Bitcoin Forum
April 25, 2024, 12:12:34 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: « 1 [2]  All
  Print  
Author Topic: Bitcoin valuation  (Read 3526 times)
hiima
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 112
Merit: 10


View Profile
March 31, 2013, 07:45:46 PM
 #21

I'm in this for an all or nothing bet, either win big or lose all.

Whiskey Fund BTC 1K2SG4amzNrB7gUwf5braHuExqnQ5nEKZp LTC Lgoz9gb7q39FMAmBz8odfkx4YFhLeofCpc
1714003954
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1714003954

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1714003954
Reply with quote  #2

1714003954
Report to moderator
1714003954
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1714003954

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1714003954
Reply with quote  #2

1714003954
Report to moderator
1714003954
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1714003954

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1714003954
Reply with quote  #2

1714003954
Report to moderator
Even in the event that an attacker gains more than 50% of the network's computational power, only transactions sent by the attacker could be reversed or double-spent. The network would not be destroyed.
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction.
1714003954
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1714003954

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1714003954
Reply with quote  #2

1714003954
Report to moderator
manfred
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 966
Merit: 1001


Energy is Wealth


View Profile
April 01, 2013, 05:02:54 PM
 #22

I'm in this for an all or nothing bet, either win big or lose all.
Never put all your eggs in one basket.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article39704.html
hiima
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 112
Merit: 10


View Profile
April 01, 2013, 07:06:59 PM
 #23

I'm in this for an all or nothing bet, either win big or lose all.
Never put all your eggs in one basket.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article39704.html

Not an all eggs in one basket deal, more of a the eggs in this basket are gonna ride it out all the way.

Whiskey Fund BTC 1K2SG4amzNrB7gUwf5braHuExqnQ5nEKZp LTC Lgoz9gb7q39FMAmBz8odfkx4YFhLeofCpc
MWNinja
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 630
Merit: 500



View Profile WWW
April 01, 2013, 08:40:37 PM
 #24


What do you see?

A glass that is twice the size it needs to be.  Do I win a prize?
johnyj
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1988
Merit: 1012


Beyond Imagination


View Profile
April 01, 2013, 09:08:32 PM
 #25

I did a very conservative valuation months ago:

Suppose that there are 2 billion internet users and 1/10 of them can handle bitcoin technically, that is 200m users. Suppose each of them will put a small fraction of their retirement saving into bitcoin, which averages 1000 USD, then each coin will worth 10K. Raise that percentage, 100K is not impossible

Since the coins people can get from exchange is only a small fraction of all the existing coins, 1 million USD per coin is also possible

And this is only one of the area of potential usage based on existing human society, what about those unknown opportunities happening in the future?

mestar
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 407
Merit: 250


View Profile
April 02, 2013, 04:47:50 AM
 #26

Instead of the cost of electricity being close to 1 btc for 1 btc mined, it actually converges to 1-(cost of hardware/btc produced over life of hardware).  Especially with asics coming online, this second term is significant.


No.  The cost of producing one BTC will always tend to be close to one BTC in a long run.  The cost of hardware, or the power efficiency can never change this.
mestar
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 407
Merit: 250


View Profile
April 02, 2013, 04:56:27 AM
 #27

Also, you are neglecting miners who consider the extra electricity as their investment capital and the bitcoin they earn as the asset they buy with that capital.  For that portion of the miners no USD funds are needed on the exchanges.

I already said this elsewhere.  Those miners that choose not to sell their bitcoins are in fact investing that cost into bitcoins, same as if they directly bought them on an exchange.

So, for each new created bitcoin to be "exchange neutral", one of two things must happen:
-somebody must buy some (significant) part of that coin from the miner, so miner can pay his costs
-miner itself must pay this cost

In any case, a fresh money must come from somewhere.

notme
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002


View Profile
April 02, 2013, 06:27:35 AM
 #28

Instead of the cost of electricity being close to 1 btc for 1 btc mined, it actually converges to 1-(cost of hardware/btc produced over life of hardware).  Especially with asics coming online, this second term is significant.


No.  The cost of producing one BTC will always tend to be close to one BTC in a long run.  The cost of hardware, or the power efficiency can never change this.


Right, but the analysis I was responding to ignore hardware cost and only looked a electricity.

https://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
While no idea is perfect, some ideas are useful.
Pages: « 1 [2]  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!