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September 30, 2016, 10:14:05 AM
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I have some bitcoins in an exchange and I found today that, without any transactions being made, the quantity has gone down.

I have contacted the exchange who have said:

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the balance varies according to the prices that are floating

Is this correct? In my view the quantity of bitcoins I have should not fluctuate, only the value of said coins. Or am I missing something?

Any explanations would be great!
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September 30, 2016, 10:18:25 AM
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I have no idea what you're trying to ask nor say here. Bitcoin quantity does not go down, it actually goes up with the process of mining.

What exchange are we talking about? Please elaborate your situation more properly.

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September 30, 2016, 10:25:10 AM
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bitcoin itself has nothing to do with an exchange.

inside an exchange you are not looking at bitcoins. you are looking at a database balance of credits that (ethically) should represent bitcoin.
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the exchange is ALLOWING you to have some balance of their database. which if the exchange is ethical they will swap that balance for real bitcoins when you withdraw.

the exchange can do anything they want to their database. they can charge fee's just for having a balance, they can charge fee's for making orders they can charge fees for deposits and withdrawals. they can so anything they like to their database. including making it zero for any lame reason they want.

this is why people hate middlemen, banks, exchanges. with all the "we been hacked" lies, with all the negative interest rates, with all the bankruptcy issues you should not trust handing your funds to a middleman in exchange for their "credits"/"balance".

as for bitcoin itself. knowing eventually there will be only 21mill coins. you cannot make the quantity go down. you can however put them into an address no one can spend from, to make them unspendable.. resulting in less than 21million coins being spendable/in circulation.

now that answer the topic.
it seems like an exchange is messing you around, care to name the exchange, describe the events better?
have you contacted the exchange?
have you checked the trade history/transaction history within the exchange to see where/why the balance missing had gone?

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September 30, 2016, 10:37:14 AM
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Thank you both for your replies. And @franky1, that has taught me a lot!

I am with Bleutrade.

Between yesterday and today, there has been a reduction in bitcoins by 0.00214616 (not much, but it's more the principle).

I have contacted them, and they gave the reply that I originally posted ("the balance varies according to the prices that are floating").

I have been through my transaction history and there have been no changes between yesterday and today.
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September 30, 2016, 10:38:54 AM
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I think it does not go down. This thing only happens during halving as far as  i know developers will make a halving period in order to minimize the over sized of bitcoin's amount so they decided that during halving  the bitcoin quantity will be divided into half.
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September 30, 2016, 10:39:50 AM
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Between yesterday and today, there has been a reduction in bitcoins by 0.00214616 (not much, but it's more the principle).
I have contacted them, and they gave the reply that I originally posted ("the balance varies according to the prices that are floating").
What you're experiencing is exchange specific and does not really have much to do with Bitcoin itself. The exchange can change your balance at any time, although that would make them a scam. Keep in mind that Bitcoins owned on a exchange are not yours, since you don't own the private keys to the addresses.

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September 30, 2016, 10:42:46 AM
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i think that bitcoin  quantity will never  go down because bitcoin is very useful and and everyone using bitcoin for online shopping and many people use bitcoin as investment so bitcoin are going ahead and every company are adopting bitcoin for their own business.
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September 30, 2016, 10:47:46 AM
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Thank you both for your replies. And @franky1, that has taught me a lot!

I am with Bleutrade.

Between yesterday and today, there has been a reduction in bitcoins by 0.00214616 (not much, but it's more the principle).

I have contacted them, and they gave the reply that I originally posted ("the balance varies according to the prices that are floating").

I have been through my transaction history and there have been no changes between yesterday and today.

seems by what you are saying they are less then ethical.

the only other consideration is:
and instead of say, a deposit of 1btc being recorded on their database as 1btc, they are instead recording it as the dollar value when you deposited.
which means when display that recorded dollar balance as a fluctuating btc value which changes.

this does not seem fair as most exchanges dont do this in practice.
have you read the terms or their policies that allow them to treat you bitcoin deposit automatically as a dollar balance.
did you deposit bitcoin or dollars initially

did you swap your bitcoin for dollar and are accidentally just looking at a "valuation" rather than actual balance.

it might be worth
checking their terms/policies
checking that your seeing a balance/holdings, rather than an valuation
checking when, how your initial deposit suddenly no became no longer treated as equal balance.

it may be simply that you deposited dollars and without trading have been looking at an 'estimated valuation in bitcoin' rather then a log of actual balance, mistakenly thinking they converted it to bitcoin. but actually just giving you an estimate if you traded it.

if however you deposited bitcoin but did not convert it to another currency, and they cannot explain how/where/why they have this 'floating value' feature. then i would say its unethical and scammy. and dont deposit any more with them.

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September 30, 2016, 11:01:50 AM
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I have been through their terms and conditions (not exactly a big read) and could not find anything regarding how the bitcoins are treated.

I deposited the bitcoins as bitcoins (straight from my wallet) - a set quantity and have not exchanged it into a dollar amount.

In the 'wallet' (profile page on the exchange), it shows a table showing quantity of bitcoins, and value of the bitcoins based on the current price.

I am waiting to hear back from them for an explanation and will keep you posted. But yes, I will not be depositing any more for the time being until I hear back from them.
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September 30, 2016, 11:10:01 AM
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it shows a table showing quantity of bitcoins, and value of the bitcoins based on the current price
a)what does: "quantity of bitcoins" balance show
b)what does: "value of the bitcoins based on the current price" balance show

i would think ethically if you deposited say 1btc... a)=1btc,  b)=0

if you however traded half that bitcoin in the past to be holding some as dollars
a)=0.5btc, b)=<varied estimate +/- ~0.5btc>
and a second table elsewhere for the dollar side
a)=$300,  b)=<varied estimate +/- ~$300>
where the balance (shown in one colour) is the varied estimate (of said same colour)

an after thought
double check the balance/valuation of all the currencies as you may find you have balance elsewhere. which is causing the "valuation" hiccup.
if not.. then something very unethical and scammy is going on

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September 30, 2016, 11:23:37 AM
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What exchange is that? Maybe they are not real but some scam site. But the amount of Bitcoins on some exchange has nothing to do with overal amount of Bitcoins. Although with time the quantity of mined Bitcoins will go down because this quantity is limited.

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September 30, 2016, 11:25:20 AM
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There are two tables, one shows the live bitcoin price in various currencies. For example:

Dollars     US$601.01
Euros       E   541.06
...

The second table, is 'My Balance'. For example:

Bitcoin     0.5
Dollars    300.50

And since the start of the thread, the quantity of bitcoins has gone up by 0.00000224.
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September 30, 2016, 11:39:06 AM
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Obviously not. Because once the bitcoin is mined that can't get lost in air. But bitcoin price could go down and and but it's market value would be reduced but this doesn't mean that bitcoin quantity will be affected. Once bitcoin is mined that amount could never get vanished.

But suppose currently there is 1 million bitcoin so market is about ~ $606 x 1 million but if price comes down to $500 then it's market value would be $500 x 1 million so thus way it can affect but not in bitcoin quantity.
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September 30, 2016, 11:59:26 AM
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1 BTC is 1 BTC and It has nothing to do with exchange or anyone else, which exchange are you talking about? If you have tokens or any other currency or formula then this is another thing otherwise it should stay the same.
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September 30, 2016, 12:09:02 PM
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I doubt the quantity can go down, that was probably a talk about the price in the exchange etc... there are 21 million BTC's to be found eventually and if you don't exclude the coins in lost wallets etc... then they will be 21 millions.

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September 30, 2016, 12:18:38 PM
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There are two tables, one shows the live bitcoin price in various currencies. For example:

Dollars     US$601.01
Euros       E   541.06
...

The second table, is 'My Balance'. For example:

Bitcoin     0.5
Dollars    300.50

And since the start of the thread, the quantity of bitcoins has gone up by 0.00000224.
It seems to me like the balance on that exchange is kept in USD, and not in Bitcoin. Therefore, your balance tends to increase or decrease based on the price in USD. I can't be completely sure though. Something isn't right with that exchange.

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September 30, 2016, 12:22:20 PM
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There are two tables, one shows the live bitcoin price in various currencies. For example:

Dollars     US$601.01
Euros       E   541.06
...

The second table, is 'My Balance'. For example:

Bitcoin     0.5
Dollars    300.50

And since the start of the thread, the quantity of bitcoins has gone up by 0.00000224.
It seems to me like the balance on that exchange is kept in USD, and not in Bitcoin. Therefore, your balance tends to increase or decrease based on the price in USD. I can't be completely sure though. Something isn't right with that exchange.

Okay. Well thanks to all for your help and explanations. Things are a little clearer now Smiley Any suggestions of an exchange that I can use as an alternative?
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September 30, 2016, 12:28:32 PM
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Okay. Well thanks to all for your help and explanations. Things are a little clearer now Smiley Any suggestions of an exchange that I can use as an alternative?
That depends on where you are located. Good suggestions for Europe would be Bitstamp and Kraken. US would be Circle and Coinbase I guess. Others may have better input on this matter as barely use exchanges. You could also use the search function to find old discussion regarding this topic.

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September 30, 2016, 12:35:47 PM
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I have some bitcoins in an exchange and I found today that, without any transactions being made, the quantity has gone down.

I have contacted the exchange who have said:

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the balance varies according to the prices that are floating

Is this correct? In my view the quantity of bitcoins I have should not fluctuate, only the value of said coins. Or am I missing something?

Any explanations would be great!

Maybe the exchange has some hidden fees.I don`t know.

Or maybe the exchange monitors the bitcoin value in fiat money.

If you deposited 100 USD worth in bitcoins and btc price increased,those 100 USD are now worth

less bitcoins.

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September 30, 2016, 01:23:27 PM
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you can see the list of exchanges and all the coins they have listen on them here: https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges
it is sorted based on popularity (daily volume)

p.s. you should never keep anything on exchanges. they can shut down and run away at any moment.

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