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September 19, 2016, 10:10:27 AM
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Great, you quoted that atrocious public blog.

Here is the full story
https://decentralize.today/monero-had-the-same-bug-as-shadow-33a86ddeac2e#.c91evr2ss

Good luck defending the actions of your cryptographer. 

Just because you link to something, doesn't make it "fact".

Yeah he found a bug in RingCT...which was not even live on a public network, then found examples of it in SDC and ended up breaking your project.

How is that a bad thing? He made the bug public so SDC devs could fix it...

please explain that logic. Being butthurt because someone found that your project is broken and publicly announces it...

Such a bad thing... omg lol  Smiley

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September 19, 2016, 10:12:08 AM
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+1 Rusty the way it was handled was very unprofessional, i would of thanked him personally for bringing the bug to our attention, That was after all the intention behind the bug bounty... But his conduct and the propaganda that has been spewed about it since is just disgusting to say the least.

Yes announcing a fatal flaw of a cryptocoin publicly so SDC developers could fix it, ...such an "unprofessional" way to do it.

Perhaps Shen should have kept the bug private and deanonymized your chain later when it had more users/investments?

Would that have been better?

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September 19, 2016, 10:16:32 AM
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Great, you quoted that atrocious public blog.

Here is the full story
https://decentralize.today/monero-had-the-same-bug-as-shadow-33a86ddeac2e#.c91evr2ss

Good luck defending the actions of your cryptographer. 

Just because you link to something, doesn't make it "fact".

Yeah he found a bug in RingCT...which was not even live on a public network, then found examples of it in SDC and ended up breaking your project.

How is that a bad thing? He made the bug public so SDC devs could fix it...

please explain that logic. Being butthurt because someone found that your project is broken and publicly announces it...

Such a bad thing... omg lol  Smiley

The facts are in the article.  There is nothing non-factual in it, and if there is I am happy to change it.

It comes as no surprise to me that you dont get the point of the article and dont understand what professionalism is.
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September 19, 2016, 10:20:29 AM
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Great, you quoted that atrocious public blog.

Here is the full story
https://decentralize.today/monero-had-the-same-bug-as-shadow-33a86ddeac2e#.c91evr2ss

Good luck defending the actions of your cryptographer.  

Just because you link to something, doesn't make it "fact".

Yeah he found a bug in RingCT...which was not even live on a public network, then found examples of it in SDC and ended up breaking your project.

How is that a bad thing? He made the bug public so SDC devs could fix it...

please explain that logic. Being butthurt because someone found that your project is broken and publicly announces it...

Such a bad thing... omg lol  Smiley

The facts are in the article.  There is nothing non-factual in it, and if there is I am happy to change it.

It comes as no surprise to me that you dont get the point of the article and dont understand what professionalism is.


This is the wild west of crypto...there is no such thing as professionalism.

Only your opinion of professionalism in a tiny box.

You obviously do not want to address the fact that Shen did SDC a favor in publicly announcing the exploit, which is the right thing to do.

To compare RingCT bug with SDC's bug, is a broken comparison.

RingCT was not live (nor was it public) on testnet/mainnet, SDC was live on mainnet when it was broken.

Again I ask, should Shen have kept his finding private and not told the public? Would that have been better?

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September 19, 2016, 10:36:22 AM
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This is the wild west of crypto...there is no such thing as professionalism.

Only your opinion of professionalism in a tiny box.

You obviously do not want to address the fact that Shen did SDC a favor in publicly announcing the exploit, which is the right thing to do.

To compare RingCT bug with SDC's bug, is a broken comparison.

RingCT was not live (nor was it public) on testnet/mainnet, SDC was live on mainnet when it was broken.

Again I ask, should Shen have kept his finding private and not told the public? Would that have been better?


Yes, he did do us a favor in the end and I have said that here before.

But that does not excuse the way he handled the situation and the way you guys tried to take full advantage of a bug that was also found in your own code.  Just because you guys found it first doesn't mean the shadow devs wouldn't have found it themselves a few days later and we will never know that.

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September 19, 2016, 10:40:41 AM
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This is the wild west of crypto...there is no such thing as professionalism.

Only your opinion of professionalism in a tiny box.

You obviously do not want to address the fact that Shen did SDC a favor in publicly announcing the exploit, which is the right thing to do.

To compare RingCT bug with SDC's bug, is a broken comparison.

RingCT was not live (nor was it public) on testnet/mainnet, SDC was live on mainnet when it was broken.

Again I ask, should Shen have kept his finding private and not told the public? Would that have been better?


Yes, he did do us a favor in the end and I have said that here before.

But that does not excuse the way he handled the situation and the way you guys tried to take full advantage of a bug that was also found in your own code.  Just because you guys found it first doesn't mean the shadow devs wouldn't have found it themselves a few days later and we will never know that.

 Sad

Your gratitude always seems to come with a "but"

Where exactly did you state that Shen did you folks a favor prior to this ^ comment above?

Obviously you have more complaints than thank you's

I will just leave you with that as this discussion has run its course and my points have been made crystal clear for all to see.

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September 19, 2016, 10:54:42 AM
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Yes everything is crystal clear to me.

Monero is unprofessional
Monero has no features that shadow doesn't have
Monero is no more anonymous than Shadow
Shadow has many more features that Monero
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September 19, 2016, 12:39:59 PM
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Whats also interesting from

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is this reply from smooth:

February 17, 2016, 06:13:29 AM
Reply with quote  #84
Quote from: RyanOlstren on February 17, 2016, 05:18:32 AM
So on a scale of complete dumbass to blithering idiots, how badly did the SDC team fuck this up?

"1. The bug itself was an error that any very amateur cryptographer could make (that would include me) if they were foolish enough to try to implement this without any sort of help or review from a competent cryptographer or mathematician (that would not include me). That still foolish, but perhaps understandable given limited resources and a mandate to implement the promised features anyway.

2. The "SDC Deanonymized? Nope" blog post was an epic and complete fail on the level of blithering idiots who are also complete dumbasses. That includes the claim of not being able to reproduce the flaw in 10 hours of trying. I'm not sure I believe they even tried, or which would be worse."

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Whats also interesting from

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1361131.0;all

is this reply from smooth:

February 17, 2016, 06:13:29 AM
Reply with quote  #84
Quote from: RyanOlstren on February 17, 2016, 05:18:32 AM
So on a scale of complete dumbass to blithering idiots, how badly did the SDC team fuck this up?

"1. The bug itself was an error that any very amateur cryptographer could make (that would include me) if they were foolish enough to try to implement this without any sort of help or review from a competent cryptographer or mathematician (that would not include me). That still foolish, but perhaps understandable given limited resources and a mandate to implement the promised features anyway.

2. The "SDC Deanonymized? Nope" blog post was an epic and complete fail on the level of blithering idiots who are also complete dumbasses. That includes the claim of not being able to reproduce the flaw in 10 hours of trying. I'm not sure I believe they even tried, or which would be worse."

Yeah sounds like Smooth, charming fellow, Bug was mathematical error and was tiny, it was so minor it was overlooked, that's why it went unnoticed for so long, senders and receivers were still protect by stealth addresses and barely anybody was using the coin at the time, so we really weren't Deanonymized nd nobody was at risk  Cheesy this is just silly bitcoin had a bug, monero had a bug etherum has a new bug every week nobody seams to care, that they have large market caps, but for some reason there is a huge problem with shadow having a bug in the past.
could be wrong but the reason people are making such a big deal about the bug is probably this.
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February 17, 2016, 06:13:29 AM
Reply with quote  #84
Quote from: RyanOlstren on February 17, 2016, 05:18:32 AM
So on a scale of complete dumbass to blithering idiots, how badly did the SDC team fuck this up?

"1. The bug itself was an error that any very amateur cryptographer could make (that would include me) if they were foolish enough to try to implement this without any sort of help or review from a competent cryptographer or mathematician (that would not include me). That still foolish, but perhaps understandable given limited resources and a mandate to implement the promised features anyway.

2. The "SDC Deanonymized? Nope" blog post was an epic and complete fail on the level of blithering idiots who are also complete dumbasses. That includes the claim of not being able to reproduce the flaw in 10 hours of trying. I'm not sure I believe they even tried, or which would be worse."


lol, like bringing smooths opinion into the argument is going to help. Smooth is one of the adults that led your kid cryptographer astray

Its all documented here: https://decentralize.today/monero-had-the-same-bug-as-shadow-33a86ddeac2e#.sjo6i1y7j

If it was an error that any amateur cryptographer could make then they did it themselves also
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Whats also interesting from

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February 17, 2016, 06:13:29 AM
Reply with quote  #84
Quote from: RyanOlstren on February 17, 2016, 05:18:32 AM
So on a scale of complete dumbass to blithering idiots, how badly did the SDC team fuck this up?

"1. The bug itself was an error that any very amateur cryptographer could make (that would include me) if they were foolish enough to try to implement this without any sort of help or review from a competent cryptographer or mathematician (that would not include me). That still foolish, but perhaps understandable given limited resources and a mandate to implement the promised features anyway.

2. The "SDC Deanonymized? Nope" blog post was an epic and complete fail on the level of blithering idiots who are also complete dumbasses. That includes the claim of not being able to reproduce the flaw in 10 hours of trying. I'm not sure I believe they even tried, or which would be worse."


lol, like bringing smooths opinion into the argument is going to help. Smooth is one of the adults that led your kid cryptographer astray

Its all documented here: https://decentralize.today/monero-had-the-same-bug-as-shadow-33a86ddeac2e#.sjo6i1y7j

If it was an error that any amateur cryptographer could make then they did it themselves also

+1  Wink Great article mate.

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I dont really want to think of it like bitcoin. I am scared that bad spirits may come and take it away from me. I just let it be at its way now. Just investing until the time it will be known.

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September 19, 2016, 03:11:19 PM
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What surprises me is that after monero guys announced the bug... the bug in question was fixed with bounty paid. Xmr guys keep saying even now that shadowcash is presently broken when they know it's currently not. So the security of the code should no longer be questioned. That aside, shadowcash devs work is evident. While they are at it, why not make it look really nice and buttery smooth. The potential is definitely there.
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September 19, 2016, 03:14:22 PM
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This has to be a joke...? Shadowcash isn't even in the competition for anonymous cryptocurrencies.

The only currencies that are in the running are Monero(XMR), and I hate to say it, but Dash. Shadowcash is a joke, just like oompaloompa coin

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September 19, 2016, 03:23:57 PM
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This has to be a joke...? Shadowcash isn't even in the competition for anonymous cryptocurrencies.

The only currencies that are in the running are Monero(XMR), and I hate to say it, but Dash. Shadowcash is a joke, just like oompaloompa coin

Why is Monero or even Dash in the race?
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September 19, 2016, 05:01:25 PM
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@darkota You can't see the forest for the trees. It's ok to be biased and silly, but to say that sdc isn't even an anonymous cryptocoin competitor is asinine. You guys have a great thing going, no doubt... but keep looking in your rearview mirror because shadow is there and creeping up while your still saying it's not happening.
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September 19, 2016, 05:36:47 PM
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@darkota You can't see the forest for the trees. It's ok to be biased and silly, but to say that sdc isn't even an anonymous cryptocoin competitor is asinine. You guys have a great thing going, no doubt... but keep looking in your rearview mirror because shadow is there and creeping up while your still saying it's not happening.

Having the entire SDC blockchain de-anonymized is not a great start to promoting a privacy-based crypto coin.

Just because the SDC devs say they "fixed" their code, how can one be sure unless a peer review or audit of the code by a neutral (unbiased) 3rd party that is reputable does the inspection?

Of course the SDC developers are going to say "All is good" in the SDC source code, by publicly releasing their code on mainnet they essentially said "all is good" prior to the fatal exploit was found by Shen N.

How can one expect to garner confidence in devs who allowed a fatal exploit that de-anonymizes their entire blockchain?

I guess there is a sucker born every minute, as the saying goes...that's how.

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September 19, 2016, 06:53:49 PM
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Your argument goes for any crypto including Monero. How is Monero exempt from everything? We know that the fatal bug was identified and also fixed by Monero devs. Are we to trust that all is well now? People are giving the devs the benefit of the doubt. So to say sdc is still broke or untrustworthy is bogus... it's no more broke than Monero after you guys fixed the same exact fatal flaw. May the best crypto win.
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September 19, 2016, 07:06:59 PM
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Your argument goes for any crypto including Monero. How is Monero exempt from everything? We know that the fatal bug was identified and also fixed by Monero devs. Are we to trust that all is well now? People are giving the devs the benefit of the doubt. So to say sdc is still broke or untrustworthy is bogus... it's no more broke than Monero after you guys fixed the same exact fatal flaw. May the best crypto win.
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September 19, 2016, 08:41:20 PM
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Upcoming Monero Hard Fork Lays Foundation For Complete Anonymity

Over the past few weeks, there has been a significant interest in Monero. Not only did the alternative currency gain significant value in recent weeks, but it also got accepted on various darknet markets. The developers have announced a hard fork, which will bring several changes to the ecosystem.

The Monero hard fork will go into effect on September 21st. Users and miners will need to update their clients on that date – or close to it at last – to ensure they are compatible with the changes. Although there is no spectacular change, there will be some exciting additions to the codebase.

Monero network blocks will enforce coinbase transactions to be split into new denominations. Doing so will prevent unmixable inputs from being created.  To put this into layman’s terms: everyone who is mining Monero will be able to remain completely...

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