[WTS] Conductive Cu/Ni Fabric - Let's make Faraday cages

[yourstruly]

I may have simple passport cases, wallets and cellphone cases by next week. I will have more more complicated (cuter) bags a while after that, where the conductive fabric is actually hidden between two other non conductive fabrics. Its a little complicated to make it look really good while maintaining the Faraday properties.

Coming soon...
Faraday Wallets
Faraday Passport Cases
Faraday Phone Cases
Faraday Purses

What is conductive fabric?
Conductive fabric is used by hackers and makers to create things. It can be used to create touch screens, Faraday cages, theoretically protect your gadgets from an EMP blast and more.

It is used by law enforcement to collect evidence and prevent criminals from remotely wiping data off their electronics.
It is used by hackers to prevent authorities from locating their phone or snooping over the microphone.
It is used by people concerned with potential danger of EMF to protect themselves.
It is used by criminals to create booster bags.
It is used by privacy advocates to cover their passport and credit cards to prevent reading the RFIDs.

Buy Cu/Ni Conductive Fabric With Ripstop Protection
My conductive fabric is 42.5 inches width by (how many feet you want) length.

7.25$ per foot

Shipping
Free shipping on all orders over 12 feet.
2-11 feet  12$ shipping - fabric is shipped in long cardboard tubes to prevent creasing.
1-2 feet     6$ shipping - fabric is rolled lengthwise to fit in a smaller package.

Escrow
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Ask questions!


This roll is one I actively use to create my gadgets.


Close up of the rip stop protection grid.

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[yourstruly]

How many rolls do you have?

Are you liquidating something at a deal price because you bought too much, or hoping to make a profit reselling?

I'm in a lucky position where I have relatives who make the fabric. I bought a lot from them at a discounted price to make fashionable faraday bags and planned to have enough to also resell to other makers interested in making things with it.

I'm building a website now, actually.

Thanks for asking about my fabric!

[BitMonkey]

Do you have a good link to a list of uses and explanations?

[yourstruly]

How many rolls do you have?

Are you liquidating something at a deal price because you bought too much, or hoping to make a profit reselling?

I'm in a lucky position where I have relatives who make the fabric. I bought a lot from them at a discounted price to make fashionable faraday bags and planned to have enough to also resell to other makers interested in making things with it.

I'm building a website now, actually.

Thanks for asking about my fabric!

I'd be interested in a wallet and passport holder.  How about a cell phone case for a samsung galaxy sIII.

Just spitballing....

These are the exact things I'm working on.

I may have simple passport cases, wallets and cellphone cases by next week. I will have more more complicated (cuter) bags after that, where the fabric is actually on the inside hidden in the fabric. Its a little complicated to make it look really good while maintaining the faraday properties.

The fabric is great for things like passport cases or wallets because it prevents RFID wardriving. And cellphones cases for either the privacy concerned or people worried about persistent exposure to cellphone EMF.

I will try to come up a list of what I'm working on if anyone wants to make preorders.

[yourstruly]

Do you have a good link to a list of uses and explanations?

If you are seriously paranoid, or doing RF emmisions studies, you can take this fabric and staple it to the studs on the ceiling and walls.  Solder the edges, and ground the whole thing.

TaDa!  you now have a RF free zone.  The frequencies blocked are a function of the pitch of the weave - which in this example, is pretty much everything.

Thanks for sharing that info, it's exciting to know that others are interested in this subject too. I can provide more details on the weave if anyone is interested, mHz blocked and resistance details.

[BitMonkey]

You should make a deal with someone to escrow because you have such a short history here.
I will buy 6 feet if a distinguished member with an escrow history holds the money.

[yourstruly]

You should make a deal with someone to escrow because you have such a short history here.
I will buy 6 feet if a distinguished member with an escrow history holds the money.

I agree, I wouldn't like doing transactions without some form escrow service. If you are interested in purchasing and have a preferred escrow service let me know.  

Here are some options,

http://thrucoin.com/help
http://btcrow.com/

[TECSHARE]

Another marketing point you might use for this is it is good to put on the inside wall of your house which faces your smart meter (if you have one), because it is basically a microwave broadcast antenna. Certain individuals have shown sensitivity to this EM radiation. This would redirect it outwards.

I will take 10ft if you are willing to ship first. Please PM me.

[yourstruly]

Another marketing point you might use for this is it is good to put on the inside wall of your house which faces your smart meter (if you have one), because it is basically a microwave broadcast antenna. Certain individuals have shown sensitivity to this EM radiation. This would redirect it outwards.

I will take 10ft if you are willing to ship first. Please PM me.

That is another great suggestion. Thank you for sharing it.

You seem to be an established member, I wouldn't mind shipping first on a small order to build trust. PM sent.

[yourstruly]

Another marketing point you might use for this is it is good to put on the inside wall of your house which faces your smart meter (if you have one), because it is basically a microwave broadcast antenna. Certain individuals have shown sensitivity to this EM radiation. This would redirect it outwards.

I will take 10ft if you are willing to ship first. Please PM me.

That is another great suggestion. Thank you for sharing it.

You seem to be an established member, I wouldn't mind shipping first on a small order to build trust. PM sent.

Order has been packaged and is now ready to ship. It will go out Monday.

Thanks!

[saddambitcoin]

Put me down as interested in purchasing one of your readymade bags when available. 

[yourstruly]

Put me down as interested in purchasing one of your readymade bags when available. 

Great! Are you interested in a cell phone case or passport case or a larger sized bag?

[yourstruly]

Am I missing something here?

If you make a cellphone case then won't the signal be blocked?

The bags I'm working on have two pockets, one is a complete Faraday cage, which does cut off all signals to your mobile, the second is in front of the Faraday cage pocket, which allows you to receive signal but still blocks one side.

So, if you are concerned about privacy, you can keep your mobile in the inner Faraday pocket, when you are concerned about your privacy. Then when you are ready to receive calls leave it in the other outside pocket.

Or for those who are worried about persistent mobile EMF exposure, you can put your mobile in the outside pocket, get signal and still be blocked from the EMF signals.
 
Thank you for the great question.

[yourstruly]

Orders shipped and tracking codes PMd, it would be great if you could report back when they arrive.

[yourstruly]

Found an article related to the topic I wanted to share, about using phones to snoop on passport data:
http://randomoracle.wordpress.com/2012/08/27/reading-the-us-passport-using-an-android-phone-overview/

And if you want to try it out, here is the software:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.mroland.android.apps.nfctaginfo&hl=en

[Cablez]

I would also be interested in bags for passports or phones.

[saddambitcoin]

Put me down as interested in purchasing one of your readymade bags when available. 

Great! Are you interested in a cell phone case or passport case or a larger sized bag?

i think an all-purpose bag would be ideal for my needs, perhaps slightly smaller than a 6 x 11 bank deposit pouch but no larger. 

also interested in your cute items for possible gifts. 

[yourstruly]

I have black and blue fabric incoming to make the basic designs. If you would like another color please let me know I may either be able to special order it, or if there is enough interest get it in bulk.

[TECSHARE]

Orders shipped and tracking codes PMd, it would be great if you could report back when they arrive.

Got my 10ft of fabric today. Everything was in order. Payment sent. Thank you!

[yourstruly]

Orders shipped and tracking codes PMd, it would be great if you could report back when they arrive.

Got my 10ft of fabric today. Everything was in order. Payment sent. Thank you!

Excellent! Pleasure doing business with you, I really appreciate that you were my first customer =)

The simple bags are still in progress. Ill report back with pictures soon as I can.

[DobZombie]

Certain individuals have shown sensitivity to this EM radiation.

Nowhere is there a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal that says anything like this.

I suggest you take some of that fabric you purchased and make yourself an "EM radiation cap of protection."

Also known as one of these...

[yourstruly]

Nowhere is there a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal that says anything like this.

I suggest you take some of that fabric you purchased and make yourself an "EM radiation cap of protection."

First of all that is a terrible terrible show with terrible writing. Americans seem to like the worst sci-fi.

Second there are peer-reveiwed articles that suggest there may be a link between cell phone radiation and cancer. Its very hard to prove links to cancer conclusively due to the nature of cancer.

It would be reckless to just assume this new technology is harmless because of humanities track record of thinking things are harmless and finding out way later they are not. Like Asbestos, lead in gasoline, cigarettes, radium (was even put in condoms at one point), DDT and the list goes on so long I don't have time. Cellphones have been popular for less than two decades, so its hasn't even been long to prove anything conclusively, one way or the other.

If you want to talk about the subject like adults who read scientific articles I would be more than happy too but it looks like you are only interested in trolling my thread, and unforunately for me you aren't very good at it.

[TECSHARE]

Certain individuals have shown sensitivity to this EM radiation.

Nowhere is there a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal that says anything like this.

I suggest you take some of that fabric you purchased and make yourself an "EM radiation cap of protection."

Also known as one of these...

Spoken from a place of true ignorance. Certainly our body driven by electrical impulses sent by the brain can't be effected by electrical fields! That is madness! Do the world a favor and keep your cell phone in your front pocket.

[DobZombie]

Second there are peer-reveiwed articles that suggest there may be a link between cell phone radiation and cancer.

Please link them. I'm serious.  So much FUD on this subject has been spread it has been ingrained into everyone's dictionary of knowledge.

It would be reckless to just assume this new technology is harmless because of humanities track record of thinking things are harmless and finding out way later they are not. lead in gasoline, cigarettes, radium...

Lead in Gasoline was known to cause deleterious affects not long after it's discovery. Like asbestos it was an uphill battle to get it removed from popular products due to political influence etc.

You cannot compare radium and mobiles.  Mobile phones emit Non-ionizing radiation by definition CANNOT cause cancer. Radium emits ionizing radiation, which absoloutly CAN cause cancer.

you are only interested in trolling my thread, and unforunately for me you aren't very good at it.

I am absolutely not trying to troll your thread!

I just hate it when people spread FUD, and un-truths.  I used to believe in so many subjects (conspiracies etc)!  When that moron Jenny McCarthy started spreading stupid information about immunizations I did some research and realised that her misinformation is actually killing people! I've since been a champion for Critical Thinking on subjects such as these. 

I love Faraday cages and the things you can do with them.  I lot of people are concerned with the potential with RFID info being nicked (stolen) from your credit card and I believe it is a genuine concern.
The fabric you are selling is a super awesome material! The many types of items you stated in your OP are really cool and I hope you do really well in your endeavours to sell them!   

First of all that (Tv Show Fringe) is a terrible terrible show with terrible writing. Americans seem to like the worst sci-fi.

THEMS FIGHTIN WORDS! (Fringe is my favourite show, also I'm not an americain!)

 

[TECSHARE]

My suggestion to the OP is not to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

[DobZombie]

Spoken from a place of true ignorance. Certainly our body driven by electrical impulses sent by the brain can't be effected by electrical fields!

The brain can be affected by magnetic fields, but you said people can be affected by EM radiation, which IS untrue.  You should brush up on your physics.

Do the world a favor and keep your cell phone in your front pocket.

You know what's funny? I had a fertility test a few weeks ago, and I'm more virile now than I was when I had the test 10 years ago when I was 20!

and I've always kept my mobile in my front pocket!!

 

TECSHARE : Just because you say it is, doesn't make it true. That will be the last I say on the subject and I will let the OP get back to selling this amazing material and I wish him good luck in his selling endeavours.

[EtherDais]

Can you try to confirm that NFC tags cannot be read through your material?  It might be nice to have a little bag for something like this:  https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/20291-3d-printed-nfc-enabled-bitcoin-simulacra

[yourstruly]

Can you try to confirm that NFC tags cannot be read through your material?  It might be nice to have a little bag for something like this:  https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/20291-3d-printed-nfc-enabled-bitcoin-simulacra

It will definitely block NFC which is usually around 13.56MH, the fabric should block that with about 80-90 dbi resistance, which should be more than enough to block signals. You could also double layer it for more protection too.

Thank you for your great question. Ill look into what it would take to make bags for that.

[yourstruly]

I am working on some bag designs this weekend. I will report back with results soon as I can.

[yourstruly]

I made some good prototypes but I want to remake them with better fabric. I'm waiting for that to come in the mail. When those are made I will have picture and start taking orders.

[EtherDais]

I wouldn't mind ordering some myself perhaps.  Do PM me when your new stuff comes in. 

Best,
-ED

[yourstruly]

I wouldn't mind ordering some myself perhaps.  Do PM me when your new stuff comes in. 

Best,
-ED

Are you referring to bags when you say new stuff? I have plenty of fabric if you are interested in that - but I still working all the prototypes for my bags and I have a full time job as well so it may be another week.

[EtherDais]

I made some good prototypes but I want to remake them with better fabric. I'm waiting for that to come in the mail. When those are made I will have picture and start taking orders.

You referred to 'better fabric', which was the 'new stuff' I was talking about. 

[yourstruly]

I made some good prototypes but I want to remake them with better fabric. I'm waiting for that to come in the mail. When those are made I will have picture and start taking orders.

You referred to 'better fabric', which was the 'new stuff' I was talking about. 

Oh I apologize, I should have been more clear.

 I have been making my prototypes with scraps so they don't look good, but it works for testing my designs to see if they block signals as expected. I use the same conductive fabric I sell, and have no plans to use different conductive fabric. By better fabric I meant I'm buying rolls of regular non-conductive fabric to make looking bags instead of using scrap fabric.

[TECSHARE]

I'll just leave this here:
IARC CLASSIFIES RADIOFREQUENCY ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS ASPOSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC TO HUMANS
www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2011/pdfs/pr208_E.pdf

[Cablez]

I take it there was a setback in your designs? 

[kderaymond]

I'd be interested to see what you came up with as well.

[grue]

I'll just leave this here:
IARC CLASSIFIES RADIOFREQUENCY ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS ASPOSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC TO HUMANS
www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2011/pdfs/pr208_E.pdf

context: other substances classified as "possibly carcinogenic" http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Classification/ClassificationsGroupOrder.pdf

notable mentions:
Caffeic acid (found in coffee)
Acetaldehyde (occurs naturally in coffee, bread, and ripe fruit)
Bitumens (Asphalt)
"Carpentry and joinery" (whatever that means)
Cobalt and cobalt compounds
Coffee
Nickel, metallic and alloys

you better be scared!

[TECSHARE]

I'll just leave this here:
IARC CLASSIFIES RADIOFREQUENCY ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS ASPOSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC TO HUMANS
www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2011/pdfs/pr208_E.pdf

context: other substances classified as "possibly carcinogenic" http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Classification/ClassificationsGroupOrder.pdf

notable mentions:
Caffeic acid (found in coffee)
Acetaldehyde (occurs naturally in coffee, bread, and ripe fruit)
Bitumens (Asphalt)
"Carpentry and joinery" (whatever that means)
Cobalt and cobalt compounds
Coffee
Nickel, metallic and alloys

you better be scared!

Oooor like a rational human being with self preservation instincts you could just limit your exposure. Not everything is a conspiracy to sell crap.

[grue]

Oooor like a rational human being with self preservation instincts you could just limit your exposure. Not everything is a conspiracy to sell crap.

My point was that there are other things more mundane that are classified as "POSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC".

[TECSHARE]

Oooor like a rational human being with self preservation instincts you could just limit your exposure. Not everything is a conspiracy to sell crap.

My point was that there are other things more mundane that are classified as "POSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC".

...and that proves that EM radiation is not possibly carcinogenic how exactly?

[grue]

My point was that there are other things more mundane that are classified as "POSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC".

...and that proves that EM radiation is not possibly carcinogenic how exactly?

That wasn't my claim. Quit strawmaning. My claim is that to be consistent, you should avoid nickel and rippened fruits as well, since they are also "possibly carcinogenic".

[TECSHARE]

My point was that there are other things more mundane that are classified as "POSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC".

...and that proves that EM radiation is not possibly carcinogenic how exactly?

That wasn't my claim. Quit strawmaning. My claim is that to be consistent, you should avoid nickel and rippened fruits as well, since they are also "possibly carcinogenic".

You bring up unrelated subjects and I am using a strawman? Refractory much?

[grue]

That wasn't my claim. Quit strawmaning. My claim is that to be consistent, you should avoid nickel and rippened fruits as well, since they are also "possibly carcinogenic".

You bring up unrelated subjects and I am using a strawman? Refractory much?

How is that unrelated? I'm trying to show how absurd your logic is.

[TECSHARE]

I'll just leave this here:
IARC CLASSIFIES RADIOFREQUENCY ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS ASPOSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC TO HUMANS
www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2011/pdfs/pr208_E.pdf

context: other substances classified as "possibly carcinogenic" http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Classification/ClassificationsGroupOrder.pdf

notable mentions:
Caffeic acid (found in coffee)
Acetaldehyde (occurs naturally in coffee, bread, and ripe fruit)
Bitumens (Asphalt)
"Carpentry and joinery" (whatever that means)
Cobalt and cobalt compounds
Coffee
Nickel, metallic and alloys

you better be scared!

All of those substances have nothing to do with EM waves, therefore unrelated. If you would like to prove my absurd logic, print a picture of my avatar and glue it to your face, then go argue in a mirror - you'll get nothing but absurd arguments (likely found via a 10 second Google search without any actual understanding).

[grue]

I'll just leave this here:
IARC CLASSIFIES RADIOFREQUENCY ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS ASPOSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC TO HUMANS
www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2011/pdfs/pr208_E.pdf

context: other substances classified as "possibly carcinogenic" http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Classification/ClassificationsGroupOrder.pdf

notable mentions:
Caffeic acid (found in coffee)
Acetaldehyde (occurs naturally in coffee, bread, and ripe fruit)
Bitumens (Asphalt)
"Carpentry and joinery" (whatever that means)
Cobalt and cobalt compounds
Coffee
Nickel, metallic and alloys

you better be scared!

All of those substances have nothing to do with EM waves, therefore unrelated. If you would like to prove my absurd logic, print a picture of my avatar and glue it to your face, then go argue in a mirror - you'll get nothing but absurd arguments (likely found via a 10 second Google search without any actual understanding).

Again, my argument is not on whether or not cell phone radiation is harmful, because the evidence on that is inconclusive at best. I am questioning your actions to avoid EM radiation on the basis that it's on the list of "POSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC" substances. If you think this is not your argument, stop reading now, and post a reply clarifying your reasons for avoiding EM radiation.

Every rational human acts consistently. If you're avoiding EM radiation because some agency put it on some list, you should, therefore, avoid other items on the list too. Otherwise, you are being inconsistent, and therefore, irrational. This is what I'm interpreting from your reference to iarc.fr. Again, if this isn't your reason, stop reading now, and post what your argument is. To act consistently, one must act in a similar manner when faced with a similar situation. The situation in question is other substances being on the class 2b of possibly carcinogenic substances. If your basis for avoiding EM radiation is because of its presence on the list, to act consistently, you must avoid other items on the same list. Otherwise, you're making an exception to yourself, and therefore, are not acting rationally. Now, I listed a few mundane things that are in the same class of substances as EM radiation. The technique I'm using is Reductio ad absurdum. Of course it's absurd trying to avoid coffee, or ripened fruits, but this is what your logic is implying, and that is the reason why it's wrong.

[yourstruly]

Hey, been super busy with my work but I'm back if anyone wants to get some conductive fabric for their own projects.

I did finish bag designs but just didn't have time to produce more of them for sale because of my lab work. That position is ending soon so I will soon be able to do this full time while I apply for grad school. Help pay for my graduate school applications and test prep materials by buying conductive fabric.

Grue you are making assumptions without scientific backing because it would be impossible to have any considering how new the technology is. No one can say for certain yet if the technology is dangerous, but it would ignoring history to assume its safe because its useful.

Unless you are a physicist who studies this subject you are being a troll by harassing people in this thread who want to know more about the fabric and not your opinion.

[OgNasty]

If I were to line an entire room with this material, would it realistically protect the contents from an EMP blast, or would multiple holes (as large as 6" diameter) in the room for ventilation and electrical compromise it's effect?

[yourstruly]

With my experience making bags, the seemingly small holes do make a difference.

So I think you are right the ventilation and such would be a major issue still. The material is only somewhat breathable. It would still weaken the signal even if there are holes though. Another possibility would be to line a box and put items in the box you would like to be protected.

I'm not really well read on EMP, so this is just my best guess. If you are interested we can try to determine what frequencies you would need to block and see if this material could actually block those signals. If it does not we could determine the type of material you would need.

[yourstruly]

I was looking around and there are some people selling conductive fabric claiming you can cover an entire room but I'm still skeptical. It would definitely significantly reduce the signal strength but I'm not sure you could create a complete faraday cage.

[yourstruly]

Bump because I dropped the price 60 cents a foot.

[TECSHARE]

If I were to line an entire room with this material, would it realistically protect the contents from an EMP blast, or would multiple holes (as large as 6" diameter) in the room for ventilation and electrical compromise it's effect?

Real EMP shielded rooms don't have any outside wires or openings. In fact EMP "proof" containers are basically a metal box suspended within another metal box with an insulator in between. A sufficiently strong EMP wave can follow any incoming wire or get in any unshielded opening. While such a room as you describe would reduce the effect of an EMP, I wouldn't count on it stopping it completely, but it might save some stuff depending on where it came from, opening size and position, strength, etc. You would be better off building small boxes for electronic components if that was your goal.

[yourstruly]

Thank you for contributing that information, I don't know much about EMP's but it is definitely an interesting subject.

[grue]

Grue you are making assumptions without scientific backing because it would be impossible to have any considering how new the technology is.

But I do. EM radiation emitted by cellphones are non-ionizing, and therefore does not have the energy required to damage DNA. Furthermore, the heating effect of of cellphones is non existent because it operates at such low levels. Radiant heat from the sun will heat your head faster. Also, cell phone technology is not new at all. It uses radio, which was discovered in the early 20th century. Cellphones are merely an application of an old technology. If you would please, can you present any scientific backing to your fears?

No one can say for certain yet if the technology is dangerous

But that's just FUD. Why aren't you afraid of all the other "possibly carcinogenic" substances like coffee, pickled vegetables, carbon black, talcum powder, or nickel?

but it would ignoring history to assume its safe because its useful.

I never claimed this, and therefore that is a strawman.

Unless you are a physicist who studies this subject you are being a troll by harassing people in this thread who want to know more about the fabric and not your opinion.

ad hominem pls go


also, since i'm in the mood, i'll mow down all your other uses as well

It is used by law enforcement to collect evidence and prevent criminals from remotely wiping data off their electronics.

[citation needed]

It is used by hackers to prevent authorities from locating their phone or snooping over the microphone.

or you can, just take out the battery. bonus: it costs $0

It is used by privacy advocates to cover their passport and credit cards to prevent reading the RFIDs.

What country do you live in? My recently renewed passport only has a magnetic stripe, no RFIDs.

[yourstruly]

But I do. EM radiation emitted by cellphones are non-ionizing, and therefore does not have the energy required to damage DNA. Furthermore, the heating effect of of cellphones is non existent because it operates at such low levels.

Clearly you do not follow peer reviewed scientific articles on the subject, because despite these facts we have found increased cancer rates in many different cases. You say these things like you are certain which clearly shows you aren't a scientist, because scientist don't talk in absolutes about new technology. Proving something causes cancer is incredibly difficult, and we can't say anything for certain until after the fact.

But that's just FUD. Why aren't you afraid of all the other "possibly carcinogenic" substances like coffee, pickled vegetables, carbon black, talcum powder, or nickel?

But it is not, it is me a scientist, reading peer reviewed articles on the subject which have indicated both that it may and may not be carcinogenic and so I remain skeptical. If anything this is you having a religious level of faith in the fact that the current science is a perfect picture of the universe, which is an absurd position.

Pointing out other seemingly mundane things that may be carcinogenic has nothing to do with the discussion, so I'm just going to ignore that red herring.

You over using memes that don't really apply.

I never claimed this, and therefore that is a strawman.

It is not a strawman, perhaps you should read more about what a strawman argument because it is often misused.

You are basically making the claim that we have a perfect understanding of all the fields being generated by cellphones and know the full consequences of it. There is no other reason to believe this other than the fact that is it useful, unless you can provide a reason you believe it despite no scientific backing, that doesn't just amount to faith.

We haven't had enough time to prove anything yet, so having certain belief in anything related to cell phone radiation would be silly. And history serves to prove this correct over and over.

ad hominem pls go

Again, you may want to retake that critical thinking class you took in college because that is not an ad-hominem attack. If anything you could argue it was an appeal to authority because I was making the claim you should have been educated in the subject before sharing your opinion.

It was certainly not an ad-hominem, so your hubris about telling me to go is almost comical. I did not attack you, I pointed out your shallow arguments, then said I would more interested if you were actually an authority of the subject.

But really I don't really care what your uninformed opinion is on the subject, your time would be better used actually studying the subject instead of wasting that time sharing your opinion about it. No one really cares about your uninformed opinion about random subjects you never bothered to study in detail, most people want the specs on the material because it does have practical uses despite what you believe.

also, since i'm in the mood, i'll mow down all your other uses as well

Well thanks for cherry picking the ones you found easy to attack and ignoring all the other practical uses to make your argument seem stronger, nice tactic.

[citation needed]

Or you can stop being so fucking lazy and do a google search. Seriously this is what is so frustrating, is you waste time trolling people in my thread with your uninformed opinions when you could have spent that time fucking looking it up. Its one thing if you actually educate yourself before coming in and having a disagreement but being willfully ignorant and full of hubris just makes you look like an ass.  

http://www.jemic.com/faraday-bags.html

Nice job "mowing" that one down.

or you can, just take out the battery. bonus: it costs $0

Fair point, but that is a bit more of a hassle than slipping it into and out of a bag.

Again nice job "mowing" that one down. Must have been in debate club with these epic debate skills.

What country do you live in? My recently renewed passport only has a magnetic stripe, no RFIDs.

Again seriously can't you just do a fucking google search before puffing up your chest and pulling out your e-dick? http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_2788.html

Also that was an example, since rfid's are very useful they will be in more things. So this material may find more creative uses.

And again amazing work "mowing" that one down.

tl/dr: Retake that critical thinking class, stop acting like an superior asshole about subjects you didn't bother to research and stop trolling my thread

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Clearly you do not follow peer reviewed scientific articles on the subject, because despite these facts we have found increased cancer rates in many different cases.

You should post them.

Usually people afraid of "EMF" and the like are crackpots or ill informed.

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Oh boy, we got a "critical thinker" in here who knows how to use "ad hominem" and "red herring". on with the argument...

But I do. EM radiation emitted by cellphones are non-ionizing, and therefore does not have the energy required to damage DNA. Furthermore, the heating effect of of cellphones is non existent because it operates at such low levels.

Clearly you do not follow peer reviewed scientific articles on the subject, because despite these facts we have found increased cancer rates in many different cases. You say these things like you are certain which clearly shows you aren't a scientist, because scientist don't talk in absolutes about new technology. Proving something causes cancer is incredibly difficult, and we can't say anything for certain until after the fact.

Let me ask you 2 simple questions:
Where are the "peer reviewed scientific articles" that support your conclusion?
What sort of evidence do you need for you to conclude that cellphone radiation is not dangerous?

But that's just FUD. Why aren't you afraid of all the other "possibly carcinogenic" substances like coffee, pickled vegetables, carbon black, talcum powder, or nickel?

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You over using memes that don't really apply.

these are memes: http://reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/
this is not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

I never claimed this, and therefore that is a strawman.

It is not a strawman, perhaps you should read more about what a strawman argument because it is often misused.

You are basically making the claim that we have a perfect understanding of all the fields being generated by cellphones and know the full consequences of it. There is no other reason to believe this other than the fact that is it useful, unless you can provide a reason you believe it despite no scientific backing, that doesn't just amount to faith.

We haven't had enough time to prove anything yet, so having certain belief in anything related to cell phone radiation would be silly. And history serves to prove this correct over and over.

But nothing in science is absolute. The best model we have of radiation is that non ionizing radiation can't damage DNA. Unless you have a better model, are you going to go on a crusade against wireless technology because it's not absolutely safe?

Well thanks for cherry picking the ones you found easy to attack and ignoring all the other practical uses to make your argument seem stronger, nice tactic.

Selectively disproving some of your uses is cherrypicking? LOL. Those were the only ones I found problems with. Surely there's wrong with only disproving the ones that are wrong?

What country do you live in? My recently renewed passport only has a magnetic stripe, no RFIDs.

Again seriously can't you just do a fucking google search before puffing up your chest and pulling out your e-dick? http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_2788.html

Also that was an example, since rfid's are very useful they will be in more things. So this material may find more creative uses.

And again amazing work "mowing" that one down.

I was merely asking for additional evidence, which is what you also did. now stop accusing me of "pulling out your e-dick", faggot.

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Don't waste too much energy on Grue. He is a well known OCD basement dwelling classified add troll whos life consists of doing pretty much this, in hundreds if not thousands of marketplace ads over and over for years on end. I think he might actually need psychological help to be perfectly honest, maybe medication, or just a life.

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Clearly you do not follow peer reviewed scientific articles on the subject, because despite these facts we have found increased cancer rates in many different cases.

You should post them.

Usually people afraid of "EMF" and the like are crackpots or ill informed.

My sources aren't websites they are journal articles, I can refer you to specific articles but I can't realistically link you to them or post them. Thank our overly private peer reviewed journal system.

Check out the recent WHO working group on the subject, the articles being generated from that group are interesting.

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34 Scientific Studies Showing Adverse Health Effects From Wi-Fi www.wifiinschools.org.uk/30.html

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Subjective symptoms related to GSM radiation from mobile phone base stations: a cross-sectional study http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/12/e003836.full