Secondstrade.com stole 0.9733BTC [Proofs Inside]

[tautvilis]

I've been trying to get this sorted out peacefully, and was waiting for almost 48 hours to get my BTC back but I was simply ignored by the owner and that is why I am writing everything here.

So what happened?

In short I've sent a bet to secondstrade.com that was over the max and they haven't returned it, although in their rules (secondstrade.com/notice.html) it is clearly stated that "Bet Amount above the maximum amount will be refunded after six confirmation."

Detailed information:

First of all I'd like to give my betting history and here it is:
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=f6ec64d4758584a47fa4783c821e4f5f420d752d2ee15ae4d169b2b4884eb620 0.01BTC x 1.98 = 0.0198
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=865f4b4c24a8fc1c00a7e9a14c060924e0625b576512c248922494672f7e84e7 0.05BTC x 4.08 = 0.204
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=6b9af29f73148a4ab421687e601fbaaa840ecd3b5cb8bdfc4136f5a14e1bb3d4 0.05BTC x 1.98 = 0.099
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=ff463849acb65484a1bb76987dda62a8a22710d4137d09cac3b02f5b0f798d6d 0.05BTC loss
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=f916dc4ee07e520ea3ea5eff9f60436a2677ccf20e380fa5f6a3b722ef52bdfd 0.14BTC x 1.98 = 0.2772
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=a63074bc6cf45cd4f1dce789b5894dd7ff2dce7d2007e73a5642843a15487285 0.1BTC x 1.98 = 0.198
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=2b3242b0cd324c9621e433838c5cfae7efc0d5bc2f06c08a24bc15bcd101093e 0.019896BTC loss
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=903ee25575b2fa769bed432ee9046da4899a458088a44339c19b61d85a1c258f 0.3BTC x 1.98 = 0.594
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=14f7ed5fe15c9c72182dc30f20c0796cb60b480ab89df4e1f0fa5cd011c89a6a 0.05BTC loss
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=dee84551a49e1ebb8b9911f176ab265a6e2b7ef8db521e5a660a6f7b407201f8 0.1BTC x 4.08 = 0.408
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=399d595b0edf0999aea19aed64033a0e93e3c88e6ee56ed9f86776dd28e1cf53 0.05BTC loss
In case the owner tries do delete these pages I have them saved at web.archive.org

So as you can see I started with 0.100796BTC in my address blockchain.info/address/1PKd8B1BGWJW19NSeHY6KGKkhCsFGtkAvH and ended up with 0.9733BTC then I've tried to go all in and sent 0.9733BTC in transaction blockchain.info/tx/a3dc9561b456eeef9e3b96cedb7c86c80c0be493e0efd5a66dc59494442264c1 to address blockchain.info/address/1NqCDioR4G6TeoxcVxx5wpghQ7UmESD4uz that is for x1.98 bets only then did I realized that max bet is 0.5BTC.
So the owner was supposed to refund me that transaction but he hasn't done it in almost 48 hours.


Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381676

Scammers site:
http://secondstrade.com/

Amount Scammed: 0.9733BTC
Payment Method: Bitcoins
Proof of Payment:
https://blockchain.info/tx/a3dc9561b456eeef9e3b96cedb7c86c80c0be493e0efd5a66dc59494442264c1

[bitbollo]

Hi tautvilis, I have read your post of complaints in the principal topic about secondstrade...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg16492895#msg16492895

Because every time they issue a repayment, without any problem, so probably also in this time you have only to wait another reply by secondstrade owner ... and that's it. Also seems really clear that your bet need to be refunded, so I don't think they want scam you.

[rabiow12]

me too i got scammed for more than 0.5 btc and no refund till now the funny part their home thread if full of scam accusations and the owner have no fucking red trust
So i understand that- this forum simply full of bastards and thiefs and motherfuckers  and the fairness pretenders ....

[Avirunes]

Maybe he was busy then. Anyway I will send a Pm to the accused to give him some light about this thread. BTW may I know for which game in secondstrade you send the  btc.

[tommy163]

Post this in their OP, his op is not self moderated one, so feel free to post negative against them, if they want to continue the business, he will pay you. And don't forget leave this site after you have the money

[actmyname]

Post this in their OP, his op is not self moderated one, so feel free to post negative against them, if they want to continue the business, he will pay you. And don't forget leave this site after you have the money

tautvilis did.

We thought like you, but transaction id can be selected.

"Bet Amount above the maximum amount will be refunded after six confirmation." I've sent you 0.9733BTC and that transaction already has over 125 confirmations. Please refund.

And secondstrade posted this:

Our system had a problem for  about 10 hours .
But it was fixed.
We will refund  for the bet of the time.
But  scammer  will not be refunded.
Thank you

But it's unclear who they are referring to.

[tautvilis]

I am not the only person who is not refunded by the owner:

Are you serious admin? I SENT TO YOU 2 PMs, 2 POSTS IN YOUR THREAD FOR REFUND

People, let's see the honesty of the owner of secondstrade.com.
I sent 0.8 BTC by error... (it was over limit so game was not played)

Tx ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83
Secondstrade tx status: http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83 (NOT PLAYED)

Since 2 days, i have no responses, the admin ignore all my pms etc...
Please refund my transaction

Can someone from default trust add him some negative feedback. Maybe a red trust rating will speed the things up.

[Chris!]

Wow the scam accusations keep popping up for secondstrade. I saw that they were having some technical difficulties but this is getting ridiculous. Keep us in the loop OP.

[sp3edm]

tautvilis, i'm too not refunded by the owner.

Tx ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83 - 0.8 BTC

It seems like Secondstrade.com wants to keep our money because they lost 9 BTC at their shitty tx dice game...

On secondstrade.com notice, it say if amount is over limit, the tx is refunded automatically after 6 confirmations. That's not true.

[rabiow12]

SECONDSTRADE.COM still GOT NO FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING SINGLE RED TRUST INTERSTING!!  

[loveofmylife]

One more day, do you guys get the money back? Update the status, I usually see many complaint in their OP, he runs a so big paid campaign with lowest rate, IMO he is a greedy casino owner. I wish you win win win, and let him broke.

[spartak_t]

Guys,

I think that a separate thread should be created, where everybody should post their "story". I already notified secondstrade (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1641673.msg16524353#msg16524353) about another scam accusation, but please understand that its difficult to follow everything. I will do my best to assist you.

[sp3edm]

Guys,

I think that a separate thread should be created, where everybody should post their "story". I already notified secondstrade (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1641673.msg16524353#msg16524353) about another scam accusation, but please understand that its difficult to follow everything. I will do my best to assist you.

I started new scam thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1644520.msg16540424#msg16540424

[tautvilis]

I have messaged these members from default trust:
"BayAreaCoins", "markj113", "dooglus", "suchmoon", "cryptodevil", "shorena", "Blazed", "Tomatocage", "OldScammerTag", "Raize", "OgNasty",  "SaltySpitoon",  "BadBear",  "theymos",  "Vod",  "RHavar",  "tysat",  "dogie",  "jackjack",  "Dabs",  "DannyHamilton",  "xetsr",  "Mitchell",  "hilariousandco",  "TheButterZone"
I can only send a message to up to 10 people at once so I only sent a message to people that I am familiar with.

[Blazed]

Waiting to see a reply from the owners on this. I think it is a little fast to drop a negative until they respond, though. Sometimes people get a little busy and refunds can be delayed.

[tautvilis]

Waiting to see a reply from the owners on this. I think it is a little fast to drop a negative until they respond, though. Sometimes people get a little busy and refunds can be delayed.

I've now been waiting 5 days for the refund, although it is clearly stated in their rules that ""Bet Amount above the maximum amount will be refunded after six confirmation."

[suchmoon]

Waiting to see a reply from the owners on this. I think it is a little fast to drop a negative until they respond, though. Sometimes people get a little busy and refunds can be delayed.

I negged them even before tautvilis PMed - clearly secondstrade is aware of the issue, it's been several days, their own terms state "after 6 confirmations", they have refunded some users recently but not the OP and a few others.

I can always revise or remove the feedback but their actions are highly suspect at this time so the site should be avoided until they refund or provide a valid reason not to.

[sp3edm]

Waiting to see a reply from the owners on this. I think it is a little fast to drop a negative until they respond, though. Sometimes people get a little busy and refunds can be delayed.

I'm in the same case of tautvilis.
Blazed, the owner is ignoring our messages... you can see on the official thread.
I sent some pm and never had response.

He will never refund us, so people need to be warned to avoid future scams from him.
The main reason seems because the owner of secondstrade made a new game called "txdice" who was shitty coded and resulted a lost of 9 BTC... So he needs to scam to recover money.


For information, 0.8 + 0.9733 + 0.5 => 2.2733 BTC scammed in 5 days. (only for 3 people).

[Lutpin]

Upon checking the address, it seems the bet was refunded, is that correct? It's not.
While being slow with it, they issued a few refunds earlier today (checking their thread, there were quite a number of open refunds to catch up on).

I've now been waiting 5 days for the refund, although it is clearly stated in their rules that ""Bet Amount above the maximum amount will be refunded after six confirmation."

They should adjust that part of their rules, I think it means bets are refunded after at least six confirmations.
Seeing as they are doing refunds now, they are probably doing them manually (?) or at least semi-manually.

That's the OP's address. last TX is October 7 to 1NqC, which is secondstrade address. No refund as far as I can see.

You're rigth, where's my glasses?
Secondstrades has been carrying out refunds this morning, seems OP was not among them, though.

[suchmoon]

Upon checking the address, it seems the bet was refunded, is that correct?

I don't think so:

https://blockchain.info/address/1PKd8B1BGWJW19NSeHY6KGKkhCsFGtkAvH

That's the OP's address. last TX is October 7 to 1NqC, which is secondstrade address. No refund as far as I can see.