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[Xiaoxiao]

There is still a delay in last week's statistics for the majority of players and I don't want to send out rakeback and have it not be correct.  Expect all stats to come in before Monday 11 PM EST.  Those that have already received rakeback for the period of 11/21 - 11/27 may receive an additional transfer if there is additional stats for them for that period.  Thanks a lot and apologies for the inconveniences.  Betcoin is going through a lot of changes and updates for the better!

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[Xiaoxiao]

Jackpot Poker has arrived!  With 58%+ rakeback, this is the best shorthanded SNG in all of online poker!

[Xiaoxiao]

Jackpot Poker has arrived!  With 58%+ rakeback, this is the best shorthanded SNG in all of online poker!

According to some of the players, there seems to be an issue with Jackpot Poker that is not starting the games when adequate players have registered, which may be the reason why some people have waited hours and not have games start.  Staff is looking into this. 

[TwitchySeal]

Jackpot Poker has arrived!  With 58%+ rakeback, this is the best shorthanded SNG in all of online poker!

According to some of the players, there seems to be an issue with Jackpot Poker that is not starting the games when adequate players have registered, which may be the reason why some people have waited hours and not have games start.  Staff is looking into this. 

Where are your hundreds of rakeback pros?

[Xiaoxiao]

The OSS has begun.  Get in at Betcoin Poker by going to BetcoinRakeback.com and get the BEST rakeback in all of online poker!

[Xiaoxiao]

VIP rakeback has been updating since the Tuesday update according to support/staff.  Just to let everyone know everything is under control.  Thanks and take care!

[Nubitcoinerr]

Xiao you might want to delete Twitchy's post above, he changed your hyperlink to something like "youranidiot.org" or something. Also can you check your email please, thanks man!

[Xiaoxiao]

Xiao you might want to delete Twitchy's post above, he changed your hyperlink to something like "youranidiot.org" or something. Also can you check your email please, thanks man!

It's okay, he has the right to do that.  However him giving me ultimatums "stop promoting BetcoinRakeback and I'll stop annoying you" is not cool.

[Xiaoxiao]

IP Whitelisting Added to Betcoin Platform

We have added IP whitelisting in order to make your account and experience more secure at Betcoin.ag. The first time you login you will be prompted to confirm your IP address in your email. Once this is confirmed it will be whitelisted. Each time you log in from a new IP address, you will be asked to confirm and whitelist the new IP with a confirmation email that is sent to your email address on file. This process follows a similar process when you confirm a withdrawal.

You can bypass this process by enabling 2FA on your account. Please report any bugs or feedback that you may have. We want to ensure that your account is secure at all times. Thank you.

[yhlsqj]

Besides the unbelievable poker environment and rewards offered by Betcoin via BetcoinRakeback.com, Betcoin also offers the best odds in all of bitcoin sports, if not all of sports!.

For example:

Betcoin offers nearly 2-10% better odds than most sports books!

Not really, I mainly bet on both betcoin and nitrogen, I find nitrogen has 95% odds better than betcoin, you just showed a rare example, I like betcoin, but their sports odds are not high enough, hope they will increase them.

[Xiaoxiao]

Besides the unbelievable poker environment and rewards offered by Betcoin via BetcoinRakeback.com, Betcoin also offers the best odds in all of bitcoin sports, if not all of sports!.

For example:

Betcoin offers nearly 2-10% better odds than most sports books!

Not really, I mainly bet on both betcoin and nitrogen, I find nitrogen has 95% odds better than betcoin, you just showed a rare example, I like betcoin, but their sports odds are not high enough, hope they will increase them.

Please browse through the major sports markets for USA: Football, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey.  Based on my observations the last few years, Betcoin has almost always had 2%+ better odds than other books.  I'm not sure about the smaller markets like South Asian table tennis, etc.  I'm not going to make this up when it's available for everyone to see with a click of a button.

[Xiaoxiao]

The OSS Continues and keep in mind the finale is the Sunday $1 million guaranteed!

[Wh0CaR3s]

Regarding the issue of potential botter(s) I'll get to the rest of your post tomorrow because I've got to wake up early in the morning.  Take care!

One month later, any more thoughts you want to add on the subject ?
Did you even tackle the subject with Betcoin mgmt ?

Also many people have inquired about Table Starter Rakeback.  The answer is that it is NOT going away.  It's simply being reconstructed and Betcoin will continue to be the best poker environment in all of online poker!

That's not at all what Andrew said on the subject.

There is not a time table for the return of the table starter rakeback at this time, however when it does it will be during certain hours and for certain VIP levels as a bonus. We will keep you updated. Ring game traffic has been great and we are very thankful to our great players for that. Good luck everyone!

https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-table-starter-maintenance
They have no plan to bring it back. And even if some day they do, that would only be limited in time and only some players could benefit from it.

Time to change your OP title, you no longer can offer up to 133%RB to your players.

For the players who are ready to play HU and create action, they are just left with having to pay a ridic rake (2x CAP compares to industry std, for those who plays high enough that means up to a 2x rake - even your RB + VIP do not make it up for it) and anyway most of the time nobody wants to play you.

When you finally manage to create action on a table, a BOT might join. If like me you refuse to play it, well then you would need to wait again that someones wants to start a new table with you.

In a nutshell, you spend your time waiting without playing.

But I guess Betcoin is ok with the situation, they don't have to pay for TSR anymore and since they don't intend to do anything against the BOTs they still have them to fill the tables - without them asking for anything - during CET time which is the deadtime for US players.

I thought it was more likely to be sheer incompetence, at this point I'm starting to think it is at least a guilty silence.

[Xiaoxiao]

There is a slight delay in rakeback stats for the week of 12/5 - 12/11.  If you've already received a transfer and you believe it's off, you'll most likely receive an additional transfer in the coming days.

Regarding the issue of potential botter(s) I'll get to the rest of your post tomorrow because I've got to wake up early in the morning.  Take care!

One month later, any more thoughts you want to add on the subject ?
Did you even tackle the subject with Betcoin mgmt ?

Also many people have inquired about Table Starter Rakeback.  The answer is that it is NOT going away.  It's simply being reconstructed and Betcoin will continue to be the best poker environment in all of online poker!

That's not at all what Andrew said on the subject.

There is not a time table for the return of the table starter rakeback at this time, however when it does it will be during certain hours and for certain VIP levels as a bonus. We will keep you updated. Ring game traffic has been great and we are very thankful to our great players for that. Good luck everyone!

https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-table-starter-maintenance
They have no plan to bring it back. And even if some day they do, that would only be limited in time and only some players could benefit from it.

Time to change your OP title, you no longer can offer up to 133%RB to your players.

For the players who are ready to play HU and create action, they are just left with having to pay a ridic rake (2x CAP compares to industry std, for those who plays high enough that means up to a 2x rake - even your RB + VIP do not make it up for it) and anyway most of the time nobody wants to play you.

When you finally manage to create action on a table, a BOT might join. If like me you refuse to play it, well then you would need to wait again that someones wants to start a new table with you.

In a nutshell, you spend your time waiting without playing.

But I guess Betcoin is ok with the situation, they don't have to pay for TSR anymore and since they don't intend to do anything against the BOTs they still have them to fill the tables - without them asking for anything - during CET time which is the deadtime for US players.

I thought it was more likely to be sheer incompetence, at this point I'm starting to think it is at least a guilty silence.

Hi WhoCares,

The problem with your analysis of bots (the 2 players you mentioned in question) is that you only have about 200-300 hand sample.  Do you expect a site to ban a player because of your minute sample size and your gut instincts?

Regarding Table Starter Rakeback, sure there isn't a time table of when it'll be back, but the answer is that it will be back, inevitably.  The reason there isn't a time table is because the specs of TBSR is still being worked on and debated.  Andrew's answer wasn't set in stone.  The site has just updated to a new platform and many things are pending, from promo's to backend, etc.

[Wh0CaR3s]

Hi WhoCares,

The problem with your analysis of bots (the 2 players you mentioned in question) is that you only have about 200-300 hand sample.  Do you expect a site to ban a player because of your minute sample size and your gut instincts?

I already explained myself here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1612688.msg16874992#msg16874992
And it has nothing to do with "gut instincts". But you can choose to believe I am FOS like you’re hinting I am.

As for what I expected from Betcoin is that they actually used their DB to confirm what I already knew was true.
If they thought I was FOS like you think I am, they would have told me outright. They did not. At all.

But when after 2 months, Andrew was still telling me that they were on the case and they were still compiling DATA… well, that is pure BS.
It doesn’t take months to put up all the hands you have on a player and do a security check on a suspected account. Especially when you already know what you’re looking for.
Or that speaks volume about the Betcoin “security department”.

And that’s the core of the problem. It’s either they are incompetent or that they choose not to do anything against these BOTs because all that they can see it’s them filling up tables.

We’re talking about a site, Betcoin, which used house BOTs to fill their tables during months after they launched. Those house BOTs were operated by “Gadhafi” the former owner of the scam site SatoshiPoker [Source: “Ghadafi” himself as he talked openly about it in chat, multiple times].

Giving this track record, thinking that Betcoin elects to do nothing against these new BOTs is not far-fetched…

Regarding Table Starter Rakeback, sure there isn't a time table of when it'll be back, but the answer is that it will be back, inevitably.  The reason there isn't a time table is because the specs of TBSR is still being worked on and debated.  Andrew's answer wasn't set in stone.  The site has just updated to a new platform and many things are pending, from promo's to backend, etc.

Is that your “gut instincts” ?

Facts:
•It’s been 6 weeks TSRB has disappeared
•According to Andrew there is no timetable for it to come back

Consequence: At this time, your OP title is false advertisement.

[Xiaoxiao]

Hi WhoCares,

The problem with your analysis of bots (the 2 players you mentioned in question) is that you only have about 200-300 hand sample.  Do you expect a site to ban a player because of your minute sample size and your gut instincts?

I already explained myself here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1612688.msg16874992#msg16874992
And it has nothing to do with "gut instincts". But you can choose to believe I am FOS like you’re hinting I am.

As for what I expected from Betcoin is that they actually used their DB to confirm what I already knew was true.
If they thought I was FOS like you think I am, they would have told me outright. They did not. At all.

But when after 2 months, Andrew was still telling me that they were on the case and they were still compiling DATA… well, that is pure BS.
It doesn’t take months to put up all the hands you have on a player and do a security check on a suspected account. Especially when you already know what you’re looking for.
Or that speaks volume about the Betcoin “security department”.

And that’s the core of the problem. It’s either they are incompetent or that they choose not to do anything against these BOTs because all that they can see it’s them filling up tables.

We’re talking about a site, Betcoin, which used house BOTs to fill their tables during months after they launched. Those house BOTs were operated by “Gadhafi” the former owner of the scam site SatoshiPoker [Source: “Ghadafi” himself as he talked openly about it in chat, multiple times].

Giving this track record, thinking that Betcoin elects to do nothing against these new BOTs is not far-fetched…

Regarding Table Starter Rakeback, sure there isn't a time table of when it'll be back, but the answer is that it will be back, inevitably.  The reason there isn't a time table is because the specs of TBSR is still being worked on and debated.  Andrew's answer wasn't set in stone.  The site has just updated to a new platform and many things are pending, from promo's to backend, etc.

Is that your “gut instincts” ?

Facts:
•It’s been 6 weeks TSRB has disappeared
•According to Andrew there is no timetable for it to come back

Consequence: At this time, your OP title is false advertisement.

WhoCares, I'm not hinting that you're FOS.  All I'm saying is that the sample size that you presented isn't enough evidence to ban the player(s) in question.  

All Andrew is saying is that there isn't an exact date in mind for the return of TBSR.  Notice immediately afterwards he says "when" it returns, that it will be changed, but didn't give exact details.  He never said "if" it returns.  So I'm certainly not going by "gut instincts".

Thank you for reminding me that one is no longer able to get up to 133% rakeback.  I've changed the title so that no one will get misled.

Anyway, back to discussing the botting issue.  If I were to place a bet on whether the players you presented were actually bots, I would just flip a coin.  I understand that botting is a real issue in online poker today, and I'm not undermining your expertise/analysis, but when it comes to banning/confiscating one's funds, there just needs to be more evidence, otherwise it becomes a slippery slope.

Finally, I must say that what you're doing is very honorable, because you want a great poker environment for everyone, and we're on the same page with that.  I'd like you to continue doing your analysis, and please present to me any new data and findings.

[Xiaoxiao]

Tomorrow is Million Dollar Sunday, there are many ways to get in via satellites!

Jackpot poker is live and also being looked at to make sure it is starting EVERY time 3 people are registered.

Also please don't panic if the system has ever skipped your VIP rakeback.  It happens from time to time but a simple ticket or message to live support will get you credited immediately.  The Betcoin platform, as you know, is a very comprehensive and complicated platform, AND it is also very new, so things are being enhanced all the time, and bugs can happen when dealing with a multi-faceted platform.

[Xiaoxiao]

Congratulations to all those that participated in the OSS.  There were some humongous wins by Betcoin players!


Don't forget about some exciting features:

-Overlays everyday in the the Daily Coin!

-mBTC only Jackpot Poker

-Many freerolls

-And as always 58%+ starting rakeback when you sign up with BetcoinRakeback.com!

[Xiaoxiao]

There will be a temporary delay in rakeback this week due to update of stats.  If your rakeback is short, you will receive an additional transfer as extra data comes in.  Apologies for the inconvenience as the Betcoin platform is constantly being improved and fine-tuned.  Thanks and take care!

[Xiaoxiao]

There will be a temporary delay in rakeback this week due to update of stats.  If your rakeback is short, you will receive an additional transfer as extra data comes in.  Apologies for the inconvenience as the Betcoin platform is constantly being improved and fine-tuned.  Thanks and take care!

Apologies everyone; there is still a delay in stats for the week of 12/12 - 12/18 and 12/19 - 12/25 for a decent amount of players.  It will be resolved before the end of this week, because the system is being enhanced and fortified.  You will receive an additional transfer if your 33% RB was short.  Thanks for your patience and take care!