least kept the original proposition of immutability and unstoppability, it has suffered a severe blow with the traceability and the fact that Poloniex could stop certain owners to exchange their coins.  ETC also suffers from the same ridicule as ETH and ethereum in general: Turing complete smart contracts, an oxymoron.

So this whole circus is ridiculous, and no serious investor will ever touch it with a stick.  In as much as you are a law-abiding investor, you will keep away from these obscure judges, and deal with the normal legal system, and normal legal contracts ; in as much as you would like to use your freedom from law and state, you know that the whole ecosystem is lying about their neutrality and act upon their own morality standards (read: their profit) as it suits them.

The only thing that ETH can still be used for, and I agree that it is a lucrative market, is scamming people with the consent of the foundation and/or exchanges.

[bbc.reporter]

Minecache got it wrong about what or who has the criminal intentions. No one will now invest in ETH because the whole world has seen the way Vitalik and the Ethereum foundation has run the project. Very sloppy showing inexperience and lack of regard for the consequences of their actions. Add an Ethereum foundation's messy plan of dumping of ETC in the market to that and you got everyone turned off from them. Only the people holding ETH hoping to sell higher are the ones defending it.

While ETC has just welcomed a new investor and adviser. That is Charles Hoskinson. Welcome back to the original Ethereum classic Charles!

[talkbitcoin]

Minecache got it wrong about what or who has the criminal intentions. No one will now invest in ETH because the whole world has seen the way Vitalik and the Ethereum foundation has run the project. Very sloppy showing inexperience and lack of regard for the consequences of their actions. Add an Ethereum foundation's messy plan of dumping of ETC in the market to that and you got everyone turned off from them. Only the people holding ETH hoping to sell higher are the ones defending it.

While ETC has just welcomed a new investor and adviser. That is Charles Hoskinson. Welcome back to the original Ethereum classic Charles!

i couldn't agree more.
ETH is turning into one scandal after another and it doesn't even end. they are rude enough to do another scam and create another scandal.

and you know the most interesting part of it all is?

if the news about a whale like ethereum foundation but for another altcoin spread that for example they were dumping a lot of stolen coins on the market the price of that coin would have died but ETH price is still up as it was before. which shows the magnitude of the manipulation of that coin.