MEMBERS OF ETHEREUM TO RETURN ETC TO DAO INVESTORS PETITION

[DAOinvestorwantsETC]

SIGN THE PETITION BELOW



https://www.change.org/p/ethereum-foundation-members-of-ethereum-team-white-hats-to-return-etc-to-dao-holders

DAO Investors & ETC

On June 17, 2016, the attacker found a loophole in The DAO's smart contract. With a new smart contract, the attacker what able to drain most of the funded ETH into a child DAO called "The Dark DAO".

The event created great turmoil in the Ethereum community, Which forced the community to act within 28 days, otherwise the funds would potentially be lost. The community acted and with strong consensus and the opt for a hard fork.
While most people were happy, others felt did the immutability of the network Which compromised. Out of philosophy, the Ethereum Classic project was born, the project would keep the original block chain alive.Fabian fowler, lead developer at Dapp Ethereum, Stated in a public post:
"We know the curator of the Attacker DAO with 3.5M ether, now 7.2 ether are safe in a DAO where we THEREFORE know the curator. With a temporary soft Fork all this ether can be send to a refund contract and the nightmare is over! "

THE white hat hackers now have control of over 7.2 million ETC Which belong to investors of the DAO.
The address used by Ethereum's developers can be found here, and at press time, it had amassed more than 4m ethers, worth Approximately $ 48m.
http://etherscan.io/address/0xb136707642a4ea12fb4bae820f03d2562ebff487

HOWEVER, funds from The DAO havealso been sent to this address, though Whether it is tied to the alleged attack or is Involved with the ethereum developer efforts is unclear. This address had amassed more than $ 140k worth of ether.

https://etherscan.io/address/0x4613f3bca5c44ea06337a9e439fbc6d42e501d0a#internaltx

A third address has ran thus amassed funds from The DAO, collecting Roughly $ 820,000 at press time.
http://etherscan.io/address/0xf4c64518ea10f995918a454158c6b61407ea345c#internaltx
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Q: Who are the Ethereum/DAO white hat hackers?

A: The public face of The Goodies (or Robin Hood as referred to in Update on the White Hat attack) is Alex Van de Sande ( Lined out - Based On His Reddit Post). The other members have not been revealed to the public.

While he is not working on behalf of his employer as part of The Goodies, he is lead designer at the Ethereum Foundation. He is spearheading the Wallet and Mist project with the Go Ethereum team.



Q: How can the community be assured that they can be trusted?

While

Everyone in this group acted as an individual and did not represent or received the endorsements of their employers.
I, and most Ethereum users, have already given him (the public face of The Goodies) the trust as we are already running the binary programs on our computers to interact with the Ethereum network. He, and the colleagues he works with in his normal employment, is already in a position where he could engineer the software running on your computer to steal all the private keys from your computer, along with any other juicy information you hold on your computer.

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UPDATE 08/08/2016

Q - Who are the White hat group ?

"I wouldn't call myself part of the Robin Hood Group, not because I’m afraid of legal consequences or ashamed of it, but because I don’t think I’m worthy of that title. The guys who made the DAO counter attack were able to create attack vectors much more sophisticated than the original attacker developed, and created new ways to twist it so that the original attacker couldn’t counterattack. They set up active running scripts that at some point were constantly draining the dao to 1 wei, to capture any ether the attacker sent to the DAO to set up a new attack. I would never be able to do any of this. While I did a small part in helping the original counterattack, I’ve also been told that since the first attack most of the original group splintered and only a few kept pushing forward. I haven’t participated since that day, I don’t control any of the private keys to any relevant addresses, I had recent contact with them, but since the main goal was accomplish I don’t intend to keep contact and I certainly don’t want to be seen as their spokeperson for the next step..
Also, even the small part I did, I acted as an individual, not as part of the Ethereum Foundation. I never told Vitalik about my plans and when Ming, the Executive Director, asked me about it I refused to tell her, so that the Foundation wouldn’t be in any way implicated or active in this.
Last time I spoke to the White Hat Group about the status they had told me the attacker was able to run off with a big part of the funds and while they had recently won some battles, the funds were far from secure as they were still aware of possible attacks – which is why I didn’t want to make any public comment on that matter, otherwise the attention could jeopardize this whole thing. IMHO part of the reason they were more successful now was because the DAO had less value and was under a lot less scrutiny since the fork, I doubt such attack would be successful had the fork not taken place."

Alex Van de Sande statement can be read below .

https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4wnn3k/alex_van_de_sande_uavsa_and_the_rest_of_the_robin/d68wfen

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UPDATE 09/08/2016

The whitehats have moved funds into what looks like the bytecode of a wallet contract on ETC.

http://blocks.elaineou.com/addr/0x1ac729d2db43103faf213cb9371d6b42ea7a830f#tab_addr_3
  
BREAKING NEWS - ETC TO BE DISTRIBUTED BACK TO DAO INVESTORS  10/08/2016

https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4wyk47/re_the_etc_salvaged_from_attackdaos/

https://twitter.com/eth_classic/status/763202407400673280

"We, as community members and because of the impending emergency, volunteered to secure the ETC that was immobilised in the “attackDAOs” after the “Robin Hood Group” disbanded.
Our number 1 goal is to ensure that the funds are distributed in a fair, transparent and just manner. Attempts have been made to convince us to manipulate the market and the distribution of funds for private individuals’ profit. We have refused to do so and are committed to treat every concerned party equitably and in a fair manner. We have been, and still are, in the process of seeking legal advice.
Achieving this will take time and thought to consider all of the reasonable options in the interest of all the concerned members of the various communities."
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This petition sets out to call to the specific members who are part of the  Ethereum foundation/team to access the ETC funds & redistribute to the DAO holders. This would be the legal, moral and ethical route of action  especially considering the turmoil Which the DAO investors had to face.
Please sign.
Thank you
DAO Investor


Other related posts & articles

https://medium.com/@jackfru1t/the-robin-hood-group-and-etc-bdc6a0c111c3#.be2aj8pl7             - Good article which summarises events

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4xasg3/follow_up_statement_on_the_etc_salvaged_from/?st=irrtyomt&sh=ef321958   - Follow up statement by white hats for transferring funds to Poloniex

https://blog.bity.com/2016/08/13/the-white-hats-and-dao-wars-behind-the-scenes/     - Legal firm  - Bity






https://www.change.org/p/ethereum-foundation-members-of-ethereum-team-white-hats-to-return-etc-to-dao-holders

[mining1]

Huh ? The "whitehat" attackers, first of all, are unknown. Secondly, if these whitehat attackers, whoever they are,  earned their 7.2mil ether legit, they used the same loophole the first atacker did so what's the problem ? I mean, IF ETC community thinks first DAO attacker earned it honestly, why would they want whitehat's to return what they earned ? Why is it right for the first attacker and wrong for them ? It's survival of the fittest on ETC blockchain, the stronger survives, if he's better than others then he / they deserve it all.
Why would the foundation give their ETC to those that suffered loses because of the DAO ? LOL, ethereum foundation is not charitable foundation. Now there's ethereum, the main chain with the theft removed and the WILDWEST ETC. If you chose to stay on ETC and sold your ETH, that's a choice. Or you bought in what the shills said "ETC is the new ETH" and you were dumped on ?

[DAOinvestorwantsETC]

Q: Who are the Ethereum/DAO white hat hackers?

A: The public face of The Goodies (or Robin Hood as referred to in Update on the White Hat attack) is Alex Van de Sande. The other members have not been revealed to the public.

While he is not working on behalf of his employer as part of The Goodies, he is lead designer at the Ethereum Foundation. He is spearheading the Wallet and Mist project with the Go Ethereum team.



Q: How can the community be assured that they can be trusted?

While

Everyone in this group acted as an individual and did not represent or received the endorsements of their employers.
I, and most Ethereum users, have already given him (the public face of The Goodies) the trust as we are already running the binary programs on our computers to interact with the Ethereum network. He, and the colleagues he works with in his normal employment, is already in a position where he could engineer the software running on your computer to steal all the private keys from your computer, along with any other juicy information you hold on your computer.

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I don;t agree with your 'survival of the fittest' statement. The white hat hackers are very close to the Ethereum team if not in the Ethereum team.
Therefore they have the responsibility to give back what is not rightfully theirs. WE ARE TALKING MILLIONS & MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. ITS GRAND LARSON - ITS ILLEGAL, IMMORAL AND UNETHICAL.

[Minecache]

I'm totally gud with the whitehat earning their ETC. At least they did it legitably with gud honest intentions unlike the dirty gud for nothing thief. I won't sign your petition and will continue to discourage others.

[DAOinvestorwantsETC]

Really???

What is the definition of a 'white hat attacker'.
If the definition is to prevent a black hat attacker taking more funds so they can keep it for themselves then you have a warped version of the term 'white hat hacker'.
I don;t disagree with giving the white hat hackers a carrot - ONLY if they return ETC back to its rightful owners legitimising good/alturistic intentions.
OTHERWISE they are the same as the black hats!

[mining1]

Ethereum foundation is not responsible for ETC in any way, people / miners voted 90% in favor of the hard fork, and after the hardfork the real number was 99%, since the main chain had 99% of total hashrate, meaning people that didnt vote, went with the hardfork aswell, otherwise they wouldnt have updated their client and stayed on the non forked chain, or changed to a non fork pool. The argument that "at some point ETC had 30% hashrate" is irrelevant, miners move daily to different pools / projects if they become more profitable.
Dude, im all in for good / altruistric intentions, but you're being unreasonable. ETC, like ETH or bitcoin, is what they earned when they chose to spend all their time working on the project. ETC is also a part of ethereum foundation's funds, ETC exist because they developed it so far, now it's not their responsability anymore. If they decide to make updates for ethereum compatible with ETC, that comes for free and you should be thankful, but that's it.

[DAOinvestorwantsETC]

Ethereum Classic is the original chain which DAO investors invested in. The fact it got hard forked & now some ethereum guys have millions of dollars of ETC (Which belong to the DAO investors)which they were meant to protect isn't right! ITS ILLEGAL AND  IMMORAL

[mining1]

If it's illegal then call the police. They are not obliged to give you anything. Ethereum also suffered loses because of the DAO, with it's value going to 50% of what it was. I don't ask for their money, do i ? You stupid fuck.

[DAOinvestorwantsETC]

what has a percentage loss in Ethereums market cap due to sloppy coding/auditing got to do with ethereum holding millions of dollars of DAO investors ETC which they were meant to protect & return. Infact it would have been more beneficial if they didn't take the ETC leaving it at the hands of the black hat so that would damage Ethereum classics reputation more with the predetermined hard fork.

Go get some education. I hear kindergarden is a good start.

[mining1]

It has all to do with it you dumbass, because DAO was like a hedge fund, but with NO insurance, no one guaranteed for the investment's safety as in, like " if something bad happens we'll give you our own money " . And the hardfork was only viable because of the 1month lockup period of the DAO funds, otherwise not even that would have been possible.
Being "meant to protect" is not the same as insured money, like if a bank gets robbed doesn't matter much because the money / deposits are insured.
Now that i destroyed your stupid arguments, tell us your mains account on this forum, how many do you have ?

[DAOinvestorwantsETC]

Facepalm - The Black hats funds were held in a child DAO too - the one month lock up period applied for his ETC too. So what was the POINT in the white hats( AKA ethereum-) if not to RETURN the funds.

[suchmoon]

Ethereum Classic is the original chain which DAO investors invested in. The fact it got hard forked & now some ethereum guys have millions of dollars of ETC (Which belong to the DAO investors)which they were meant to protect isn't right! ITS ILLEGAL AND  IMMORAL

Wait, what? So the DAO investors wanted the bailout and to get their ETH back, now they want to get some ETC as well?

There is an easy solution to that. Fork again and roll it back. Worked great the last time.

[mining1]

Because the "blackhats" funds locked in the dao were meant to give foundation time to come with a solution, and they did., HF was a resounding success. Problem with the "white hats" is, you cant possibly know how much of that 7.2mil ether are actually held by white hats, a part of them could simply go with " whitehat" to simply steal the money without causing too much panic. How many of the whitehat attackers admited they're the attackers and showed proofs ? How much of that 7.2mil can really be accounted in white hats hands ?
I don't say they shouldn't return the funds, i'm saying you can't know IF they are real white hats and i'm also saying they aren't OBLIGED to return the funds, because ETC community went with: IF the hacker got 3.5mil ether then that's his reward because the used the contract as it was meant, so i'll ask again: WHY is it right for the attacker and wrong for other atackers, be them white hats or black hats ?

[DAOinvestorwantsETC]

Ethereum Classic is the original chain which DAO investors invested in. The fact it got hard forked & now some ethereum guys have millions of dollars of ETC (Which belong to the DAO investors)which they were meant to protect isn't right! ITS ILLEGAL AND  IMMORAL

Wait, what? So the DAO investors wanted the bailout and to get their ETH back, now they want to get some ETC as well?

There is an easy solution to that. Fork again and roll it back. Worked great the last time.

No an easy answer to that is that members of the white hat Ethereum group redistribute the ETC which they have access to - to all the DAO holders adresses proportional to what they invested.

[mining1]

Ok there's no hope for you, you want them to give you their own money for your loses, as if they DIDNT lose ETC/ dao on etc chain. Stupid fuck. You could aswell ask chandler guo to give ETC for your loses, would be as stupid.

[DAOinvestorwantsETC]

Because the "blackhats" funds locked in the dao were meant to give foundation time to come with a solution, and they did., HF was a resounding success. Problem with the "white hats" is, you cant possibly know how much of that 7.2mil ether are actually held by white hats, a part of them could simply go with " whitehat" to simply steal the money without causing too much panic. How many of the whitehat attackers admited they're the attackers and showed proofs ? How much of that 7.2mil can really be accounted in white hats hands ?
I don't say they shouldn't return the funds, i'm saying you can't know IF they are real white hats and i'm also saying they aren't OBLIGED to return the funds, because ETC community went with: IF the hacker got 3.5mil ether then that's his reward because the used the contract as it was meant, so i'll ask again: WHY is it right for the attacker and wrong for other atackers, be them white hats or black hats ?

Becouse we know who the main white hackers are. They were a group co-ordinated by members of Ethereum.
Therefore the responsibility lies with Ethereum as a corporation to do the ethical act of returning ETC funds.
AND if they did lose Ethereum classic on the main chain - they can claim it back through the redistribution...


I am done speaking to you mining1 untill you have something intelligent to say

[mining1]

Lol, corporation, another proof youre so much dumber than me or anyone else. Your FUD is so bad, you shouldn't log again on this new created account to FUD because you just embarassed yourself.
@suchmoon no dao investor in their right mind would ask that, this is just low quality FUD from ETC/bitcoin side.

[DAOinvestorwantsETC]

i am aware its open sourced & not a corporation as such.
Ethereum as a brand would be a better term.
But i don't expect you to understand things from this perspective.
Morons generally don't.

[TrueAnon]

You are posting everywhere? lol nice try and all but dream on, it won't happen.

[DAOinvestorwantsETC]

why not?? if i was the white hat hacker i would. Why would i want to have any liability for the theft of millions of dollars of ETC. The legal implications is far far to great. The white hat hackers are known and respectable. Why would they want to carry that chip?

But it won't happen unless we let our voice known

Please sign the petition if you are a DAO holder and want your ETC back