OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself."

[Quickseller]

What I find strange is Lutpin says OgNasty left him negative trust first, and OgNasty says Lutpin left him negative trust first. I have no idea who's telling the truth, but obviously only one of them is. I imagine in the database the trust timestamp is a timestamp and not just a date, so would an admin be so kind as to reveal the liar? 

I had replied to a PM from OgNasty ~30 minutes after this thread was created, and in the PM I let him know about this thread. At that time, I believe that OgNasty had a negative rating, and Lutpin did not.

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[OgNasty]

What I find strange is Lutpin says OgNasty left him negative trust first, and OgNasty says Lutpin left him negative trust first. I have no idea who's telling the truth, but obviously only one of them is. I imagine in the database the trust timestamp is a timestamp and not just a date, so would an admin be so kind as to reveal the liar? 

I had replied to a PM from OgNasty ~30 minutes after this thread was created, and in the PM I let him know about this thread. At that time, I believe that OgNasty had a negative rating, and Lutpin did not.

Thank you for that.  There are others who should be able to confirm with similar observations.  Here was my statement on that, which contains allegations I know better than to make (please see the word MIGHT), but I am still curious about these time stamps.

The only way it is possible for my trust rating to be first would be if you removed and replaced yours after I left mine.  Which might explain why trust feedback from another member was immediately left above mine, to stop me from doing that  (I thought that was odd, but didn't make the potential connection until now).  I sure hope things like this are logged too, as that would just open another can of worms.

[suchmoon]

After reading the first three pages I was going to suggest that whoever posted the neg first should revise it to neutral and ask the other person to do the same and move on. Turns out even that is subject to finger-pointing. So no way to come to an agreement on who negged first?

How about a cease fire for 72 hours, no public or personal communications, and rethink the whole situation after that? Ignore Twitchy and others trying to fan the fire. Surely both Og and Lutpin should be able to see how ridiculous this has become. No two people on this forum can ever 100% agree on everything. But up until this debacle I would have counted OgNasty and Lutpin among people who could at least agree to disagree. Can we somehow keep my illusion alive? No? Please?

[r421x0]

OGNasty has a point. He can do whatever the fuck he wants to with his signature and if you were harassing him about it, you're clearly the wrong one. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean you should harass someone over it. If someone sees his signature and goes on the site that he's advertising, it's not his fault that they are stupid enough to not do any background searching. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1589940.0 Really? You gave him a negative trust over something as stupid as this? Sorry to say this mate, but you don't know a single fucking thing about life. If you're seriously crying over something as small as him saying that because he got fed up, you should just sell your computer. From what I've seen, OGNasty has done nothing but help everyone. His escrow service is probably one of the most trusted ones I've seen. He has never failed to impress me.

Let's also look at some facts.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=520313 - You've been here for one year. And going through your posts, all you have really done is expose spammers or scammers & give many people false reputation.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321 - He has been here for multiple years. He has helped countless uses and the forum. He uses his own time to help people.

I don't understand why you retards think that the trust system can be used just because someone hurt your small-minded self & feelings. In any forum, the trust should be over someone who has done something to benefit a bunch of people, someone who is trustworthy or just someone who deserves it.

I agree with suchmoon on most of this.

"After reading the first three pages I was going to suggest that whoever posted the neg first should revise it to neutral and ask the other person to do the same and move on. Turns out even that is subject to finger-pointing. So no way to come to an agreement on who negged first? How about a cease fire for 72 hours, no public or personal communications, and rethink the whole situation after that? Ignore Twitchy and others trying to fan the fire. Surely both Og and Lutpin should be able to see how ridiculous this has become. No two people on this forum can ever 100% agree on everything. But up until this debacle I would have counted OgNasty and Lutpin among people who could at least agree to disagree. Can we somehow keep my illusion alive? No? Please?"

So just remove your negative trust and get the fuck over it. Kill yourself is almost never taken literally and if you get offended by it, you're just an uneducated retard?

[InvoKing]

read this post yesterday (accountless) and tried to avoid it but here i find it again...
this misunderstanding or whatever it is shouldn't happens in the first place...and you two, old wise members, need to calm down and to remove the neg trust, everyone from his own side without waiting to the other to initiate it
hate to see such conflicts between two members who have a respectable place among us  
move on boys and please close this topic forever

[OgNasty]

I think our relationship is much less hostile than it appears on this thread.

[suchmoon]

I think our relationship is much less hostile than it appears on this thread.

Since you're communicating elsewhere perhaps locking the thread would help the resolution as the $subject has already been addressed and it's just inviting trolling now.

@Lutpin?

[TwitchySeal]

OgNasty,

I am not games direct, i have not contacted you with any alt account ever,  I have not attempted to extort you and I have not intentionally misrepresented our communication in any way.

Its really fucked up the way you keep lying about me in this thread which leads others to assume what you say must already be proven to be true.  You've been asked by others to provide evidence and you haven't and won't because there is none.


edit:
Also want to add:if anyone thinks I'm trying to be sneaky or dishonest about anything in any way,feel free to ask/accuse me directly by pm, or even better publicly. The more direct the better.


(I'm traveling, on my phone, abd not totally caught up with things btw)

[ezeminer]

Well just getting bored and investigating the ratings.

Just cut all ties with each other. To all the trolls just don't encourage it, there are real people behind the computer screen.

To have prevented this in the first place, don't engage into people that just need to rant. Let them rant and get it out, sometimes we just need to vent. Life is stressful, try to clear your system of stuff you don't want.

I haven't read everything, but if you want to call out good members, try and be civil and just reach out over a message voicing concern and providing real evidence. If it is found true, leave a neutral trust warning people of it.

[Vod]

I think Quickseller really should kill himself.

[r421x0]

I think Quickseller really should kill himself.

Here's a man who's decent enough to straight up say it instead of causing a controversial topic like this.

Lutpin, I recommend that you take some time off to figure out what to do with your life and stop mini modding the forum, it's about Bitcoin; not spammers. You've practically done nothing for Bitcoin or its users, so why should you have the right to be on DT? Especially considering the fact that you abuse it so much.

[Vod]

I think Quickseller really should kill himself.

Here's a man who's decent enough to straight up say it instead of causing a controversial topic like this.

Lutpin, I recommend that you take some time off to figure out what to do with your life and stop mini modding the forum, it's about Bitcoin; not spammers. You've practically done nothing for Bitcoin or its users, so why should you have the right to be on DT? Especially considering the fact that you abuse it so much.

I'm not taking the side of Lutpin, or OgNasty.   It's just the way I feel - the forum would be much better off if Quickseller would take his own life.  

But now you've done it!  Quickseller had me on ignore, so he never would have read my message (lol).  Now HE is free to start another multi page thread about how my feelings interfere with his way of life.

[Wendigo]

This whole feedback system is a load of crap. Theymos should remove this 'feature' or should I say cancer of the forum and everything will fall into place. No more circle-jerking and green trust whoring by anyone. Wouldn't it be wonderful?

Also remove the shitty signatures as well. I bet this will cause a natural culling of all simpletons here. Darwin's law in action.

[mammabitcoin2u]

Explain this "trust".  What does OgNasty trusting Mitchell who trusts RHavar (sp?) who trusts Twitchy got to do with anything?  How is this connected?  

Use the search function.  This isn't the place to learn about how the forum works.  You are beating a dead horse.  Last time I'm responding to you.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7729/17731573352_13d1b0906c_o.png

I know how the forum works.  I understand how trust/neg feedback is applied.

Your reasoning for "removing feedback" doesn't make sense and isn't how the forum works. 

Just because you "trust/distrust" someone doesn't mean everyone should.   

I'm happy to learn people's opinions/views through this thread. 

This thread/issue is dead as far as I'm concerned.

[Anduck]

This whole feedback system is a load of crap. Theymos should remove this 'feature' or should I say cancer of the forum and everything will fall into place. No more circle-jerking and green trust whoring by anyone. Wouldn't it be wonderful?

Also remove the shitty signatures as well. I bet this will cause a natural culling of all simpletons here. Darwin's law in action.

I totally agree that this feedback system sucks. So much drama because of it..
The sig thing is a fun one, and actually gives an incentive for people to participate here. People who post content get paid for it. Bitcoin kind of uniquely enables this sig system to actually work like it does here.

[EcuaMobi]

I think Quickseller really should kill himself.

Here's a man who's decent enough to straight up say it instead of causing a controversial topic like this.

Lutpin, I recommend that you take some time off to figure out what to do with your life and stop mini modding the forum, it's about Bitcoin; not spammers. You've practically done nothing for Bitcoin or its users, so why should you have the right to be on DT? Especially considering the fact that you abuse it so much.

I'm not taking the side of Lutpin, or OgNasty.   It's just the way I feel - the forum would be much better off if Quickseller would take his own life.  

Is this supposed to be sick joke? I know you both lose control when talking about the other so lately I've just tried to ignore posts by you mentioning QS or by him mentioning you (while I do read posts by the both of you otherwise) but if you really mean this then you're quite inestable. I hope that's not the case and I just don't get your humor. Is this a joke or not?

[cpfreeplz]

I think Quickseller really should kill himself.

*Vod runs in with a gas tank*

"Where's the fire?!"


I know how to solve the negative feedback issue. Whoever left retaliation feedback, change the feedback to neutral. Whoever is left with a negative feedback on their profile is the one who got negged first.

Ok go!

[cakir]

I think Quickseller really should kill himself.

Here's a man who's decent enough to straight up say it instead of causing a controversial topic like this.

Lutpin, I recommend that you take some time off to figure out what to do with your life and stop mini modding the forum, it's about Bitcoin; not spammers. You've practically done nothing for Bitcoin or its users, so why should you have the right to be on DT? Especially considering the fact that you abuse it so much.

I'm not taking the side of Lutpin, or OgNasty.   It's just the way I feel - the forum would be much better off if Quickseller would take his own life.  

But now you've done it!  Quickseller had me on ignore, so he never would have read my message (lol).  Now HE is free to start another multi page thread about how my feelings interfere with his way of life.

Hi Vod, I got a pm from self escrow scammer Quickscammer because you're on my trust list.
(referenced post is the quoted one)
Here's pm:

Hello,

I am not sure if you have seen this post or not, however it is a deeply disturbing post by Vod.

As of now, you have Vod in your trust list, and as a result, I believe that you should be made aware of the above.

Although the inclusion of someone in your trust list is not a direct endorsement of everything someone says or does, I do believe it is an endorsement of their behavior and business practices.

If you do not condone this kind of behavior, then please remove and/or exclude Vod from your trust list. In order to remove Vod from your trust list you will have to do the following:
Go to Profile --> Trust --> Trust Settings --> Delete Vod from your trust list (or add a '~' in front of Vod's name) --> Update

If you decline to remove Vod from your trust list, then I will make it publicly known that you condone the kind of behavior displayed in the above linked post.

If you wish to discuss this matter, I am available via forum PM. If you wish to keep our communications private, then my PGP key can be found in my profile, and here.

Regards
QS

I don't know what you've done but I'm sure you're right what you've done.
As I my trust settings I do trust you & your judgements

[defcon23]

I think Quickseller really should kill himself.

it is sometimes better to be silent and to imply that you're a  a fool, rather than to speak and remove all doubt ....

what a pitty ...

[redsn0w]

This whole feedback system is a load of crap. Theymos should remove this 'feature' or should I say cancer of the forum and everything will fall into place. No more circle-jerking and green trust whoring by anyone. Wouldn't it be wonderful?

Also remove the shitty signatures as well. I bet this will cause a natural culling of all simpletons here. Darwin's law in action.

Do you think he should really remove the DefaultTrust system?