Redundant answers to threads

[drwtsn32]

How do we control the content of the posts when a thread consists of more or less 500 pages already?
I mean, the answers are probably already said in the first pages and of course, a single user cannot read back to know if his answer is already said because of too many pages.

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[Lauda]

What thread are we talking about? A thread that is ~500 pages long is not common (unless we're talking about some altcoin ANN threads or special threads like Wall Observer).

I mean, the answers are probably already said in the first pages and of course, a single user cannot read back to know if his answer is already said because of too many pages.

Those threads are generally useless and should have been locked long ago (excluding the examples listed above). How about you avoid posts in those in the first place?

[Omegasun]

What thread are we talking about? A thread that is ~500 pages long is not common (unless we're talking about some altcoin ANN threads or special threads like Wall Observer).

I mean, the answers are probably already said in the first pages and of course, a single user cannot read back to know if his answer is already said because of too many pages.

Those threads are generally useless and should have been locked long ago (excluding the examples listed above). How about you avoid posts in those in the first place?

users that giving their opinion and quoting repeatedly the first post OP is consider as spamming.i think many of them just post because signature campaign.
and i already saw some user that answering irrelevant to their quoted message.
Are the staff have the authority to delete this kind of thread? because i know that you can delete some spammy post. but i don't know about deleting
a nonsense thread.

i think this thread will give a same result as OP describing thread. hahaha. you better luck now because staff already answer your question.

[Lauda]

Are the staff have the authority to delete this kind of thread? because i know that you can delete some spammy post. but i don't know about deleting
a nonsense thread.

We can either lock, delete or trash the thread. They are handled on a case-by-case basis and appropriate action is taken (although currently it is lacking in certain sections).

i think this thread will give a same result as OP describing thread. hahaha. you better luck now because staff already answer your question.

That wouldn't surprise me at all. As a general recommendation when starting threads (until the fight against spam improves), I suggest creating self-moderated threads each time.

[jacee]

How do we control the content of the posts when a thread consists of more or less 500 pages already?
I mean, the answers are probably already said in the first pages and of course, a single user cannot read back to know if his answer is already said because of too many pages.

It can't be stopped as long as the threads remain open for anyone to post. The only solution is for the thread starter to lock it.
If you want the redundant answers to continue then you can start by ignoring such threads and stop posting in them. Those threads are spams anyway.

[actmyname]

I mean, the answers are probably already said in the first pages and of course, a single user cannot read back to know if his answer is already said because of too many pages.

A single user cannot read back to know if his answer is already said - it most likely has been said. If you have a thread spanning longer than 20 pages, and you're about to post something general or vague, then that's worthless because it's already been stated countless times before. Especially if the topic title is vague and general. Especially if you only looked at the topic title and worded your reply off that.

Anyone who continues to post in that manner of responding only to the title should be considered a spammer.

There are some rare cases where someone asks a genuine question (not one that's absent-minded and seemingly has substance, but is just spam) to which you may answer. That, I would consider, to be one of the only acceptable times to reply in those spam megathreads.

However, in reality, you should just avoid them entirely.


Let us not forget about those who quote other people's insubstantial posts and pretend to have a discussion, just feeding off each other.

And those who quote and "agree" with other people's posts. "yes i agree, x will definitely y"

[Snorek]

The idea behind huge threads like these is that they are usually created to fuel continuous and never ending discussion.
For example this  Bitcoin's price prediction thread - Wall Observer. There will always possible to add something new everyday.

In addition people are often asking some interesting question in long threads (probably answered already, but nonetheless interesting and important).
I learned some pretty amazing stuff by randomly checking last replies in mega threads - mainly about recent market events etc.

[actmyname]

The idea behind huge threads like these is that they are usually created to fuel continuous and never ending discussion.
For example this  Bitcoin's price prediction thread - Wall Observer. There will always possible to add something new everyday.

In addition people are often asking some interesting question in long threads (probably answered already, but nonetheless interesting and important).
I learned some pretty amazing stuff by randomly checking last replies in mega threads - mainly about recent market events etc.

Perhaps 10% of those threads are actually useful. Here's some that are absolutely not, and are just cesspools for spammers:

Why is gambling so addicting? - page 189
What keeps you coming back??? - page 31
du you spend coins on real life. - page 92
FUCK! The Bitcoin is dead again. This time for sure. - page 27
Will you quit your day job to go full time on bitcoin? - page 278


Find me one constructive post amongst those pages.


Because most, if not all of them, are one-liners. And when they're not, they're vague and general. Occasionally, they ask a fake question (which is again, vague and general) to future spammers to incite a fake discussion.

[Lauda]

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Find me one constructive post amongst those pages.

Because most, if not all of them, are one-liners. And when they're not, they're vague and general. Occasionally, they ask a fake question (which is again, vague and general) to future spammers to incite a fake discussion.

Even in cases in which the posts are constructive, they are probably just rephrased version of what someone has mentioned at least once (or several times) somewhere in the thread. Such threads are pure garbage and similar examples can be found in the Bitcoin Discussion section. One of the causes of this are campaigns such as Fortune Jack:

Minimum Posts: Minimum 30 Posts per Week. IMPORTANT: 25 Posts out of 30 MUST BE MADE IN GAMBLING TOPIC (Any Thread), otherwise payments will not be made.

Until something is done on a global level (starting with these two sections), the forum is going to keep degrading quality wise. This was discussed several times over the years in addition to there being a fresh thread on the last page.

[Arrakeen]

Someone should probably lock this thread, before the responses become redundant 

Seriously though, how can one draw the line in this scenario? Its a tough call, but i agree with everyone here and im sure most of the other posters with half a brain / not just spamming for sig change agree.

[npredtorch]

Someone should probably lock this thread, before the responses become redundant 

Seriously though, how can one draw the line in this scenario? Its a tough call, but i agree with everyone here and im sure most of the other posters with half a brain / not just spamming for sig change agree.

I have a fully developed brain yet I agree too . I'm sure that after locking those threads, it will be miserable for sig spammers to complete their daily quota post. Great for campaign owners, they will pay less and have a better chance to advertise their business on other sections of the forum.

[botany]

There was some action taken by mods in locking such threads, such as those in off-topic section and certain spammy threads.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219336.msg14029604#msg14029604

Maybe we need mods to periodically evaluate reported threads which tend to be spammy, or whose questions have already been answered.

[mammabitcoin2u]

Until something is done on a global level (starting with these two sections), the forum is going to keep degrading quality wise. This was discussed several times over the years in addition to there being a fresh thread on the last page.

Degrading quality wise: it's happening.  Threads reported should be looked at for removal.  I've actually seen the removing happening more now. I hope it continues.

To the Campaign Owners:  Just having/requiring X amount of posts from someone has a negative effect on your business.  I do believe in "guilty by association".  I equate the businesses listed in said signatures as those I will not visit.  I admit, when I was brand spanking new, I looked at Yobit once via google not from any signature. Campaign Owners should be mindful of who they allow.  

For now, I won't join any btc casino and I won't join any btc sportsbook. Which ticks me off because those are what I would really like to do with spare bits  .

[PhilPrime]

Until something is done on a global level (starting with these two sections), the forum is going to keep degrading quality wise. This was discussed several times over the years in addition to there being a fresh thread on the last page.

Degrading quality wise: it's happening.  Threads reported should be looked at for removal.  I've actually seen the removing happening more now. I hope it continues.

To the Campaign Owners:  Just having/requiring X amount of posts from someone has a negative effect on your business.  I do believe in "guilty by association".  I equate the businesses listed in said signatures as those I will not visit.  I admit, when I was brand spanking new, I looked at Yobit once via google not from any signature. Campaign Owners should be mindful of who they allow.  

For now, I won't join any btc casino and I won't join any btc sportsbook. Which ticks me off because those are what I would really like to do with spare bits  .

but we can't deny that signature campaign is a good advertisement disregarding the quality of the content. the most important is the publicity of the site that's why
yobit still continuing their signature campaign even they many basher because of good effect in their site. even the bashers promotes yobit everytime they mention it. and
i think that's a good strategy by yobit. hahaha. i hope the staff must make a rule here for maximum post for a user. to avoid spam.

[botany]

i hope the staff must make a rule here for maximum post for a user. to avoid spam.

That doesn't cut spam - just spreads it out among different accounts.
So that won't work.

[Lauda]

There was some action taken by mods in locking such threads, such as those in off-topic section and certain spammy threads. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219336.msg14029604#msg14029604

That is not enough. If you apply something like that to only a singular section, it will likely backfire (which one could argue that it did).

Maybe we need mods to periodically evaluate reported threads which tend to be spammy, or whose questions have already been answered.

You could go into the Gambling section and Bitcoin Discussion and easily remove 30-40 threads right now (threads that are worthless that is).

Threads reported should be looked at for removal.  I've actually seen the removing happening more now. I hope it continues.

If enforced in several sections at once, there may be an improvement over time.

but we can't deny that signature campaign is a good advertisement disregarding the quality of the content. the most important is the publicity of the site that's why

You could argue that it does more harm than good.

i hope the staff must make a rule here for maximum post for a user. to avoid spam.

That doesn't cut spam - just spreads it out among different accounts.
So that won't work.

Exactly. It possibly even makes it worse. Generally it can be concluded that trying to prevent the sales of accounts or limiting the amount of posts that an user can make (already limited in many campaigns) will not be helpful. This thread should be locked anyways.

[drwtsn32]

One example is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947 --- 432 pages
And this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1220979 --- 386 pages

I know that the second one is like a talk for the whole season or something. So it can be endless.
But the quality as you said becomes degraded as it gets longer. You cannot even say if a post is already said or even copy-pasted from the previous pages.
You would not even know if the OP is still active.

[Lauda]

One example is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947 --- 432 pages

That's not a valid example. Those threads are the primary place for discussion regarding a certain altcoin. It fits into those 'exclusions' that I've mentioned earlier (as does the "Wall Observer" thread).

And this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1220979 --- 386 pages

There are on-going discussions on how to deal it. Whether there's going to be a separate board for Sport discussions, or all of this will be moved to the off-topic section.

I know that the second one is like a talk for the whole season or something. So it can be endless. But the quality as you said becomes degraded as it gets longer.

It quickly turns into endless rephrasing of random predictions just to meet their signature campaign quota.

You cannot even say if a post is already said or even copy-pasted from the previous pages.

Copy-pasting content results in a permanent ban.

You would not even know if the OP is still active.

In this case, we can assume that OP is still active by looking at their profile.

[Jet Cash]

If  a thread gets too big, then I assume it's full of sig spammers, so I just ignore it.

[drwtsn32]

So I'm just gonna ignore spammy threads. Okay.

I'm also in a sign camp and I admit that I'm also trying to reach my quota.
But my answers are worth the read, you know. Of that, I'm sure.

I also reported spammy posts before, I just don't know if they got a permanent ban.