I want to have a serious discussion about BFL

[battmann]

I bought some of their ASIC's a few months ago, and now it seems like it might be one big scam.

I want the facts, I want the skeptics points of view, the supporters points of view, fuck even the morons points of view. Everything.

Should we be trying to get refunds on our purchases? What are you thoughts?

Oh, and to boot, I made this shirt and bought it; so if you like it you can buy it too ^.^

http://skreened.com/bitcoin/bfl-investors

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[MysteryMiner]

I told they are scam many months ago. Few persons believed.

[Mike Christ]

And there's an advertisement for BFL right there   Funny.

I didn't invest, and I don't plan on it, not with all the negativity floating around.  Sorry to those who did--they're having to put up with delays and insults.

[mccoyspace]

They did deliver a FPGA machine, after a short delay. I have a single unit that has been chugging along without trouble. I've paid for the upgrade, so we'll see if that arrives. I didn't have the money for an Avalon. It's interesting that they were able to pull a worki g design together relatively quickly. The fact that there is such a big size and power difference between the Avalon and the BFL unit suggests that BFL's was an ambitious design. That obviously is proving to be a challenge.
I'm still hopeful.

[franky1]

They did deliver a FPGA machine, after a short delay. I have a single unit that has been chugging along without trouble. I've paid for the upgrade, so we'll see if that arrives. I didn't have the money for an Avalon. It's interesting that they were able to pull a worki g design together relatively quickly. The fact that there is such a big size and power difference between the Avalon and the BFL unit suggests that BFL's was an ambitious design. That obviously is proving to be a challenge.
I'm still hopeful.

the FPGA is not really hard work to achieve.

look at Ztex.de.. its all there for anyone to do. and has been available since before BFL even became a corporation paying their $50 to buy the brand name...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40047.0 (august 29th 2011)

so its not like BFL ever done much research, just development costs mostly.

[Shadow383]

I've been trying to get a refund off them for months - do I actually have to sign up to their POS forum to get those dickpistols to pay attention to me?

[cypherdoc]

i requested a refund for my one unit on Sunday via Paypal and got it confirmed on Monday.

[Frizz23]

Read my signature.

[Tamerz]

I have a FPGA single so the ASIC was "only" about $700 down which I put on a credit card. For me, waiting is really the best option. I can't get an ASIC for anywhere near $700 and if BFL folds, I can always do a charge back, especially since I have never done one before.

For me, it is wait and hope for the best.

[Logik]

But.. but.. you didn't hear the latest gospel. There's, um, something coming up!

(10hrs ago)BFL_Nasser (Shoutbox) -  We have something special coming up.  Stay tuned...

(19 hrs ago) Things are going well, I should have a pretty big update tomorrow. I got some stuff now, but I will release it all at once when I have everything together and all the answers people seek.

From https://twitter.com/BFL_News

Maybe they have found the order form for the assembly benches for the testing rig tester, at which point they can bump the testing rig tester tester wafers, so it 4-6 weeks they may have a testing rig for the ICs they haven't tested yet.. [/sarc]

[kjlimo]

My 7 BFL FPGA singles. Have paid for themselves...  took a while for them to show up and they didn't have to wait for the chips to be invented...

I understand the delays, regret not buying just one Avalon but accept my decisions & continue to be on the edge of my seat for my fun payday that I'm still confident will happen...

If you ordered before October, feel free to get a refund.  If you ordered after that, I don't care what you do for now (will be ordering more with freshly mined coins).

At this point, I won't sell a pre-order for less than $10k, but feel free to PM me if you're interested.

[crazyates]

I want the facts, I want the skeptics points of view, the supporters points of view, fuck even the morons points of view. Everything.

Oh, and to boot, I made this shirt and bought it; so if you like it you can buy it too ^.^

LOL clever. Start a thread begging people to start a flame war about BFL, the deadest horse on BCT, and advertise your new shirt, just like THIS THREAD, and THIS ONE.

[SgtMoth]

The bfl haters have been here since the beginning and wont stop, even if bfl delivers tomorrow, theyll be yelling "You Lied, You Lied, the stats arent what you promised!"  Now if you honestly believe that they give a shit if people lose money to a scam, thats your business.  I ordered expecting them to be late, i ordered early and Im patiently waiting.  If i lose my money, thats my risk and nobody fucken business.  Im not going to start countless useless threads demonizing a company.  Who do i trust more?  These guys yelling scam or bfl.  Bfl all the way!  If these guys who are yelling scam, start signing their posts with their actual name, then maybe they would have credibility.

[Frankie Delaney]

I want the facts, I want the skeptics points of view, the supporters points of view, fuck even the morons points of view. Everything.

Oh, and to boot, I made this shirt and bought it; so if you like it you can buy it too ^.^

LOL clever. Start a thread begging people to start a flame war about BFL, the deadest horse on BCT, and advertise your new shirt, just like THIS THREAD, and THIS ONE.

He's a "student of design" and yet he stole his clipart from the first page of google image search.

https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&gs_rn=7&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=W0pPfG8wG9e_cHyR06fu-Q&cp=9&gs_id=3n&xhr=t&q=praying+hands&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.cGE&biw=1752&bih=1395&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&authuser=0&ei=z-NUUfXuIKmajAL8xoHACQ#q=praying%20hands&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&authuser=0&tbm=isch&tbs=simg%3ACAQSEgnXdGPXaCkNWiHquyGEa-Rq9Q&ei=H-RUUYCFDef0iQLurICIAg&ved=0CAYQhxw&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.cGE&fp=9527ce37689b313c&biw=1752&bih=1395

What a piece of shit. BOIL HIM IN OIL!

[battmann]

I want the facts, I want the skeptics points of view, the supporters points of view, fuck even the morons points of view. Everything.

Oh, and to boot, I made this shirt and bought it; so if you like it you can buy it too ^.^

LOL clever. Start a thread begging people to start a flame war about BFL, the deadest horse on BCT, and advertise your new shirt, just like THIS THREAD, and THIS ONE.

He's a "student of design" and yet he stole his clipart from the first page of google image search.

https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&gs_rn=7&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=W0pPfG8wG9e_cHyR06fu-Q&cp=9&gs_id=3n&xhr=t&q=praying+hands&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.cGE&biw=1752&bih=1395&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&authuser=0&ei=z-NUUfXuIKmajAL8xoHACQ#q=praying%20hands&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&authuser=0&tbm=isch&tbs=simg%3ACAQSEgnXdGPXaCkNWiHquyGEa-Rq9Q&ei=H-RUUYCFDef0iQLurICIAg&ved=0CAYQhxw&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.cGE&fp=9527ce37689b313c&biw=1752&bih=1395

What a piece of shit. BOIL HIM IN OIL!

I want the facts, I want the skeptics points of view, the supporters points of view, fuck even the morons points of view. Everything.

Oh, and to boot, I made this shirt and bought it; so if you like it you can buy it too ^.^

LOL clever. Start a thread begging people to start a flame war about BFL, the deadest horse on BCT, and advertise your new shirt, just like THIS THREAD, and THIS ONE.

LOL the clipart was readily available on that T-Shirt site, and I only get $2 commission on each one. I just thought that they were kinda clever and enjoyable and decided to open a "store" and share.

Bash me all you want but I run the daily TwitterGames on getfreebitcoin.com and give away about $1-$2 a day to the newbies. I am such a piece of shit! (I actually am in real life, but I believe in BTC which is why I try to spread the love. It's just about the only thing that truly believe are worth anything in at this point in life. Well that and the MST3K/Rifftrax guys.

Oh, and before you bring up my site; so far I have made $13 on ad clicks (pays for hosting someday, I hope. I want to get off that shitty 'instant' page bs that godaddy offers where you can't even edit the html), and the coinurl bitcoin made goes directly into the TwitterGames/raffles/the peerbet bot 'batman' (btw the trigger phrase is "GadzooksBatman!" and it gives away free satoshi to the peerbetpeeps.

But, yeah, I suck I know.

[battmann]

I want the facts, I want the skeptics points of view, the supporters points of view, fuck even the morons points of view. Everything.

Oh, and to boot, I made this shirt and bought it; so if you like it you can buy it too ^.^

LOL clever. Start a thread begging people to start a flame war about BFL, the deadest horse on BCT, and advertise your new shirt, just like THIS THREAD, and THIS ONE.

He's a "student of design" and yet he stole his clipart from the first page of google image search.

https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&gs_rn=7&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=W0pPfG8wG9e_cHyR06fu-Q&cp=9&gs_id=3n&xhr=t&q=praying+hands&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.cGE&biw=1752&bih=1395&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&authuser=0&ei=z-NUUfXuIKmajAL8xoHACQ#q=praying%20hands&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&authuser=0&tbm=isch&tbs=simg%3ACAQSEgnXdGPXaCkNWiHquyGEa-Rq9Q&ei=H-RUUYCFDef0iQLurICIAg&ved=0CAYQhxw&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.cGE&fp=9527ce37689b313c&biw=1752&bih=1395

What a piece of shit. BOIL HIM IN OIL!

ProTip - go here: http://goo.gl/ it will make you look like less of an ass when you post a URL the size of muh dick nukka!

[bbulker]

1. Buy as many BFL as you can.
2. Say it's a scam all over the forum.
3. Make people scared to buy, more hashing power for yourself.
4.
5. Profit.

Sorry for outing your methods. (You know who you are.)

[battmann]

1. Buy as many BFL as you can.
2. Say it's a scam all over the forum.
3. Make people scared to buy, more hashing power for yourself.
4.
5. Profit.

Sorry for outing your methods. (You know who you are.)

I've been discovered 

[bbulker]

1. Buy as many BFL as you can.
2. Say it's a scam all over the forum.
3. Make people scared to buy, more hashing power for yourself.
4.
5. Profit.

Sorry for outing your methods. (You know who you are.)

I've been discovered 

[smoothie]

OP, if I had any money with BFL, I would request a refund IMMEDIATELY and buy BITCOINS.

BFL is full of shit.

[battmann]

OP, if I had any money with BFL, I would request a refund IMMEDIATELY and buy BITCOINS.

BFL is full of shit.

Eh, Idk i really like the idea of having a Jalapeno...and if they do end up coming out with some i'd be pissed. I'll let it ride and file a paypal dispute, like everyone else will, if they end up trying to fuck everyone.

[smoothie]

OP, if I had any money with BFL, I would request a refund IMMEDIATELY and buy BITCOINS.

BFL is full of shit.

Eh, Idk i really like the idea of having a Jalapeno...and if they do end up coming out with some i'd be pissed. I'll let it ride and file a paypal dispute, like everyone else will, if they end up trying to fuck everyone.

And I would like a yacht of my own with tons of hot models, but in reality that likely wont happen.

But anyways, you wanted my take...that is my take. We'll see how it all pans out.

[battmann]

OP, if I had any money with BFL, I would request a refund IMMEDIATELY and buy BITCOINS.

BFL is full of shit.

Eh, Idk i really like the idea of having a Jalapeno...and if they do end up coming out with some i'd be pissed. I'll let it ride and file a paypal dispute, like everyone else will, if they end up trying to fuck everyone.

And I would like a yacht of my own with tons of hot models, but in reality that likely wont happen.

But anyways, you wanted my take...that is my take. We'll see how it all pans out.

Hey worse comes to worse we egg Brians house! Haha, be all like "take that fucker" and run like mad!

Also this:

[Bogart]

I have a FPGA single so the ASIC was "only" about $700 down which I put on a credit card. For me, waiting is really the best option. I can't get an ASIC for anywhere near $700 and if BFL folds, I can always do a charge back, especially since I have never done one before.

I'll let it ride and file a paypal dispute, like everyone else will, if they end up trying to fuck everyone.

You guys do know that the chargeback window normally closes about 90 days after the purchase is made, right?

[IMakeComps]

Most CC issuers allow chargebacks either 90 days after payment or expected delivery date.

[battmann]

I have a FPGA single so the ASIC was "only" about $700 down which I put on a credit card. For me, waiting is really the best option. I can't get an ASIC for anywhere near $700 and if BFL folds, I can always do a charge back, especially since I have never done one before.

I'll let it ride and file a paypal dispute, like everyone else will, if they end up trying to fuck everyone.

You guys do know that the chargeback window normally closes about 90 days after the purchase is made, right?

Well I ordered mine in the first week of March, so I have some time to be hopeful. I mean if they never deliver then what is PayPal going to do, just say afuckayou? I am being serious, I really don't know.

[Transisto]

How about you start with having a moderated thread.

This isn't going well.

[battmann]

How about you start with having a moderated thread.

This isn't going well.

lolwut

[PulsedMedia]

i Purchased multiple units.
2xLittle SC (upgrade from jalapeno), 2xFPGA Upgrade and 2xSingle SC. That's 300Ghash right there.
First order in july i think, full expecting they will not deliver early on, infact, i was thinking of getting FPGA but knowing they will take 6months to deliver even those, i went for the SCs to get in the early batches.

Yes, i worry sometimes will they deliver or not, but the Risk VS Gain ratio is for myself was so far in the black i decided to go for them, infact, i made 2 purchases during this month. (1*Single SC, 2*FPGA Upgrade)
For offsetting the risk on ASIC i also spent on bASIC and ASICMINER. Was considering Avalon but they looked too scammy, and seeing they have delivery issues as well, and the unit is something i can't definitely operate at home, i'm kinda glad i didn't even attempt to get into batch #1.

When i see more proof i intend to purchase couple more Single SCs, or going for Minirig, partly from the Single SC profits and partly from ASICMINER divs+selling those shares when above 1BTC/Share which i expect to happen within 1½ months. The ASICMINER shares i got, if i sold them right now i could probably purchase already a Minirig, but i'm not really too keen on putting down that kind of money on BFL just yet, i want Single SCs in my hands first.

Also during the summer i will move my mining gear to a datacenter. Secure and climate controlled.
bASIC has yet to refund or even reply to me.

and yes, BFL sometimes worries me, but i try not to stress over it.
In hindsight 20/20 i didn't purchase enough ASICMINER shares early on, should have for higher offset on risks, but ASICMINER is that much opaque i didn't want to really. In the end, that was all that remained from GLBSE fiasco (Gigamining, what a scam). All other shares were a complete loss for me (probs 60BTC+ worth) as i'm yet to see any divs, refunds etc. from any of the other shares.

That's how i tend to roll, if i'm making an investment i want to offset the risk by spreading the whole investment in multiple choices, so if one goes downhill i still have something else and not complete loss. That strategy has well paid off so far, in BTC and IRL investments.

Why choose BFL? The FPGAs are *finished and polished* product, easy to use, just plug it in and let it do it's work. I hate the other FPGA products because you need to purchase power supplies, casings, fans etc. you just can't plug'em in and have them going on. for bASIC i had to order in some power plugs up front etc. and full knowing it's going to be messy setup. I want my setups to be tidy.
Nevermind that BFL's offer is on the better side on power efficiency, thus their lifetime will be longer, therefore profits are bigger, and cooling expenses lower.

I shut down my GPU farm last summer, it was too much work to keep it all stable, messy, noisy and too power hungry. One of my GPU rigs even burned due to bad chinese PCIe connector Plus the final nail was when i blew 3 5850/5870 GPUs within couple of weeks and the replacement cards had severe heat & stability issues (purchased locally 2nd hand from gamers). at once i had 5 fully outfitted GPU rigs running, with total of 16 GPUs running, and 5 GPUs sitting on shelve waiting for me to bother to assemble another one. Today it would be worth to power it all up again tho, and been thinking maybe i should boot them up again until little scs arrive

[BBQKorv]

1. Buy as many BFL as you can.
2. Say it's a scam all over the forum.
3. Make people scared to buy, more hashing power for yourself.
4.
5. Profit.

Sorry for outing your methods. (You know who you are.)

Oh no, my cover is blown.

But in reality, praying might be the most effective way to get BFL ASICs some day.

[deathcode]

serious and BFL in the same sentence? mmmm that's a contradiction!

[Fiyasko]

I want the facts, I want the skeptics points of view, the supporters points of view, fuck even the morons points of view. Everything.

Oh, and to boot, I made this shirt and bought it; so if you like it you can buy it too ^.^

LOL clever. Start a thread begging people to start a flame war about BFL, the deadest horse on BCT, and advertise your new shirt, just like THIS THREAD, and THIS ONE.

This is the best shirt on that site http://skreened.com/bitcoin/block-finder

[battmann]

I want the facts, I want the skeptics points of view, the supporters points of view, fuck even the morons points of view. Everything.

Oh, and to boot, I made this shirt and bought it; so if you like it you can buy it too ^.^

LOL clever. Start a thread begging people to start a flame war about BFL, the deadest horse on BCT, and advertise your new shirt, just like THIS THREAD, and THIS ONE.

This is the best shirt on that site http://skreened.com/bitcoin/block-finder

Thanks, although I like my "I Mine Hard" shirt better than my block finder one.

[battmann]

I want the facts, I want the skeptics points of view, the supporters points of view, fuck even the morons points of view. Everything.

Oh, and to boot, I made this shirt and bought it; so if you like it you can buy it too ^.^

LOL clever. Start a thread begging people to start a flame war about BFL, the deadest horse on BCT, and advertise your new shirt, just like THIS THREAD, and THIS ONE.

This is the best shirt on that site http://skreened.com/bitcoin/block-finder

Put some colored BTC on each cube and I'd buy it.

What color do you want?

[needbmw]

Why choose BFL? The FPGAs are *finished and polished* product, easy to use, just plug it in and let it do it's work.

Their polished "proprietary implementation of both FPGA and ASIC technology" product (which based on sanded Altera chips actually) is awful creature with three fans (one at bottom is really looks strange) and half of these bricks throttles heavy at room temperature.
Looks like you will have same troubles with they next gen devices.

[greyhawk]

The FPGAs are *finished and polished* product, easy to use, just plug it in and let it do it's work.

You should at one point open up one of those "polished" products and have a marvel at the mess of hot glue and velcro inside.

[battmann]

The FPGAs are *finished and polished* product, easy to use, just plug it in and let it do it's work.

You should at one point open up one of those "polished" products and have a marvel at the mess of hot glue and velcro inside.

So if I wanted to buy an FPGA is there one you would recommended?

[NEO2012]

I told they are scam many months ago. Few persons believed.

SEEMS LIKE U WERE RIGHT

ITS JUST THEY ARE ALEBORATE SCAM

AKA THEY USED A FEW MILLLION OUT OF THE 15-25 THEY GOT IN PREODERS

TO BUY  NICE CASES WITH MANY FANS DESIGNED A BOARD

HIRED  SCAM ARTIST INABA JOSH

I MEAN TO REALLY MAKE IT LOOK LEGIT AT EVRY LEVEL

NOT LIKE BASIC  JSUT SEND ME UR MONEY AND IM GONE WITH IT

ANYBODY CAND DO A TURD SCAM LIKE THAT

BUT BFL WENT THE EXTRA MILE

[battmann]

The FPGAs are *finished and polished* product, easy to use, just plug it in and let it do it's work.

You should at one point open up one of those "polished" products and have a marvel at the mess of hot glue and velcro inside.

So if I wanted to buy an FPGA is there one you would recommended?

Talk to Yohan at enterpoint.

Or bid on my auction.  there are a few slow ones up for bids there still going for a bargain price.

Can you link me?

And thank you for help me I appreciate it! If you have a valid BTC related website I will add it to my sites list for free

[NEO2012]

1. Buy as many BFL as you can.
2. Say it's a scam all over the forum.
3. Make people scared to buy, more hashing power for yourself.
4.
5. Profit.

Sorry for outing your methods. (You know who you are.)

lick bfls asss  prove it to them in hope of winning one of there none existing asics prizes


go and blow josh in the steam room  u fruitcake

[battmann]

1. Buy as many BFL as you can.
2. Say it's a scam all over the forum.
3. Make people scared to buy, more hashing power for yourself.
4.
5. Profit.

Sorry for outing your methods. (You know who you are.)

lick bfls asss  prove it to them in hope of winning one of there none existing asics prizes


go and blow josh in the steam room  u fruitcake

Damn kid you got some anger in you

[battmann]

The FPGAs are *finished and polished* product, easy to use, just plug it in and let it do it's work.

You should at one point open up one of those "polished" products and have a marvel at the mess of hot glue and velcro inside.

So if I wanted to buy an FPGA is there one you would recommended?

Talk to Yohan at enterpoint.

Or bid on my auction.  there are a few slow ones up for bids there still going for a bargain price.

Can you link me?

And thank you for help me I appreciate it! If you have a valid BTC related website I will add it to my sites list for free

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159052.0;all

Still selling good boards for 7 BTC plus shipping and escrow, but I'm getting close to sold out.

Thats a bit much for me atm. Plus im in the USA.

[Entropy-uc]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159052.0;all

Still selling good boards for 7 BTC plus shipping and escrow, but I'm getting close to sold out.

Thats a bit much for me atm. Plus im in the USA.

I'm in the US as well.

[battmann]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159052.0;all

Still selling good boards for 7 BTC plus shipping and escrow, but I'm getting close to sold out.

Thats a bit much for me atm. Plus im in the USA.

I'm in the US as well.

Cool lets be friends.

[mrb]

I told they are scam many months ago. Few persons believed.

We don't believe you because you tend to make unbelievable claims. For example you said "ASIC will not be here for a long time" and 3-4 months later Avalon ships hundreds of units!

Be more correct, and then, maybe, we will start believing you