OGNasty and Betcoin.ag

[cartell0]

So OGNasty is the new Master-P. Let me keep it that way...  
Time will justify the statement.

Are you mad? Did Og scam someone to the tune of 25 BTC?

No doubt that there is clearly a substantial difference of opinion between two forum members - and even involving trust ratings, which I don't think is appropriate - but comparing this to an outright escrow scam is ludicrous.

Without being ignorant just look at the pms sent by OGNasty in OP. He seeks positive trust wherever possible and extorts and sends negative trust to users wh are against his opinion. This was the exact behaviour of Master-P. So yeah, I'm standing by my statement for now. You’ll get to know the rest in future...

Btw, I won't even trade with OGNasty without an escrow if ever I have to trade anything!

[betlord90]

So OGNasty is the new Master-P. Let me keep it that way...  
Time will justify the statement.

Are you mad? Did Og scam someone to the tune of 25 BTC?

No doubt that there is clearly a substantial difference of opinion between two forum members - and even involving trust ratings, which I don't think is appropriate - but comparing this to an outright escrow scam is ludicrous.

Without being ignorant just look at the pms sent by OGNasty in OP. He seeks positive trust wherever possible and extorts and sends negative trust to users wh are against his opinion. This was the exact behaviour of Master-P. So yeah, I'm standing by my statement for now. You’ll get to know the rest in future...

Btw, I won't even trade with OGNasty without an escrow if ever I have to trade anything!

Anyone can advertise Betcoin.ag and no one can really dictate people to stop advertising anything here,

If twitchy and both of you cannot do nothing here and just troll betcoin.ag well get a life outside men you cannot be successfull on destroying their reputation. And just tell on who pay's both of you thay you are been failed to your mission.

Jasonort cased has been closed down or anything it is been fix by them. He is announced it clearly with his very own message.

And yet still both of you barking and barking for them.

Be openminded boys Just tell to your BOSS or who evers pays BOTH of you or maybe there are many of you who are paid troll that MISSION FAILED!!.

just go to mountain and dig some potatoes to make your life be worthfull.

[Wendigo]

Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.

[TwitchySeal]

just go to mountain and dig some potatoes to make your life be worthfull.

Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.

It seems like you really hate me and probably didn't read too much more than the first sentence of my OP.

These last two posts reminded of your first post in this thread, and the response from (likely) someones alt account that also seemed to be intentionally bad english.

-snip-
You all spend a lot of time mud-slinging at each other. You need to find a more productive pastime here on the forums.

OP, calm down, why OGNasty can't promote betcoin.ag? Because betcoin ban you? You talk about this everyday, looks like a loser, no offense, just working harder!

If you read the entire conversation, I think you'll find very little mud slinging and realize that I'm probably not doing this because I'm jealous of someones advertisement deal...

[Patatas]

Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.

You are quite bad at summarizing stuff.Please stay away from it.You don't seem to understand anything what's being discussed here,hence no sense out of your post is expected.

[Wendigo]

Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.

You are quite bad at summarizing stuff.Please stay away from it.You don't seem to understand anything what's being discussed here,hence no sense out of your post is expected.

Sure. Whatever floats your boat mate 

[game-protect]

It's all unnecessarily convoluted but since Og is not going to respond here the only feasible option seems to be for Twitchy to step back and accept that OgNasty will see through his agreement with Betcoin for the current month. He did provide a logical explanation - even if not satisfactory to Twitchy - why he's not removing the sig right now (contractual obligation). After that if he doesn't add a neg trust clause and/or continues with Betcoin ads then Twitchy might have a point. Until then I just don't see any possible positive outcome from trying to escalate this further.

No. His explanation is not logical. Promises or contracts with publicly proven scams are never valid.

Not only they are not valid, but you are also obliged by criminal laws and civil right to withdraw from it as soon as you get aware of the scam. Just to clarify, criminal laws and civil right always stand above Terms of Service.

Therefore, if TOS are not in accordance with laws, then they are not valid! It is as simple as that...

Also, who is the user that threatened OgNasty?

[Dyatrev]

Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.

You are quite bad at summarizing stuff.Please stay away from it.You don't seem to understand anything what's being discussed here,hence no sense out of your post is expected.

Sure. Whatever floats your boat mate 

till when pointing out scam and trying to prevent it called greed and jealousy?

[ajareselde]

Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.

That pretty much sums it up. +all the shills trying to mud the competing casino.
This thread just proves the attempts to bully people into doing what they want, well it won't work.

Twitchy, you would have much more credibility on the case if you would just post from your real account.

[suchmoon]

It's all unnecessarily convoluted but since Og is not going to respond here the only feasible option seems to be for Twitchy to step back and accept that OgNasty will see through his agreement with Betcoin for the current month. He did provide a logical explanation - even if not satisfactory to Twitchy - why he's not removing the sig right now (contractual obligation). After that if he doesn't add a neg trust clause and/or continues with Betcoin ads then Twitchy might have a point. Until then I just don't see any possible positive outcome from trying to escalate this further.

No. His explanation is not logical. Promises or contracts with publicly proven scams are never valid.

Not only they are not valid, but you are also obliged by criminal laws and civil right to withdraw from it as soon as you get aware of the scam. Just to clarify, criminal laws and civil right always stand above Terms of Service.

Therefore, if TOS are not in accordance with laws, then they are not valid! It is as simple as that...

Also, who is the user that threatened OgNasty?

Do you care about getting the ad removed or just playing a lawyer on the intertubes?

[actmyname]

That pretty much sums it up. +all the shills trying to mud the competing casino.
This thread just proves the attempts to bully people into doing what they want, well it won't work.

Twitchy, you would have much more credibility on the case if you would just post from your real account.

And what, pray tell, do you think his "real account" is? I see that your main point against this is that people are trying to shill for competing casinos, to drive away Betcoin.ag. There are countless casinos out there. The exclusion of one would not be worth the time for "shills". Marketing for themselves would be more efficient than downplaying other casinos.

[TwitchySeal]

Ooo, he updated the neg feedback on me...

Because he hasn't provided any evidence or rationale to back up his claims, it's kind of hard to defend myself other than simply denying it.




TwitchySeal provides support for user "game-protect" <--False

to try and extort forum members. <--False

Posts out of context edited PMs <--- He may be referring to this post where I posted a summary of his accusations against me, and included a link to this thread.  Like I said before, the OP of this thread and follow up post include every single interaction I have ever had with OgNasty.  Absolutely nothing was taken out of context and I'll happily cooperate with anyone who is interested in verifying my claim.  If I was lying about this, it would be quite easy for OgNasty to prove me wrong. 

Uses alternate accounts to leave negative trust for members he disagrees with. <---False

Avoid interacting with this user.

[thesame12]

Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.

That pretty much sums it up. +all the shills trying to mud the competing casino.
This thread just proves the attempts to bully people into doing what they want, well it won't work.

Twitchy, you would have much more credibility on the case if you would just post from your real account.

You'd also have much more credibility on this case if you'd stop using ad-hominem attacks and actually address the issues at hand. But we all know that betcoin would rather steal money from users from 10/31 to 12/14(I'm aware that particular issue has been addressed, that's just an example.)

[ajareselde]

That pretty much sums it up. +all the shills trying to mud the competing casino.
This thread just proves the attempts to bully people into doing what they want, well it won't work.

Twitchy, you would have much more credibility on the case if you would just post from your real account.

And what, pray tell, do you think his "real account" is? I see that your main point against this is that people are trying to shill for competing casinos, to drive away Betcoin.ag. There are countless casinos out there. The exclusion of one would not be worth the time for "shills". Marketing for themselves would be more efficient than downplaying other casinos.

Countless ?! I'm talking about casinos that advertise here on forum, where betcoin is thorn in the eye of some campaigns.
I wont be guessing Twitchy's real account name, i would like for him to be honest and reveal it himself.

[PrincessStar]

Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.

That pretty much sums it up. +all the shills trying to mud the competing casino.
This thread just proves the attempts to bully people into doing what they want, well it won't work.

Twitchy, you would have much more credibility on the case if you would just post from your real account.

To speak as if it is fact that this is not his real account you should show evidence or else lose credibility yourself.

[ajareselde]

Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.

That pretty much sums it up. +all the shills trying to mud the competing casino.
This thread just proves the attempts to bully people into doing what they want, well it won't work.

Twitchy, you would have much more credibility on the case if you would just post from your real account.

To speak as if it is fact that this is not his real account you should show evidence or else lose credibility yourself.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922;sa=showPosts;start=1140  Everyone who looks at his first posts (back from 2015) and
doesn't realize how the account is a shill is [insert random borderline insulting word here].

[TwitchySeal]

Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.

That pretty much sums it up. +all the shills trying to mud the competing casino.
This thread just proves the attempts to bully people into doing what they want, well it won't work.

Twitchy, you would have much more credibility on the case if you would just post from your real account.

To speak as if it is fact that this is not his real account you should show evidence or else lose credibility yourself.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922;sa=showPosts;start=1140  Everyone who looks at his first posts (back from 2015) and
doesn't realize how the account is a shill is [insert random borderline insulting word here].

Within my first week of signing up, someone made a ridiculous [Betcoin Stole My Money PROOF] thread after depositing a bunch of fractions worth of chips and not getting full credit or something.

I called him an idiot or something.

Got this email the next day and 25 or 30 chips in my account.



Do you see the issue with online casinos behaving like this ajareselde?

[ajareselde]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922;sa=showPosts;start=1140  Everyone who looks at his first posts (back from 2015) and
doesn't realize how the account is a shill is [insert random borderline insulting word here].

-cut-

You have ~1100 posts in ~ 1year   - I'm estimating that more than 90% of them is simply attacking betcoin, and countless thread where you attack everyone who doesn't agree with you on the topic of them.

For the 100th time, post from your real account please. Given the fact that you're posting only to attack/discredit/troll casino sites, i am certain you have personal interest in it.

[actmyname]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922;sa=showPosts;start=1140  Everyone who looks at his first posts (back from 2015) and
doesn't realize how the account is a shill is [insert random borderline insulting word here].

-cut-

You have ~1100 posts in ~ 1year   - I'm estimating that more than 90% of them is simply attacking betcoin, and countless thread where you attack everyone who doesn't agree with you on the topic of them.

For the 100th time, post from your real account please. Given the fact that you're posting only to attack/discredit/troll casino sites, i am certain you have personal interest in it.

You have ~1261 posts in ~1 year - I'm estimating that more than 90% of them are useless, and located on those huge threads, right? http://imgur.com/a/pTCjr

Oh, and here's just a few that I found.


Though now you've moved on to attacking TwitchySeal and defending Betcoin, I see. Surely, they're going to pay you well for those efforts!


(Oh, and don't move to ad-hominem attacking me next! As surely, that'll be your way of changing the subject, yes?)

[ajareselde]

(Oh, and don't move to ad-hominem attacking me next! As surely, that'll be your way of changing the subject, yes?)

I made a point that his involvement in the case is personal since his whole history is nothing but betcoin trolling/attacking, while mine is not.
Also, i never received anything other than a sig.payment from them but it's funny how both of you insinuate such things when someone doesn't agree with you.

Someone posting every day for over a year, bashing and attacking specific services - they are either mentally unstable or acting out of another interest.