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August 03, 2012, 06:20:44 PM
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There are two relevant bounties. I don't understand how to withdraw funds from them:

 - https://booster.io/tipjar/0cataqj - Ultimate Blockchain Pruning
 - https://booster.io/tipjar/0c9zmrc -  A Distributed Database Based On Blockchain Technology

I see a Claim button on both of them.

The screenshots below showing how to transfer funds are for Propster, however, the same screens can be found on Booster.  In your dropdown you will see the two Bounties.





Disregard the appearance of the Claim button on those bounties -- I will remove it shortly (gotta backport that code change from Propster to Booster).

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August 03, 2012, 06:42:50 PM
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I think that a 1% fee, capped by some amount, is more decent.
Perhaps you should create a poll about this.

- Bounties under $10 are free
- First 100 bounties that collect more than $10 are free (incentive for new bounties)
- Subsequent bounties that collect more than $10, are at 1% capped at $100.

In Jan 1, 2013 I may change these numbers for new bounties.

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August 03, 2012, 06:43:46 PM
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Also, I would like to see some reports on how Propster is doing. Were bounties awarded? I know of at least one bounty that passed the target.

As long as you don't publish the efforts and advancements you've made in distributing the funds ... you're (perceived as) just another pirate.

I will publish this info today.

EDIT:  The report can be found at this google doc, publicly accessible, and will be updated over time:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmTJIckYbv-jdHJyVkY0SlhoQlB3Ry1HazdTZ2VlclE

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August 04, 2012, 05:18:46 AM
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I think that a 1% fee, capped by some amount, is more decent.
Perhaps you should create a poll about this.

- Bounties under $10 are free
- First 100 bounties that collect more than $10 are free (incentive for new bounties)
- Subsequent bounties that collect more than $10, are at 1% capped at $100.

In Jan 1, 2013 I may change these numbers for new bounties.


Thanks for the fee reduction, I think the above fee structure makes sense.
I will consider Booster.io for future bounties. I will keep the funds at https://booster.io/tipjar/0c9zmrc at Booster.io.

The report can be found at this google doc, publicly accessible, and will be updated over time:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmTJIckYbv-jdHJyVkY0SlhoQlB3Ry1HazdTZ2VlclE


Thanks.
You should add this to the OP, and link to it from Prospter FAQ.

One caveat - it's a shame you can' t really post proofs of the donation made, and we have to take you up on your word. But ... I don't see an easy way out of this. With small amounts like these it doesn't really matter.

I have withdrawn maaku's funds, and will deliver them to him.


BTW, is there a way to cancel a pledge? I pledged to this tip jar, but currently have no funds, and the tip jar should be closed anyway - https://booster.io/tipjar/0cataqj
I see some pledges to dollar amounts from my account, I never intended to pledge dollar amounts.
I think that regardless of the pledged currency, if the pledge is greater than your current balance, you should alert the user that he needs to deposit more funds in order to meet the pledge.

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August 04, 2012, 04:40:13 PM
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BTW, is there a way to cancel a pledge? I pledged to this tip jar, but currently have no funds, and the tip jar should be closed anyway - https://booster.io/tipjar/0cataqj

You can cancel a tip/pledge that is in "wait" state, not "delivered" state.  In the Dashboard view there is a "Manage Pledges/Props" button.



Clicking on the button takes you here:


Click the "+" button to expand, and then click the Cancel button.

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August 04, 2012, 04:44:41 PM
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I see some pledges to dollar amounts from my account, I never intended to pledge dollar amounts.
I think that regardless of the pledged currency, if the pledge is greater than your current balance, you should alert the user that he needs to deposit more funds in order to meet the pledge.

The reason is probably that you had no money in your account, and end of month arrived -- the imaginary dollar (default monthly setting) was divided among the jars you gave to - and now have a bunch of waiting dollar tips. The reason I designed it this way is to allow people to click away on those pledge/props buttons and worry about the money later. I think a fix could be that if you load BTC, waiting USD are auto-converted to BTC. Did I explain it well ? What do you think?

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August 04, 2012, 09:49:42 PM
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I see some pledges to dollar amounts from my account, I never intended to pledge dollar amounts.
I think that regardless of the pledged currency, if the pledge is greater than your current balance, you should alert the user that he needs to deposit more funds in order to meet the pledge.

The reason is probably that you had no money in your account, and end of month arrived -- the imaginary dollar (default monthly setting) was divided among the jars you gave to - and now have a bunch of waiting dollar tips. The reason I designed it this way is to allow people to click away on those pledge/props buttons and worry about the money later. I think a fix could be that if you load BTC, waiting USD are auto-converted to BTC. Did I explain it well ? What do you think?

I don't think auto-conversions are a good idea. Just follow the least-surprise principle - try not to surprise people.

Having your BTC automatically converted to USD, or the other way around, is surprising.
Donating, and finding out later that you didn't "really donate" because your account was empty, is surprising.

Just notify when the donation is made, that your account is empty.

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August 05, 2012, 02:46:33 AM
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A couple of questions and suggestions.

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Stephen,

I have opened two tickets related to your requests, which you may wish to track as well:

http://propster.uservoice.com/forums/163189-general/suggestions/3052358-allow-individual-tips-outside-of-the-pie-concept
http://propster.uservoice.com/forums/163189-general/suggestions/3052364-giving-props-process

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August 05, 2012, 09:28:06 PM
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Is there a way to view, on site, what tip jars were actually claimed? (Individually + aggregate)
There should be.

In the meantime, could such a report be manually produced?

You can now found the list of Claimed tip jars on this page, at the bottom:

https://propster.me/browse/main

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August 06, 2012, 05:32:35 AM
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A couple of questions and suggestions.

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4.) No explicit amount.
I'm wasn't a fan of Flattr because I didn't really want to Flattr evenly.  I get Flattr's logic -- they determined that the subscription model was all that would work for them.  Well, that's what might work for them but the subscription model sure didn't work for me and I quit using them after just one month.

So instead of me sporadically giving some blogger $2 after or whatever after a great read -- say once every other month or so, I now instead Flattr exactly $0.00, exactly zero times -- but I do this each and every month now!

So do the math. ... $0 per month from people like me when the approach is to force a subscription, or $1 per month average if you let the individual choose how much and when to Flattr.

Ok, .. so, what I'm asking is ... must you follow the same approach as Flattr, or can you at least give me the option to do a one-time prop where I set the amount and then click "Prop Once" or something like that?

I know I can send using the anonymous Prop bitcoin transaction, but hey -- maybe I feel good about myself when seeing my name appear, or whatever, and would like this one-time prop to appear just like all my other props are shown.

I have implemented the ability of giving an explicit amount, rather than doing it Flattr style. 

On a tip jar of interest, click "Give Props",



A window opens, with tip type "Automatic" as default (means Flattr style).



Select "Amount" in a dropdown,



Type amount that you want, and currency that you want:



If you have money in your account, the tip will be transferred immediately. Otherwise, it will be in wait state until you add enough money. Then it will be transferred until end of cycle happens, or you click "Divide the Pie" now (even though it is not coming from the pie, all the transfers are triggered then).



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August 08, 2012, 05:01:03 AM
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Had an idea, and opened a new thread for it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99202.msg1085528#msg1085528

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August 09, 2012, 04:58:21 PM
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I will continue above thread here, since it is becoming a Propster feauture. I'm experimenting with the term "bitcookie".  It will be hosted here:

https://propster.me/bitcookie

I hope that google scans this forum and will pickup on the link.  I want it to come up first in google search.

If you like the idea, and have the ability to link to this page, that would be good and you will be thanked with a small tip, as described in this booster bounty, setup for this purpose:

https://booster.io/tipjar/0cbek5s


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August 13, 2012, 02:05:19 AM
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I will continue above thread here, since it is becoming a Propster feauture. I'm experimenting with the term "bitcookie".  It will be hosted here:

https://propster.me/bitcookie

I'm presuming this is a single-use (first to claim) code?

Also, why does the recipient need to enter the URL?  How does it help, especially since the issuer knows where the code was displayed at?

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August 13, 2012, 06:56:07 AM
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I will continue above thread here, since it is becoming a Propster feauture. I'm experimenting with the term "bitcookie".  It will be hosted here:

https://propster.me/bitcookie

I'm presuming this is a single-use (first to claim) code?

Also, why does the recipient need to enter the URL?  How does it help, especially since the issuer knows where the code was displayed at?

Here's a slides presentation:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/pub?id=1etTNRHiUHjRmOlpJoCRvqisG_GHJPXK5F1VtqCxmBfk&start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000#slide=id.p

Btw, I'm almost done with the implementation, and expect it live by Monday next week.

The code is not single use. That is the beauty of it. The same cookie can be given out many times.  The only reason to have more than one cookie per tipper is to allow the tipper to have different identities to remain unassociated on forums where he posts. For example, I'm frisco2 here, but on hacker news I'm boris007. If I don't want people to know that frisco2 = boris007, so I will use different cookie codes on these forums.

Also, the cookie code is not "first to claim", since it will approved only if claimed by the right person. Every re-claim must be re-approved on the same conditions.  For example, if I give a cookie to Bob for helping me, I will have to approve it when he claims it. If he wants to claim again, I will just not approve it (because it makes no sense).

The recipient must enter the url because I will require the recipient to post a thank you message there, and I'm gonna take a screenshot. You are right, it could be done the other way around, by requiring the tipper to get a new cookie for every url, but that is annoying. This way the tipper can just remember his 4 digit cookie code, and post whenever he feels an impulse to say thank you.

I hope I make myself clear. Just wait a bit until you can give the system a work out yourself.


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August 16, 2012, 05:58:24 PM
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I am happy to announce that the Bitcookie feature is implemented.

https://propster.me/static/tutorial/bitcookie/

Note that I have created a dummy forum where we can experiment with the feature, and flesh out the usability:

http://testing2718.freeforums.org/test-forum-1-f2.html

Tip: You can create dummy propster accounts by creating OpenIds at myopenid.com, and using them to log it to Propster.

I just searched google for "bitcookie" and Propster's bitcookie page is first match!  Still, if you like this feature, for SEO please link to "https://propster.me/bitcookie" with anchor tag "bitcookie".  The Google search engine must continue to identify this page as the one where bitcookies are redeemed.

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August 23, 2012, 06:17:43 PM
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Bitcookies for IRC:

Now you can thank someone for helping you on IRC:

https://propster.me/content/tutorial/bitcookie/irc.html

The bots are on Freenode and OFTC.

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August 25, 2012, 12:19:45 AM
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I made a site for collecting donations for all the awesome linux projects, and it is accepting Bitcoin.
sometimes people are just stupid, and don't know what they are talking about...

GIMP, GCC, and mplayer, is NOT "linux" project, they are OPENSOURCE PROJECTS. GIMP and GCC, are gnu projects. and mplayer is independent(i think...). but they are not linux projects!

i am a huge fan of linux, gnu and opensource in general. but you are a incompetent noob, who don't understand a single thing that happens around you.

GNU stands for "GNU's Not Unix!", now people are confusing it with linux(which is also not unix).

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October 19, 2012, 03:24:02 AM
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@Frisco2, you might want to consider updating the first post of this thread.  The thread started under a different title, before there was a Propster, and the links to the old site in that first post are no longer functional.

(Additionally, the FSF's page still shows the old URL, so perhaps you want to let them know about the Propster URL as the replacement.)

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Thanks to whomever contributed anonymously on 2013-03-02! I just picked my account up again by vanity searching my handle.

-.0005 fee when I withdrew BTC0.05 around the time of opening the account (fair, considering the dust it swept up) https://www.biteasy.com/blockchain/transactions/8e5613b33c58060e7ab6cd01119fdfd2b58605653514c363c764bd5f9b3d0865
-.001 fee when I withdrew BTC0.125 just now (WTF? the 0.001 was taken by propster, didn't go to miners, and it was high enough priority for the free TX it was anyway) https://www.biteasy.com/blockchain/transactions/b9508ebdfa69f6fec80f079718731557ca1c7bda59064cf27f9de58172535bfc

https://propster.me/content/faq.html
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