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@mining1. But this is not nature. This is crypto and who are we to say what survives and what should die? Even if you justify it be saying that "it is the nature of things", there is also a justification that both can diverge and follow their own paths. Maybe later they can even co exist. In my opinion now is a good time to start hoarding ETC. It has proven to be quite resilient also despite threats of it being abandoned and attacked. Also Barry Silbert and Charles Hoskinson's support is nice.
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September 23, 2016, 09:04:48 AM |
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Hoarding a new coin is not a very safe thing to do. The coin has to prove the test of time by staying in the market for at least 2 years before you can think of hoarding it for long term.
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September 23, 2016, 02:05:48 PM |
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@bbc.reporter they can coexist ofcourse. I didn't mean literally die. This world needs janitors aswell. Daisy, in crypto land 2 years is too long unless that specific project has a huge potential, like these projects that aim to be much more than currency, like ethereum. There are also a few more projects like that but tbh i don't believe in their capability to develop and further build, like lisk,waves etc, even tho i invested a small amount in them.
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September 23, 2016, 02:26:38 PM |
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@mining1. But this is not nature. This is crypto and who are we to say what survives and what should die? Even if you justify it be saying that "it is the nature of things", there is also a justification that both can diverge and follow their own paths. Maybe later they can even co exist. In my opinion now is a good time to start hoarding ETC. It has proven to be quite resilient also despite threats of it being abandoned and attacked. Also Barry Silbert and Charles Hoskinson's support is nice.
Interesting you mentioned Barry Silbert and Charles Hoskinson, to me Barry Silbert has invested in ETC but is He going to support the platform financially because nobody can denied that ETC has been able to attract good developers and with time people will be expecting them to start launching Dapps on the platform and this require funds to actualise, if he can help them open up partnership this will be good rather thn been a pump and dump coin also concerning Charles, He is a good guy but to me I think He got back into ETC just to prove something to ETH foundation rather than been driven by passion that other developers on ETC has for the project, He is the CEO of a company already.
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September 23, 2016, 04:55:43 PM |
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Barry silbert doesnt really support ETC. Most likely scenario is this : Barry silbert hold alot of ETH, so after the fork, he also had alot of ETC, obviously. Now, if you have a small amount like me, it doesn't really make a big difference unless it's rising alot. But for someone who owns alot of ETC, it matters if you can raise it's value from 0.5$ to 1-3$ because in the end, it is free money right ? Barry silbert "support" for ETC meant twitter tweets, that's all. He didn't make his adress public to show you that he didn't already dump it ( i believe he did, atleast a part of it ). He was also challenged to make a smart contract so he would only be able to withdraw/sell only after ETC price would surpass ETH, to prove everyone he's legit and not a manipulator troll. He didn't respond that. Because that were his words, he wouldn't sell unless ETC would surpass ETH in price. As for charles hoskinson, my opinion is that for some time now he's aware that ethereum was a huge missed opportunity for him, both as a career and money. Imagine you leave Apple in early days, later when you see it's gaining momentum and drawing alot of attention, even tho it is far from succes not to mention peak, you'll join some other similar project to catch up because you realise what a stupid mystake you've done. Thing is, he didn't leave apple to join samsung, he left apple to join some chinese company which makes fake toy phones.
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September 23, 2016, 05:26:40 PM |
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Don't you worry about OP ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I am doing fine. Since the ETH blockchain cannot be trusted there is no real value in ETH blockchain. The money that ETH bagholders put into ETH is being used to develop the technology. The Ethereum Foundation knows better and is just selling theirs to fund development. The only thing of value in ETH is the technology (not the current ETH blockchain): be aware that since the ETH technology is not good enough to withstand the outside, real internet climate (because it can be hacked easy), it can only be used for private blockchains. Yes actually after they just get good investment from big banks that shows they are being quite favourite for banks and government. Eth foundation, big investor banks, few devs of ETH doing all development and changes making it completely centralized blockchain right now. ETC may win more favor of public in future as no any foundation controls ETC right now.
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September 24, 2016, 02:47:38 AM |
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Barry silbert doesnt really support ETC. Most likely scenario is this : Barry silbert hold alot of ETH, so after the fork, he also had alot of ETC, obviously. Now, if you have a small amount like me, it doesn't really make a big difference unless it's rising alot. But for someone who owns alot of ETC, it matters if you can raise it's value from 0.5$ to 1-3$ because in the end, it is free money right ? Barry silbert "support" for ETC meant twitter tweets, that's all. He didn't make his adress public to show you that he didn't already dump it ( i believe he did, atleast a part of it ). He was also challenged to make a smart contract so he would only be able to withdraw/sell only after ETC price would surpass ETH, to prove everyone he's legit and not a manipulator troll. He didn't respond that. Because that were his words, he wouldn't sell unless ETC would surpass ETH in price. As for charles hoskinson, my opinion is that for some time now he's aware that ethereum was a huge missed opportunity for him, both as a career and money. Imagine you leave Apple in early days, later when you see it's gaining momentum and drawing alot of attention, even tho it is far from succes not to mention peak, you'll join some other similar project to catch up because you realise what a stupid mystake you've done. Thing is, he didn't leave apple to join samsung, he left apple to join some chinese company which makes fake toy phones.
Barry Silbert clearly said that he owned his first non bitcoin crypto when he got into ETC. He declared it in public thru his Twitter account. For me he did it more to spite the Ethereum foundation for doing the hard fork and going against one of the most important concepts in the cryptosphere that is maintaining immutability no matter what. I also believe he is also in support of ETC to prove a point against Vitalik and show it thru making the ETC platform a success. I speculate Charles Hoskinson also has the same idea as Silbert and so do the owners and founders of Poloniex, Kraken and the ETC mining pools. The exchanges are less vocal but their actions speak a different tone by listing and supporting ETC.
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i sold all my eth and etc for bitcoin a while ago and got the hell out of there since it is becoming more and more unstable in both markets. i don't like seeing my money idle and even go down.
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September 24, 2016, 09:22:37 AM |
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Well now the ETH/ETC dust has settled it would be interesting to see how many hardcore ETC supporters are now long term bagholders waiting for ETC to rise (like all the other bagholders out there).
They were all warned.
On a positive note, at least it's still a viable blockchain. I'm actually more positive about it's future now it's survived this long and trading volume hasn't dropped to zero. Previous hype was just ETH-hating blowhards blowing as hard as they could.
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September 24, 2016, 09:57:08 AM |
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Barry silbert doesnt really support ETC. Most likely scenario is this : Barry silbert hold alot of ETH, so after the fork, he also had alot of ETC, obviously. Now, if you have a small amount like me, it doesn't really make a big difference unless it's rising alot. But for someone who owns alot of ETC, it matters if you can raise it's value from 0.5$ to 1-3$ because in the end, it is free money right ? Barry silbert "support" for ETC meant twitter tweets, that's all. He didn't make his adress public to show you that he didn't already dump it ( i believe he did, atleast a part of it ). He was also challenged to make a smart contract so he would only be able to withdraw/sell only after ETC price would surpass ETH, to prove everyone he's legit and not a manipulator troll. He didn't respond that. Because that were his words, he wouldn't sell unless ETC would surpass ETH in price. As for charles hoskinson, my opinion is that for some time now he's aware that ethereum was a huge missed opportunity for him, both as a career and money. Imagine you leave Apple in early days, later when you see it's gaining momentum and drawing alot of attention, even tho it is far from succes not to mention peak, you'll join some other similar project to catch up because you realise what a stupid mystake you've done. Thing is, he didn't leave apple to join samsung, he left apple to join some chinese company which makes fake toy phones.
Barry Silbert clearly said that he owned his first non bitcoin crypto when he got into ETC. He declared it in public thru his Twitter account. For me he did it more to spite the Ethereum foundation for doing the hard fork and going against one of the most important concepts in the cryptosphere that is maintaining immutability no matter what. I also believe he is also in support of ETC to prove a point against Vitalik and show it thru making the ETC platform a success. I speculate Charles Hoskinson also has the same idea as Silbert and so do the owners and founders of Poloniex, Kraken and the ETC mining pools. The exchanges are less vocal but their actions speak a different tone by listing and supporting ETC. Wrong, "he said" did he show any proof ? Cheap talk, why do you think chandler guo took the same attitude ? Because as i've explained, after the fork they owned an equal amount of ETC so they had to exploit it for profit. A bitcoin maximalist like barry shilbert would never acknowledge he owns a signifiant amount of ETH, because for most part bitcoin maximalists are anti ETH. But they would acknowledge they support ETC since they got it for free and it's " anti ethereum " movement, even tho they still depend 100% on ETH. I'ts easy to use your influence for your own benefit, as i said, if he really wanted to put his money where his mouth was he would have created a smart contract (or someone for him) that would have allowed him to withdraw only after ETC > ETH, as he "declared". But i suspect he was slowly dumping his bag so i doubt he owns a signifiant amount anymore. Same for guo, as i've read he attended devcon rofl. I still own a small amount of ETC, but i'm waiting for another pump.
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September 24, 2016, 10:51:09 AM |
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Barry silbert doesnt really support ETC. Most likely scenario is this : Barry silbert hold alot of ETH, so after the fork, he also had alot of ETC, obviously. Now, if you have a small amount like me, it doesn't really make a big difference unless it's rising alot. But for someone who owns alot of ETC, it matters if you can raise it's value from 0.5$ to 1-3$ because in the end, it is free money right ? Barry silbert "support" for ETC meant twitter tweets, that's all. He didn't make his adress public to show you that he didn't already dump it ( i believe he did, atleast a part of it ). He was also challenged to make a smart contract so he would only be able to withdraw/sell only after ETC price would surpass ETH, to prove everyone he's legit and not a manipulator troll. He didn't respond that. Because that were his words, he wouldn't sell unless ETC would surpass ETH in price. As for charles hoskinson, my opinion is that for some time now he's aware that ethereum was a huge missed opportunity for him, both as a career and money. Imagine you leave Apple in early days, later when you see it's gaining momentum and drawing alot of attention, even tho it is far from succes not to mention peak, you'll join some other similar project to catch up because you realise what a stupid mystake you've done. Thing is, he didn't leave apple to join samsung, he left apple to join some chinese company which makes fake toy phones.
Barry Silbert clearly said that he owned his first non bitcoin crypto when he got into ETC. He declared it in public thru his Twitter account. For me he did it more to spite the Ethereum foundation for doing the hard fork and going against one of the most important concepts in the cryptosphere that is maintaining immutability no matter what. I also believe he is also in support of ETC to prove a point against Vitalik and show it thru making the ETC platform a success. I speculate Charles Hoskinson also has the same idea as Silbert and so do the owners and founders of Poloniex, Kraken and the ETC mining pools. The exchanges are less vocal but their actions speak a different tone by listing and supporting ETC. Wrong, "he said" did he show any proof ? Cheap talk, why do you think chandler guo took the same attitude ? Because as i've explained, after the fork they owned an equal amount of ETC so they had to exploit it for profit. A bitcoin maximalist like barry shilbert would never acknowledge he owns a signifiant amount of ETH, because for most part bitcoin maximalists are anti ETH. But they would acknowledge they support ETC since they got it for free and it's " anti ethereum " movement, even tho they still depend 100% on ETH. I'ts easy to use your influence for your own benefit, as i said, if he really wanted to put his money where his mouth was he would have created a smart contract (or someone for him) that would have allowed him to withdraw only after ETC > ETH, as he "declared". But i suspect he was slowly dumping his bag so i doubt he owns a signifiant amount anymore. Same for guo, as i've read he attended devcon rofl. I still own a small amount of ETC, but i'm waiting for another pump. I'd get the hell out of the ETC Criminal Coin asap if I were you mate. That turkey is goosed. Do what I did and dump it for more ETH
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September 24, 2016, 01:11:23 PM |
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Nope, not yet. I trust that the new bagholders aren't just bagholders, but worshipping bagholders, and because of that they will not exit ETC market at a loss. So i think ~1$ is the bottom short term - 3months, and most likely all the whales drained most of their bags, so it cannot possibly go much lower for now atleast. I'm waiting for another 2.5-3$ pump and i'm out.
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September 24, 2016, 09:31:23 PM |
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Well now the ETH/ETC dust has settled it would be interesting to see how many hardcore ETC supporters are now long term bagholders waiting for ETC to rise (like all the other bagholders out there).
They were all warned.
On a positive note, at least it's still a viable blockchain. I'm actually more positive about it's future now it's survived this long and trading volume hasn't dropped to zero. Previous hype was just ETH-hating blowhards blowing as hard as they could.
Agreed and both camps seem mighty quiet these days huh ? Did the ETC'ers dump ?
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September 24, 2016, 10:54:00 PM |
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Well now the ETH/ETC dust has settled it would be interesting to see how many hardcore ETC supporters are now long term bagholders waiting for ETC to rise (like all the other bagholders out there).
They were all warned.
On a positive note, at least it's still a viable blockchain. I'm actually more positive about it's future now it's survived this long and trading volume hasn't dropped to zero. Previous hype was just ETH-hating blowhards blowing as hard as they could.
Agreed and both camps seem mighty quiet these days huh ? Did the ETC'ers dump ? Looks like it as ETC Criminal Coin is pretty dead now. No interest no developers and no big business. It's time to switch off the Criminal Coin servers.
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September 25, 2016, 03:00:43 AM |
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Well now the ETH/ETC dust has settled it would be interesting to see how many hardcore ETC supporters are now long term bagholders waiting for ETC to rise (like all the other bagholders out there).
They were all warned.
On a positive note, at least it's still a viable blockchain. I'm actually more positive about it's future now it's survived this long and trading volume hasn't dropped to zero. Previous hype was just ETH-hating blowhards blowing as hard as they could.
Agreed and both camps seem mighty quiet these days huh ? Did the ETC'ers dump ? Maybe but not totally price still holding up which I did not expect.
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September 25, 2016, 06:33:37 AM |
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I totally lost confidence in ETH since it cannot be longer called a blockchain after the HardFork.
Undoing history cannot be without consequences. I have thougth about it a couple of days and today I decide to sell all my eth for etc!
This is more possibility that Ethereum are cloned by Ethereum Classic Why did you trust Etc more than Ethereum that you can see there's are more potenial that ethereum can do than ETC and it's now in the long run why did you did trust ether than the unworhty ETC lol anyways thats your own decision tbh , i will definately choose Ethereum than ETC .
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September 25, 2016, 12:28:39 PM |
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i have kinda given up on ETC now because i am disappointed in the lack of rise that i was expecting from it but yet i shouldn't have expected much.
also i think ETH being the most manipulated coin which ever existed i think it is can be a better investment but only if it goes super low again. i will never buy it while it is high inside of a bubble.
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September 25, 2016, 04:31:47 PM |
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Taking into consideration news from the past 1 month i'd say ethereum is really undervalued. Read crypto news sites, reddit, and see for yourself, too much interest from big corporations to either build on public / private blockchain, use public chain and the fact that some really cool dapps are close to being launched.
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