Is it just me or has the quality of this forum dropped immensely

[Cranky4u]

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[LTU_btc]

Now there are many spammers who arr trying to eatn easy money. But I didn't noticed that moderators would fight active against them. They allow to post shity spam in and threads reach 50, 100 or more pages. And there are also hundreds of farmed accounts, who creates majority of spam. These farmers was catched by users, but moderators didn't taked any actions to stop them.

[veleten]

people will spam regardless
as long as there any incentitives to post,be it actual money from sig campaigns or increasing the post count (e-peen size) or just sound smarter than that other guy,some even go as far as helping others with their problems(these are the worst)
bitcoin community grows,many non-english speaking members type "bitcoin read information" or similar into Google search and come to this forum
for every 2.2 decent posters statistically,there are 5.34 wankers who murder not only english language,but also common sense and my patience
I learned to live with it
I forgive....

[HabBear]

Then you get the signature campaign runners getting arbitrarily tough on the campaign participants. E.g., I just got pulled off the BIT.AC campaign for "post frequency and quality". But my post count was 20 for the week, spread over 4 days, and my quality was far outweighing others. I tried to contest it but the guy running the campaign couldn't even cite a specific example of how I violated their rules!

I think I can guess why you got kicked from the Bit.AC sig campaign. I was also a little surprised at first to see you kicked out (though I seriously doubt that the quality of your posts "was far outweighing others", to be honest), so I looked through your post history, and I found this entry of yours in the week preceding the payment after which you got excluded:

I make BTC0.84 per day right now.

I don't know about SFR10, the BIT.AC campaign manager, and his reasons for kicking you out (provided it was his decision in the first place), but I consider it rather strange that a guy making 0.84 BTC per day would be participating in a signature campaign that was paying him, according to his rank, only 0.00055x50=0.0275 per week for 50 posts which he still didn't make. Just in case, I'm in no way affiliated with either SFR10 or BIT.AC...

Do you really earn so much and still want to participate in a signature campaign (I am just asking)?

Thanks for responding. As I was reading your comment i was thinking you were going to imply that the short statement was the reason. I'm genuinely surprised you think it was the number I listed. But maybe you're on to something.

First, yeah, I do make that much from my day job (in fiat) and what I listed is the BTC equivalent.

Second, I love bitcoin and having good discussion on this forum. Signature campaigns is a very cool way to make some money.

Last, if that's the reason they kicked me out...it just proves my point that the decision making is arbitrary and without logic. He could have sent me a note saying "hey, you don't really need this so I gotta give your spot to someone else".

[SaltySpitoon]

It depends on what you mean by quality. I joined this forum a little over 5 years ago, and I'd argue that the quality of discussion was higher, but that means a lot of things. I speculate that conversation was of higher quality because Bitcoin was more technical at the time. People came here to have discussions on the technology and how to use it. The fact that that isn't necessarily the case anymore in my opinion means that the technological barrier is decreasing. The userbase is now more diverse, and their #1 question isn't, "What steps must I take to avoid corrupting my Bitcoin wallet and losing all of my money", instead it is "I bought Bitcoin, what do I do with it now?".

Of course the discussion is going to be a lot higher quality between fewer members with the same interests that respect each other. If there were only 1000 Bitcoin users world wide, I believe that would still be the case. Now, we have people who barely understand Bitcoin, but use it anyway. Take the good with the bad. Bitcoin user's interests aren't a monolith anymore. Some people are interested in the technology, some are interested in mining, some in Alt coins, some in shopping, others in business, some in scamming, and some in spamming.

Associate with the good, ignore the bad, and try and have discussions with the people who are interested in the same aspects of Bitcoin as you. Especially the spammers, please create a single thread and spam with each other. Also be sure to take role, record your names. *grabs the ban hammer*

[Decoded]

This is why I spend time paying in Development & Techbical Discussion and Technical Support. Spammers don't understand what's there or can't be bothered to make sense of that, they'd much rather post in "Do you think bitcoin is a good investment?".

Heh.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

We're in a period of low price volatility. It's all gone a bit boring, forum traffic & increased adoption will improve the quality of the forum, we just need some good news to pump the price.

Just have a bit of patience.

[actmyname]

We're in a period of low price volatility. It's all gone a bit boring, forum traffic & increased adoption will improve the quality of the forum, we just need some good news to pump the price.

Just have a bit of patience.

I think it would be the reverse, actually. Do you remember back in 2015 when there were 4-some bubbles and a billion of the same threads about "btc is $n now" or "how high will btc go?" appeared?

Increased adoption will only bring way to more people... with the majority of those becoming spammers.


What it will do, however, is bring in more ad revenue for the forum and potentially help with the new forum software.

[Lauda]

We're in a period of low price volatility. It's all gone a bit boring, forum traffic & increased adoption will improve the quality of the forum, we just need some good news to pump the price.

False. If nothing is done, the exact opposite will happen. The quality will be even worse than it is now, which says a lot since some sections are already mostly unreadable.

Do you remember back in 2015 when there were 4-some bubbles and a billion of the same threads about "btc is $n now" or "how high will btc go?" appeared?

Quite annoying, redundant and rule-breaking threads, yes.

Increased adoption will only bring way to more people... with the majority of those becoming spammers.

Unless something is done, that is likely the case.

[DeathAngel]

I guess the only thing that would be close to guaranteeing that the quality of posting here increases is to stop sig campaigns (yes I'm aware that I participate in one).

It'd stop the shit posting to reach weekly quotas but at the same time this would make the forum a lot quieter.

[JessicaG]

Allowance of signature campaigns and buying/selling of accounts is something I find awkward; such things make a forum to be known like a place where people can earn (easy) money, and attracts unwanted elements negatively impacting discussion(s) and quality as a whole. If talking about the Bitcoin, blockchain and other related stuff regarding would be the core, then the only place where people could advertise should be that banner space up for renting; allowing, and thus facilitating, any other form just simply downgrades the forum as a whole, it's quality and it's content.

[redsn0w]

Every topic I look at lately is just a bunch of spammers trying to raise their post count when they should really be spending some time learning English...

No, it is not just for you. Spammers ruined the forum, and we can't do nothing.
Maybe the only way to fix this problem is to ban all the signature campaigns.

[Tyrantt]

Every topic I look at lately is just a bunch of spammers trying to raise their post count when they should really be spending some time learning English...

Well when there were less people and less signature campaigns posts had more quality, now when there are tons of new users, many more new signature campaigns, and signature camps. require a certain rank, then you have people that are shitposting just to rank up and whether you know english or not, it's not stopping you from posting. :p

[Tyrantt]

Every topic I look at lately is just a bunch of spammers trying to raise their post count when they should really be spending some time learning English...

No, it is not just for you. Spammers ruined the forum, and we can't do nothing.
Maybe the only way to fix this problem is to ban all the signature campaigns.

Well if you do that, probably a lot of people would leave just because of that, and I'm not really sure how this forums gets around, is it by donations or ads or smthn... Maybe bring in the new way, a new system of ranking up. Where spam posts wouldn't be considered as posts at all, where a true contribution would be rewarded.

I don't like this way or ranking up with points every two weeks because it's allows spammer to rank up easily, maybe something like after a certain period of time you can pm a mod or admin and ask to review your account, if you weren't spamming and your posts are on point, then you will get a higher rank. Tho, there might be some more things to add to that like what does a certain rank require and things like that. That's just my opinion on how to solve that problem, since then spamming would leave you nowhere and people will actually give a productive response that just "yes haha" or things like that. I've gave my proposal, it's all up to admins. :p

[deisik]

Every topic I look at lately is just a bunch of spammers trying to raise their post count when they should really be spending some time learning English...

No, it is not just for you. Spammers ruined the forum, and we can't do nothing.
Maybe the only way to fix this problem is to ban all the signature campaigns.

That would be too drastic a measure. Disabling signatures for anyone below a Hero member rank would do just wonders in this regard and most likely sweep away a lot of spammy campaigns along with their shit posters. While enabling signatures back might be an option at moderators' or trusted users' discretion, though not completely free from abuse...

I don't like this way or ranking up with points every two weeks because it's allows spammer to rank up easily, maybe something like after a certain period of time you can pm a mod or admin and ask to review your account, if you weren't spamming and your posts are on point, then you will get a higher rank. Tho, there might be some more things to add to that like what does a certain rank require and things like that. That's just my opinion on how to solve that problem, since then spamming would leave you nowhere and people will actually give a productive response that just "yes haha" or things like that. I've gave my proposal, it's all up to admins. :p

And that would definitely be a hell of a job

[btvGainer]

Sig campaigns are such bs. Is there a reason that they haven't been banned outright?

the forum owner believes in open markets and freedoms (though has had some ironic examples of limiting freedom of speech on other platforms)

But the rules for the sig participant isn't reaching some eligible post count will be removed from the campaign is the big enemy from the forums. could remove this rules? so really strict for the participant and the forum.

Signature campaigns have contributed a lot in making bitcoin mainstream and in growing bitcoin community.Campaigns have also helped many bitcoin related business to establish.
I bet those whose who oppose sig campaigns are the ones who have hoarded lots of bitcoins and feel jealous when they see others earning them.

[JessicaG]

Signature campaigns have contributed a lot in making bitcoin mainstream and in growing bitcoin community.Campaigns have also helped many bitcoin related business to establish.
I bet those whose who oppose sig campaigns are the ones who have hoarded lots of bitcoins and feel jealous when they see others earning them.

Personally, I do not agree on the latter; it's like when topics related to earning(s) and/or how to get your hands on some Bitcoins, there's always a bunch of people saying 'through signature campaigns'; and, off course, >90% if not near >95% of them have them campaigns in their signatures.
Off course not all contributors doing signature campaigns are rubbish or hollow contributions; in fact, some of them are pretty good actually! Yet it still remains a fact that due to signature campaigns, we at least can say they contribute to a whole bunch of useless and double/triple/etc posts and answers; likewise goes the same for facilitating the selling and buying of accounts. If there is money to be made, some people will just do anything to do so, and everything else comes second in line 

[Tyrantt]

Every topic I look at lately is just a bunch of spammers trying to raise their post count when they should really be spending some time learning English...

No, it is not just for you. Spammers ruined the forum, and we can't do nothing.
Maybe the only way to fix this problem is to ban all the signature campaigns.

That would be too drastic a measure. Disabling signatures for anyone below a Hero member rank would do just wonders in this regard and most likely sweep away a lot of spammy campaigns along with their shit posters. While enabling signatures back might be an option at moderators' or trusted users' discretion, though not completely free from abuse...

I don't like this way or ranking up with points every two weeks because it's allows spammer to rank up easily, maybe something like after a certain period of time you can pm a mod or admin and ask to review your account, if you weren't spamming and your posts are on point, then you will get a higher rank. Tho, there might be some more things to add to that like what does a certain rank require and things like that. That's just my opinion on how to solve that problem, since then spamming would leave you nowhere and people will actually give a productive response that just "yes haha" or things like that. I've gave my proposal, it's all up to admins. :p

And that would definitely be a hell of a job

But that wouldn't be that much often, and someone can surely make a  scrypt for sorting comments based on number of characters, time posted, frequency of posts, etc... Like there should be some criteria, or maybe like an upvoting (like + and - trust) where people could be upvoting  a user if they fell like they're contributing the forum, so if someone is really active and really helping out the community, maybe they shouldn't wait as long for their rank.

[deepceleron]

Signature campaigns have contributed a lot in making bitcoin mainstream and in growing bitcoin community.Campaigns have also helped many bitcoin related business to establish.

That's BS. It has only ruined this forum by encouraging junk posting and keeping year-long pointless threads alive with banal content.

The solution is just to turn off forum signatures completely. They add nothing.

I created a thread with discussion of why disabling signatures is the only solution, and of course after a few pages and months even that thread was just signature spammers rehashing junk posts at each other.

By inaction, Theymos has made this forum not worth the time.

[buxlover]

You cannot expect everyone to speak about technologies of bitcoin, Previously there were only users who were attracted by bitcoin technology but now there are many more who uses bitcoin just for its value. So don't expect everyone to speak about bitcoin, transaction, wallet, blockchain.

Since bitcoin became currency for many services, the discussion and talks would divert from bitcoins. Now this forum is not a small community of members who just cared about bitcoin.

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Signature campaigns have brought some spammers, but that has brought many new users and made this forum as good place to advertise. Don't just look at the negative side, there many campaign participants who doesn't spam and more campaign managers trying hard to kick out spammers. Thus making this forum at least in a sense as decentralized.