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November 29, 2010, 09:17:32 PM
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We do _not_ have a working self-replicating 3D printer yet. reprap.org is often marketed as one, but you still have to do lots of human labour to replicate one. When the day comes that you can replicate the original in a day without human effort, can use more materials than currently supported, have a lot less variance (this is manufacturing!), that will be the day where you can think about printing cars, etc.

Currently, we have hyped technology that can create plastic items (that cannot even contain all liquids without leaking). It's a great project, but to think it will be "done" in 5-10 years is a mistake. If anything, major advances could come from increases in processing power, but they have to be enormous (kind of like how GPUs have been growing in capability in a limited domain of computations), but I don't see it happening. I used to, but progress has been too slow over the past 5 years in this area.

For example we really should have been able to buy memristor based technology by now.

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November 29, 2010, 09:23:00 PM
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We do _not_ have a working self-replicating 3D printer yet. reprap.org is often marketed as one, but you still have to do lots of human labour to replicate one. When the day comes that you can replicate the original in a day without human effort, can use more materials than currently supported, have a lot less variance (this is manufacturing!), that will be the day where you can think about printing cars, etc.

Currently, we have hyped technology that can create plastic items (that cannot even contain all liquids without leaking). It's a great project, but to think it will be "done" in 5-10 years is a mistake. If anything, major advances could come from increases in processing power, but they have to be enormous (kind of like how GPUs have been growing in capability in a limited domain of computations), but I don't see it happening. I used to, but progress has been too slow over the past 5 years in this area.

For example we really should have been able to buy memristor based technology by now.

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November 29, 2010, 10:10:50 PM
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How is one going to buy let's say a car underground? Cars have to be registered, etc. Transactions above certain amounts have to be registered, etc. How is Bitcoin or an alternative system going to get around that? For digital goods one could use Bitcoin, but most  interesting goods are not digital.

Well, if you want a new Mercedes Benz or something like that, then you will need to buy it in the old economy.  However, I could envision a resourceful agorist buying an old clunker with some national currency and restoring it to like new condition and then selling it for Bitcoins.  When you register the car, which would already have a title, you would only have to pay taxes on its old, unrestored value. 

In the future, there will be a greater availability of desktop manufacturing devices and eventually molecular manufacturing machines, so the percentage of the world economy that can be delivered digitally is only going to increase.


So commodity markets will be even bigger in the future. Imagine buying exotic matters so that you could print them with your machine.

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November 29, 2010, 10:11:46 PM
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We do _not_ have a working self-replicating 3D printer yet. reprap.org is often marketed as one, but you still have to do lots of human labour to replicate one. When the day comes that you can replicate the original in a day without human effort, can use more materials than currently supported, have a lot less variance (this is manufacturing!), that will be the day where you can think about printing cars, etc.

Currently, we have hyped technology that can create plastic items (that cannot even contain all liquids without leaking). It's a great project, but to think it will be "done" in 5-10 years is a mistake. If anything, major advances could come from increases in processing power, but they have to be enormous (kind of like how GPUs have been growing in capability in a limited domain of computations), but I don't see it happening. I used to, but progress has been too slow over the past 5 years in this area.

For example we really should have been able to buy memristor based technology by now.

Was anybody here talking about reprap being finished in few years ?
Reprap is probably decades from "completion" meaning when it will be possible to print something complex with it, without the need of any human intervention...

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November 29, 2010, 10:14:52 PM
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Was anybody here talking about reprap being finished in few years ?
Reprap is probably decades from "completion" meaning when it will be possible to print something complex with it, without the need of any human intervention...

Rerap made possible makerbot. Makerbot make more makerbot operators, who are hacker type. More hackers mean more effort. More effort mean more inventing and innovation.

Currently, you can basically mass produce on a small scale plastic objects.

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November 29, 2010, 10:52:54 PM
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Was anybody here talking about reprap being finished in few years ?
Reprap is probably decades from "completion" meaning when it will be possible to print something complex with it, without the need of any human intervention...

Rerap made possible makerbot. Makerbot make more makerbot operators, who are hacker type. More hackers mean more effort. More effort mean more inventing and innovation.

Currently, you can basically mass produce on a small scale plastic objects.


mass produced small plastic objects. exactly what the world needs more of

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November 29, 2010, 10:56:30 PM
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We do _not_ have a working self-replicating 3D printer yet. reprap.org is often marketed as one, but you still have to do lots of human labour to replicate one. When the day comes that you can replicate the original in a day without human effort, can use more materials than currently supported, have a lot less variance (this is manufacturing!), that will be the day where you can think about printing cars, etc.

Currently, we have hyped technology that can create plastic items (that cannot even contain all liquids without leaking). It's a great project, but to think it will be "done" in 5-10 years is a mistake. If anything, major advances could come from increases in processing power, but they have to be enormous (kind of like how GPUs have been growing in capability in a limited domain of computations), but I don't see it happening. I used to, but progress has been too slow over the past 5 years in this area.

For example we really should have been able to buy memristor based technology by now.

Was anybody here talking about reprap being finished in few years ?
Reprap is probably decades from "completion" meaning when it will be possible to print something complex with it, without the need of any human intervention...
I sensed a strong suggestion by some people before me that 3D printing technology is already a miracle technology. Your prediction is closer to what I would predict.

FYI, in various videos they claim literallly "within 5 to 10 years you will all have your own RepRap and you can then just print another one for a friend by pressing a button". That's the marketing I am talking about. That time duration is a unfounded number. As a wise man said "Making predictions is hard, especially about the future".

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November 30, 2010, 12:26:36 AM
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Watch out for copyrights! "You wouldn't copy a car would you?" ;-)

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