OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself."

[ndnh]

I think Quickseller really should kill himself.

Here's a man who's decent enough to straight up say it instead of causing a controversial topic like this.

Lutpin, I recommend that you take some time off to figure out what to do with your life and stop mini modding the forum, it's about Bitcoin; not spammers. You've practically done nothing for Bitcoin or its users, so why should you have the right to be on DT? Especially considering the fact that you abuse it so much.

I'm not taking the side of Lutpin, or OgNasty.   It's just the way I feel - the forum would be much better off if Quickseller would take his own life.  

But now you've done it!  Quickseller had me on ignore, so he never would have read my message (lol).  Now HE is free to start another multi page thread about how my feelings interfere with his way of life.

I don't appreciate this kind of attitude from a DT member. It is the same as 'I think QS should leave the forum' yet you put it in a terrible way.

Agreed.  Lutpin, despite what I may or may not think of you and your behavior, suggesting you kill yourself, even if being sarcastic, was not appropriate and I am sorry I made the comment.  If you killed yourself as a result of my statement, I would certainly lose sleep over it and feel a great deal of guilt.  While I tend to think people are a little too sensitive these days, my own beliefs don't excuse me from perceived threats and I'm sorry that you thought I was threatening you, I wasn't.  Rather than asking you to provide IP evidence it was me who made the comment, I've taken responsibility for my actions and apologized.  I should not have said that you should kill yourself.  I did, and I am sorry.

[sho_road_warrior]

Whats with the hijacking? Post on topic or in another thread.

[Vod]

I don't appreciate this kind of attitude from a DT member. It is the same as 'I think QS should leave the forum' yet you put it in a terrible way.

My thoughts are my thoughts.  Everyone knows I am a scambuster, and everyone knows that Quickseller is a scammer.

He's not "deeply disturbed" of my thoughts - he could care less what I think.  He's just trying, as usual, to get me removed from DT.  

I hope I made my point.  Posts about feelings are not threats.

Let Quickseller's BLACKMAIL begin! 

[yahoo62278]

OK i just got caught up in reading this whole thread.(quite a long 1 btw) Im not taking sides with anyone as i dont wanna be in the middle of anything and i see OG has removed his sig. I do have a question though.

Alot of you DT members have threatened to tag or have tagged users for basically the same actions as OGNasty. Promoting ponzis, Advertising scam sites, Self escrow, selling accounts, msdn keys, and many other activities. Therefore anyone promoting the site should be tagged according to past tags by you DT users. What makes OGNasty any different? I realize he personally isnt a scammer, hes just getting paid. SO WERE OTHERS, yet they still must wear that neg tag correct? Im not saying either way is correct. Do tag ppl who advertise sites whore known shitholes or dont. I am saying users should be treated the same 100% across the board no matter who they are.

Its kinda hypocritical for 1 situation to be ok because the user is DT and everyone else is just screwed IMO.

Personally if theres gonna be this DT list you should all get together collectively and form a set of guidelines. This way everyone is on the same page and thing are done correct. Just basing my opinion off things ive seen in the past

[grtthegreat]

Frankly speaking, when Betcoin.AG told me about him hiring OgNasty, at that point of time, I knew this wasn't going to end well for OgNasty because OgNasty is highly trusted and he was hired by a website for advertisement which was known for being shady.

[CryptoDatabase]

OK i just got caught up in reading this whole thread.(quite a long 1 btw) Im not taking sides with anyone as i dont wanna be in the middle of anything and i see OG has removed his sig. I do have a question though.

Alot of you DT members have threatened to tag or have tagged users for basically the same actions as OGNasty. Promoting ponzis, Advertising scam sites, Self escrow, selling accounts, msdn keys, and many other activities. Therefore anyone promoting the site should be tagged according to past tags by you DT users. What makes OGNasty any different? I realize he personally isnt a scammer, hes just getting paid. SO WERE OTHERS, yet they still must wear that neg tag correct? Im not saying either way is correct. Do tag ppl who advertise sites whore known shitholes or dont. I am saying users should be treated the same 100% across the board no matter who they are.

Its kinda hypocritical for 1 situation to be ok because the user is DT and everyone else is just screwed IMO.

Personally if theres gonna be this DT list you should all get together collectively and form a set of guidelines. This way everyone is on the same page and thing are done correct. Just basing my opinion off things ive seen in the past

The DT trust system is a joke, personally I don't trust any of them based solely on most of them being so full of shit it's annoying. They don't follow the rules they claim to set for everyone else therefore their opinions mean absolutely nothing to me.

[betlord90]

DT people should do proper investigation for theirself before believing some shit trolls here, people gonna make some bad accussations to anyone and maybr they are there business competitor and making some bad propaganda so they can stain the image of the business itself.

Try to investigate about people keep barking against that site so you can see that theirs something fishy around there thats why he do chasing and keep barking and barking again to that succeesfull site. I believe they are payed ones by someone who owns a gambling site to eliminate ther competitor.


OGNasty and lutpin should move on now and let the red tags remove to each other to avoid commotion and if they continue that i think the word war would provably spread and maybe it can hit another users ego and creates another flame wars.

[Vod]

*Vod runs in with a gas tank*

"Where's the fire?!"

More like I run in with an extinguisher!  It certainly calmed this hot topic down... 

My post has accomplished what I wanted it to - make people realize that one person's feelings does not a personal threat make.

The only person that really reacted was QuickSeller - and he sent a lie and threat off to a couple dozen people.  He said he was "deeply disturbed" by what he read - but we all know you cannot be affected by words unless you respect those words - which Quickseller does not.  Quickseller does not respect anyone but himself.  Typical scammer/psychopath behavior.

 

[TwitchySeal]

I noticed OgNasty changed his signature to another gambling signature campaign?  Anyone know why?



Recap:

July 29

• Betcoin.ag places bids to Advertise on Bitcointalk.org
  
• I contact Theymos ask him not to Advertise for Betcoin:

Hi Theymos,
I'll make this short.
Please do not allow Betcoin.ag to advertise on this forum.  
They have refused to respond to numerous scam accusations relying on their signature campaign members to build their reputation rather than earning it by behaving reputable.
They are currently bidding on forum advertisements because their signature campaign members will be likely receiving negative trust at the end of the month.
Please let me know if providing links, explanations or anything would make things more clear.
Thanks, TwitchySeal

Thanks for letting me know, I rejected his bid.

( Entertaining response from Betcoin - at least imo )


August 1

• Betcoin welcomes OgNasty to their campaign and points out how trusted the latest member is before locking campaign thread and starting a new, self-moderated thread.
  
• I contact OgNasty and ask him to stop advertising for Betcoin: (Complete history of messages with screen shots in this post)
  

  Hi,
  I'm disappointed to see you have decided to promote Betcoin.ag  Are you aware of the scam accusations made against them that they have refused to address?
  I'm not affiliated with any site, just a professional online poker player with over 10 million hands played on various sites that believes Bitcoin has the potential to solve many of the problems my industry faces.
  If you are unfamiliar with the issues with Betcoin.ag, would you be willing to hear me out?  I'm happy to explain any or all and provide evidence.
  TwitchySeal
  

  I've been contacted by several members today about their issues.  There's really nothing I can do about it at this point.  I took their money to advertise for the month.  At the end of the month I can certainly try to find a replacement advertiser who has a better reputation, but not many people are willing to pay several hundred dollars for a signature ad.
  
  If I were you, I wouldn't take it as a sign I am vouching for them.  Take it for what it is, I am taking their money for a limited advertisement.
  

  It doesn't matter how I take it, I already know about Betcoin.ag  It's how people who don't know about Betcoin.ag take it that concerns me.
  You are one of the most trusted/respected members on this forum and every post you've made now includes a promotion for Betcoin claiming they are "the most trusted bitcoin and litecoin casino".  The reason they are paying you so much is because of your reputation.
  Betcoin has many issues.  The biggest issue, however, is how they handle all the smaller ones.  They don't.  They simply ignore players who have issues.  For the last couple months literally the only place they would respond was in their signature campaign thread.
  They recently switched to a self moderated thread, their final post before locking the old one:
  

  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571148

  Betcoin is trying to buy a reputation they don't deserve.
  Please give them their money back and stop allowing them to leach off your good reputation.
  

  You clearly want me to stop advertising for them, so if you'd like to send me 1 BTC, I'll happily refund them and find a new advertiser.
  

  I just want you to understand that your decision to promote Betcoin will have a very real effect on individuals and communities.  If you're interested I'd be happy to elaborate on what kind of effects they will be and provide evidence to back it up.
  If you're just interested in selling your signature and reputation to the highest bidder, I'm definitely wasting my time.
  

  I've been extremely vocal that I think signature campaigns are evil.  I've done everything I can to bring a stop to them.  I've even made proposals to limit them to extremes.  I also think that gambling is evil and do not support or condone it in any way, nor do I participate.
  
  We are all adults here.  Everyone knows it is a paid signature.  Easy for you to say to give the money back, but unless you want to put your money where your mouth is, please spare me the lectures.
  

• After the last message, I did not respond or attempt to communicate with OgNasty in any way until August 8th. 7th.

August 4-5

• User: Games-Protect tells OgNasty to return Betcoin their fee and remove his signature or else he will leave OgNasty neg feedback.  (see edit)
  
• Games-Protect Leaves OgNasty negative feedback.  At the time this was the only negative feedback to be found on OgNastys profile including sent/received and trusted/untrusted
  
• OgNasty sends the following messages to G-P:

I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this.  Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first.

Here's the negative feedback I'll be returning to you tomorrow if you do not remove the unwarranted negative feedback immediately.  I will be more harsh to alt accounts I discover linked to this account, as well as alerting the scam patrol and moderator staff to do the same.  Please do the right thing and save us both the time and negative energy.

Leaving negative feedback because of who purchased my advertising?  Clearly this unstable individual and his service should be avoided.[/color][/b][/size]

What other account  

I'm not going to dignify you with any further discussion.  Tomorrow I will leave you negative feedback if you do not do the right thing. If you send me any other message besides apologize for leaving me negative trust because I fulfilled the promise of my signature auction then I will set your account to ignore.  I'm not going to play games with you..  Good luck.  Seek help for your gambling addiction.  Nobody is to blame for your current situation but yourself.

You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?

If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot. This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.

That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.


Games-Protect does not remove his OgNasty negative feedback and...

• OgNasty leaves feedback for G-P
  
• OgNasty leaves feedback for Twitchyseal:
  
• Ognasty sends a message to Twitchyseal:

Remove it...

edit:

Hi,

August 4-5

• User: Games-Protect tells OgNasty to return Betcoin their fee and remove his signature or else he will leave OgNasty neg feedback.

-> this is not true.

- I gave OgNasty a negative feedback like I gave to all the other promoters

- I did not contact OgNasty asking him for anything

- After he realized that I gave him a negative feedback, he sent me pms and threaten me to remove it

Your recap below is correct:

• Games-Protect Leaves OgNasty negative feedback.  At the time this was the only negative feedback to be found on OgNastys profile including sent/received and trusted/untrusted
  
• OgNasty sends the following messages to G-P:

I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this.  Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first.

...

[tertius993]

I think Quickseller really should kill himself.

Here's a man who's decent enough to straight up say it instead of causing a controversial topic like this.

Lutpin, I recommend that you take some time off to figure out what to do with your life and stop mini modding the forum, it's about Bitcoin; not spammers. You've practically done nothing for Bitcoin or its users, so why should you have the right to be on DT? Especially considering the fact that you abuse it so much.

I'm not taking the side of Lutpin, or OgNasty.   It's just the way I feel - the forum would be much better off if Quickseller would take his own life.  

But now you've done it!  Quickseller had me on ignore, so he never would have read my message (lol).  Now HE is free to start another multi page thread about how my feelings interfere with his way of life.

Hi Vod, I got a pm from self escrow scammer Quickscammer because you're on my trust list.
(referenced post is the quoted one)
Here's pm:

Hello,

I am not sure if you have seen this post or not, however it is a deeply disturbing post by Vod.

As of now, you have Vod in your trust list, and as a result, I believe that you should be made aware of the above.

Although the inclusion of someone in your trust list is not a direct endorsement of everything someone says or does, I do believe it is an endorsement of their behavior and business practices.

If you do not condone this kind of behavior, then please remove and/or exclude Vod from your trust list. In order to remove Vod from your trust list you will have to do the following:
Go to Profile --> Trust --> Trust Settings --> Delete Vod from your trust list (or add a '~' in front of Vod's name) --> Update

If you decline to remove Vod from your trust list, then I will make it publicly known that you condone the kind of behavior displayed in the above linked post.

If you wish to discuss this matter, I am available via forum PM. If you wish to keep our communications private, then my PGP key can be found in my profile, and here.

Regards
QS

I don't know what you've done but I'm sure you're right what you've done.
As I my trust settings I do trust you & your judgements

I too have received that PM.

Although I certainly do not support Vod's words in that post - they seem quite inappropriate to me - I also do not care to be blackmailed, so I do not intend to change my trust list as a result of this.

[Vod]

I too have received that PM....  ...I do not intend to change my trust list as a result of this.

Yes, it seems QS sent his lie/blackmail to quite a number of people, in the blind hope I would be ostracized from this forum.  Don't worry - his past actions mean his word means little to the community.   Stand by who you trust, and do not be worried that QS can affect you in any way.  

[dooglus]

for the love of God , dooglus, remove Lutpin from DT - such an annoying , irritating, manipulative, childish little twat does not deserve to be there!

If you want me to see your message in a timely manner, try PMing me rather than posting in a thread I am unaware of.

I never added Lutpin to DT and don't even know who he is. It looks to me like he's in cryptodevil's trust list.

[CryptoDatabase]

I too have received that PM....  ...I do not intend to change my trust list as a result of this.

Yes, it seems QS sent his lie/blackmail to quite a number of people, in the blind hope I would be ostracized from this forum.  Don't worry - his past actions mean his word means little to the community.   Stand by who you trust, and do not be worried that QS can affect you in any way.   

I'm curious, you have stated in this post that what QS said was blackmail. You are close as it is actually extortion but what is your view on OgNasty saying an almost identical thing but his fellow DT clowns claim it isn't actually extortion?

[OgNasty]

I love the irony that in a community with an ideology highly focused on privacy and freedom, someone feels it is their right to tell me who to trust and what I can advertise.

[r421x0]

I love the irony that in a community with an ideology highly focused on privacy and freedom, someone feels it is their right to tell me who to trust and what I can advertise.

You should create your own forum. This one is full of third world country scammers, spammers and literal retards. From what I've seen, most would kill their own mother for a few cents. They're the biggest hypocrites, considering the fact that if they were paid even 1/2 of what you were to wear the signature, they wouldn't think twice before accepting.

[ndnh]

I don't appreciate this kind of attitude from a DT member. It is the same as 'I think QS should leave the forum' yet you put it in a terrible way.

My thoughts are my thoughts.  Everyone knows I am a scambuster, and everyone knows that Quickseller is a scammer.

He's not "deeply disturbed" of my thoughts - he could care less what I think.  He's just trying, as usual, to get me removed from DT.  

I hope I made my point.  Posts about feelings are not threats.

Let Quickseller's BLACKMAIL begin!  

You absolutely don't need to post your thoughts that doesn't make anyone feel better.

I have removed Quickseller (along with Vod) from my trust list (not that it matters ), but I don't believe he is a scammer.

[TwitchySeal]

I love the irony that in a community with an ideology highly focused on privacy and freedom, someone feels it is their right to tell me who to trust and what I can advertise.

You are certainly embracing it:



Did Theymos have his freedom violated also?

Hi Theymos,
I'll make this short.
Please do not allow Betcoin.ag to advertise on this forum.  
They have refused to respond to numerous scam accusations relying on their signature campaign members to build their reputation rather than earning it by behaving reputable.
They are currently bidding on forum advertisements because their signature campaign members will be likely receiving negative trust at the end of the month.
Please let me know if providing links, explanations or anything would make things more clear.
Thanks, TwitchySeal

Thanks for letting me know, I rejected his bid.

( Entertaining response from Betcoin - at least imo )

[TwitchySeal]

I also just received a pm from Games-Protect informing me I was mistaken in my timeline:

Hi,

August 4-5

• User: Games-Protect tells OgNasty to return Betcoin their fee and remove his signature or else he will leave OgNasty neg feedback.

-> this is not true.

- I gave OgNasty a negative feedback like I gave to all the other promoters

- I did not contact OgNasty asking him for anything

- After he realized that I gave him a negative feedback, he sent me pms and threaten me to remove it

Your recap below is correct:

• Games-Protect Leaves OgNasty negative feedback.  At the time this was the only negative feedback to be found on OgNastys profile including sent/received and trusted/untrusted
  
• OgNasty sends the following messages to G-P:

I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this.  Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first.

...

This makes OgNastys entire accusation of being "extorted" invalid.  He received negative feedback from a user for his decision to promote a site.  He retaliated with threats to Games-Protect and ultimately "painted his account red" and also mine with complete lies and zero evidence of any kind.

In the end he changed his signature anyway. wtf.

[OgNasty]

In the end he changed his signature anyway. wtf.

Indeed.  I also apologized for my comment that supposedly initiated this thread.  Yet the attacks continue and Lutpin still won't lock the thread.  Sort of makes you wonder who was the one being harassed huh?  I guess we're just waiting for an administrator to confirm he's lying about leaving me negative trust first so he'll remove it and apologize.

[suchmoon]

In the end he changed his signature anyway. wtf.

Why are you still chomping at it if you got what you wanted?

Ok, so Og wasn't quite as nice with you as you expected, I get that. But there is nothing to be gained anymore and he's very unlikely (to put it mildly) to become your best friend if you keep pestering him.

Seriously kids these days... I thought I'm a no-life troll but y'all take it to a whole new level.