Thanks to VOD & Suchmoon secondstrade.com now got a red trust

[rabiow12]

Hi all,

Again Thanks to VOD & Suchmoon secondstrade.com now got a red trust , Thank you very VERY much sir, they still refuse to refund me but waiting for any hope.  



Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.2340

Thank you again.

[1715583237]

1715583237

[spartak_t]

Can you sign a message to prove that you own these addresses? It is clear that transactions were to secondtrade-related addresses, but that doesn't prove you own them.

I still got no refund ,Please help urgently.

https://blockchain.info/tx/e9c1b4482d8fb046ed452b1286791872a7dfb316a19e2cd173360448854abc25
 
AND

https://blockchain.info/tx/78476e80288d5db927f78ea28abd94219ebe08a7d9f792712b79f6b9589495a6

Thank you.

you used transaction id that you selected.  so we can not refund you.

EDIT: Their account has some negative trust, but I'm not sure if it is deserved.

[rabiow12]

Yes i can sign a msg to prove that its my address but do you think that this will make any change since he is refusing to refund me or or his other players...?

Can you sign a message to prove that you own these addresses? It is clear that transactions were to secondtrade-related addresses, but that doesn't prove you own them.

I still got no refund ,Please help urgently.

https://blockchain.info/tx/e9c1b4482d8fb046ed452b1286791872a7dfb316a19e2cd173360448854abc25
 
AND

https://blockchain.info/tx/78476e80288d5db927f78ea28abd94219ebe08a7d9f792712b79f6b9589495a6

Thank you.

you used transaction id that you selected.  so we can not refund you.

EDIT: Their account has some negative trust, but I'm not sure if it is deserved.

[spartak_t]

Yes i can sign a msg to prove that its my address but do you think that this will make any change since he is refusing to refund me or or his other players...?

I would try to read between the lines if I were you:

you used transaction id that you selected.  so we can not refund you.

They didn't said that you've lost, they basically said that you used random transaction.

[KWH]

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else? 

[ndnh]

I am not really sure, in this case, who tried to scam / scammed who.

you used transaction id that you selected.  so we can not refund you.

They didn't said that you've lost, they basically said that you used random transaction.

Secondstrade means that OP found a flaw in their provably fair system and intentionally broadcasted the transaction ids that win.

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Wondering the same thing.

[electronicash]

I'm with you OP.
There had been accusation to him winde the start, i was also into binary few months ago until i got scammed.
What i don't like with secondstrade is that you are forced to use harddrive wallet to bet and that will cause delay in betting, that itself seem scamy to me.

[spartak_t]

you used transaction id that you selected.  so we can not refund you.

They didn't said that you've lost, they basically said that you used random transaction.

Secondstrade means that OP found a flaw in their provably fair system and intentionally broadcasted the transaction ids that win.

Maybe that could be the case, but what if he sign a message and prove ownership of the address? I'm not sure how to check if a transaction is winning or losing, because I have other things to do now.

[rabiow12]

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Yes i did in his thread and if you mean in his profile than huh!! Its already full of scam accusations but no red trust also i didnt cheat or anything if the owner has problems in his game than thats not my fucking problem he must refund us WFT !.

[spartak_t]

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Yes i did in his thread and if you mean in his profile than huh!! Its already full of scam accusations but no red trust also i didnt cheat or anything if the owner has problems in his game than thats not my fucking problem he must refund us WFT !.

You said that you are going to sign a message to prove ownership, yet you continue to talk with unsupported claims?

[rabiow12]

Sure, I will sign a msg as soon as i get home hopping that i will get my money back from a big monster like secondstrade.com

Thank u

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Yes i did in his thread and if you mean in his profile than huh!! Its already full of scam accusations but no red trust also i didnt cheat or anything if the owner has problems in his game than thats not my fucking problem he must refund us WFT !.

You said that you are going to sign a message to prove ownership, yet you continue to talk with unsupported claims?

[warningsigns]

Hi all,

Im running this scam accusation against every trusted member cause this guy "secondstrade.com" is scamming all his players and got no red trust while a poor guy was selling an amazon gift card for 15 usd got huge amounts of red trust asking him to post proves in order to delete his red trust.... so the funny part noone ever asked the member secondstrade.com for anything hi is totaly being ignored like hi is some kind of a mafia
.. now if you want to see what im talking about here is his thread where you can hear his players screaming for help and noone doing a damn about it :

Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.2340

Scammer profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381676


Finaly i say : what a fair forum....really!

The simple reason behind this is because some of the green-trust members (hero and legendary in fact) are most likely being compensated with a "cut" by these degenerate fraudsters. As such, these so-called "pillars of the community" withhold the red label.

[warningsigns]

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Yes i did in his thread and if you mean in his profile than huh!! Its already full of scam accusations but no red trust also i didnt cheat or anything if the owner has problems in his game than thats not my fucking problem he must refund us WFT !.

You said that you are going to sign a message to prove ownership, yet you continue to talk with unsupported claims?

Tsk tsk. When a nerve is struck you see them supporting these fraudsters.

[KWH]

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Yes i did in his thread and if you mean in his profile than huh!! Its already full of scam accusations but no red trust also i didnt cheat or anything if the owner has problems in his game than thats not my fucking problem he must refund us WFT !.

You said that you are going to sign a message to prove ownership, yet you continue to talk with unsupported claims?

Tsk tsk. When a nerve is struck you see them supporting these fraudsters.

Hi all,

Im running this scam accusation against every trusted member cause this guy "secondstrade.com" is scamming all his players and got no red trust while a poor guy was selling an amazon gift card for 15 usd got huge amounts of red trust asking him to post proves in order to delete his red trust.... so the funny part noone ever asked the member secondstrade.com for anything hi is totaly being ignored like hi is some kind of a mafia
.. now if you want to see what im talking about here is his thread where you can hear his players screaming for help and noone doing a damn about it :

Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.2340

Scammer profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381676


Finaly i say : what a fair forum....really!

The simple reason behind this is because some of the green-trust members (hero and legendary in fact) are most likely being compensated with a "cut" by these degenerate fraudsters. As such, these so-called "pillars of the community" withhold the red label.

You obviously have a reading/understanding disorder but none the less, back up your accusations with proof.

[spartak_t]

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Yes i did in his thread and if you mean in his profile than huh!! Its already full of scam accusations but no red trust also i didnt cheat or anything if the owner has problems in his game than thats not my fucking problem he must refund us WFT !.

You said that you are going to sign a message to prove ownership, yet you continue to talk with unsupported claims?

Tsk tsk. When a nerve is struck you see them supporting these fraudsters.

Someone paid me 1 FAIL to jump on this thread. Nothing personal, it's just business. 

[rabiow12]

Signed msg address 1:

Address: 142VcHKH1ALXsF5iqzmE1LGEc1VXYTnn5S
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IJ7PPB4EqWfHRR0+Z6YAiz/kZ4PA8HUGXnksavjm5fgrGKi3CaGMj1z6UNe6rofPdWtKxzU7atysK1Zp1n0DUGI=

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Signed msg address 2:

Address: 1CsHZNGcTFkgLvBhwL4rwnvmTsQ4P6qZYz
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IAc7Zk7BIFmv1M6b1/SwXFze6YDPZHtJfGm/HjFdgDrNeC52re4eeDvR3Grb5U++hZzslp3dSHJH93ZnvlLu7Qc=



Hopping that this will make any change...


Thank you.

[spartak_t]

Quoting for reference:

Hi all,

Im running this scam accusation against every trusted member cause this guy "secondstrade.com" is scamming all his players and got no red trust while a poor guy was selling an amazon gift card for 15 usd got huge amounts of red trust asking him to post proves in order to delete his red trust.... so the funny part noone ever asked the member secondstrade.com for anything he is totaly being ignored like hi is some kind of a mafia
.. now if you want to see what im talking about here is his thread where you can hear his players screaming for help and noone doing a damn about it :

Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.2340

Scammer profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381676


Finaly i say : what a fair forum....really!

you used transaction id that you selected.  so we can not refund you.

They didn't said that you've lost, they basically said that you used random transaction.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg16512431#msg16512431

Maybe that could be the case, but what if he sign a message and prove ownership of the address? I'm not sure how to check if a transaction is winning or losing, because I have other things to do now.

Signed msg address 1:

Address: 142VcHKH1ALXsF5iqzmE1LGEc1VXYTnn5S
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IJ7PPB4EqWfHRR0+Z6YAiz/kZ4PA8HUGXnksavjm5fgrGKi3CaGMj1z6UNe6rofPdWtKxzU7atysK1Zp1n0DUGI=

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Signed msg address 2:

Address: 1CsHZNGcTFkgLvBhwL4rwnvmTsQ4P6qZYz
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IAc7Zk7BIFmv1M6b1/SwXFze6YDPZHtJfGm/HjFdgDrNeC52re4eeDvR3Grb5U++hZzslp3dSHJH93ZnvlLu7Qc=



Hopping that this will make any change...


Thank you.

SecondsTrade, care to elaborate?

P.S. I've notified them via PM and Twitter: https://twitter.com/FAILCommunity/status/785777826569912320

[satmas]

Signed msg address 1:

Address: 142VcHKH1ALXsF5iqzmE1LGEc1VXYTnn5S
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IJ7PPB4EqWfHRR0+Z6YAiz/kZ4PA8HUGXnksavjm5fgrGKi3CaGMj1z6UNe6rofPdWtKxzU7atysK1Zp1n0DUGI=


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Signed msg address 2:

Address: 1CsHZNGcTFkgLvBhwL4rwnvmTsQ4P6qZYz
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IAc7Zk7BIFmv1M6b1/SwXFze6YDPZHtJfGm/HjFdgDrNeC52re4eeDvR3Grb5U++hZzslp3dSHJH93ZnvlLu7Qc=



Hopping that this will make any change...


Thank you.

address 1: message verified

address 2: message verified

[RocketSingh]

Signed msg address 1:

Address: 142VcHKH1ALXsF5iqzmE1LGEc1VXYTnn5S
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IJ7PPB4EqWfHRR0+Z6YAiz/kZ4PA8HUGXnksavjm5fgrGKi3CaGMj1z6UNe6rofPdWtKxzU7atysK1Zp1n0DUGI=

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Signed msg address 2:

Address: 1CsHZNGcTFkgLvBhwL4rwnvmTsQ4P6qZYz
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IAc7Zk7BIFmv1M6b1/SwXFze6YDPZHtJfGm/HjFdgDrNeC52re4eeDvR3Grb5U++hZzslp3dSHJH93ZnvlLu7Qc=



Hopping that this will make any change...


Thank you.

Well, now I hope, we'll see an explanation from SecondsTrade.

[rabiow12]

Do you think secondstrade the SCAMMER will give a shit to reply here ? Huh!!  He fucking refuse to refund us without any proof look at what he said:

I have a bet that won, and has not paid out yet. It was supposed to pay out 0.354246BTC
Your site is returning an error page

http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=2d0f175f4b2bf8fa488fd7587a9d6d967325d19de891a3e06e9537f26ca40a99

Thanks for your help!

..............

it was our mistake that  we opened imperfect  txdice.
nevertheless, it is also not a right thing for you  to use the weakest point of TX dice.  
it can not be refunded.
thank you.

 WTFFFF? POST A FUCKING PROOF THAT WE USED YOUR weakest point of TX dice.!!!!!! ALSO ITS NOT OUR PROBLEM EXACTLY AS YOU SAID ! MOTHERFUCKER

Signed msg address 1:

Address: 142VcHKH1ALXsF5iqzmE1LGEc1VXYTnn5S
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IJ7PPB4EqWfHRR0+Z6YAiz/kZ4PA8HUGXnksavjm5fgrGKi3CaGMj1z6UNe6rofPdWtKxzU7atysK1Zp1n0DUGI=

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Signed msg address 2:

Address: 1CsHZNGcTFkgLvBhwL4rwnvmTsQ4P6qZYz
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IAc7Zk7BIFmv1M6b1/SwXFze6YDPZHtJfGm/HjFdgDrNeC52re4eeDvR3Grb5U++hZzslp3dSHJH93ZnvlLu7Qc=



Hopping that this will make any change...


Thank you.

Well, now I hope, we'll see an explanation from SecondsTrade.

AND STILL NO RED TRUST FOR SECONDSTRADE TILL NOW  WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!! WOOOOOOOOOW

[spartak_t]

snip

If you continue to act this way I am going to leave the thread. Don't need to explain that I'm going to paint them in red, if they don't explain their actions, but I guess I must give you a head as well....

Geez.....

[88highroller]

Secondtrade is a long time scam, don't play there any more, they hire 400 paid campaigners to make promotion for him, with lowest rate, let he screws himself. 

[Itsmylife]

Signed msg address 1:

Address: 142VcHKH1ALXsF5iqzmE1LGEc1VXYTnn5S
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IJ7PPB4EqWfHRR0+Z6YAiz/kZ4PA8HUGXnksavjm5fgrGKi3CaGMj1z6UNe6rofPdWtKxzU7atysK1Zp1n0DUGI=

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Signed msg address 2:

Address: 1CsHZNGcTFkgLvBhwL4rwnvmTsQ4P6qZYz
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IAc7Zk7BIFmv1M6b1/SwXFze6YDPZHtJfGm/HjFdgDrNeC52re4eeDvR3Grb5U++hZzslp3dSHJH93ZnvlLu7Qc=



Hopping that this will make any change...


Thank you.

Well, now I hope, we'll see an explanation from SecondsTrade.

they have a lot  of explanations when their system have issues about delay times show bet they told us that is delay of the blockchain  so they can not  refunded https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.2280
and when other player told that they got same problem with orther bitcoin wallet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.2280
secondstrade.com told that  they checked and the problems are double spend bitcoin so they will not refund anything
but I make sure all transactions was normal . so do you think they are fair right now?

[Lutpin]

So you're asking for our help by creating a thread you title scam accusation against us?
Don't you think that might be a little...idk...contra-productive?

[Itsmylife]

So you're asking for our help by creating a thread you title scam accusation against us?
Don't you think that might be a little...idk...contra-productive?

I dont think so, just he can not do anything right now , secondstrade.com lost a lot bitcoin in this time, so I think they are no longer fair .
but I still not understand how can we choose bitcoin id transactions ?

[rabiow12]

Hi all,

Again Thanks to VOD & Suchmoon secondstrade.com now got a red trust , Thank you very VERY much sir, they still refuse to refund me but waiting for any hope. 



Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.2340

Thank you again.

[rabiow12]

So you're asking for our help by creating a thread you title scam accusation against us?
Don't you think that might be a little...idk...contra-productive?

No sir, Its hurt when all u got is totaly gone...

[BitcoinSupremo]

I thought the red trust was not deserved in the first place because a lot of people are using secondstrade and getting their payments but after them not replying a single time to this thread although notified about it makes me think this Red Trust is deserved.

It's a good thing the community helped a newbie, that makes my trust on this forum and these heavy green trusted members grow more than it is.

[spartak_t]

I also gave them red trust. They haven't responded to my PM and tweet. I still believe that they probably had some problems, but I'm going to remove the negative feedback once/if they clear them out.

[rabiow12]

I also gave them red trust. They haven't responded to my PM and tweet. I still believe that they probably had some problems, but I'm going to remove the negative feedback once/if they clear them out.

Thank you sir, also look at his recent refunds they are all just small amounts and he is totaly ignoring to refund bigger amounts.


WHAT A real scammer !!

[ndnh]

Lacking info, so still unable to figure out what exactly happened.

Looking into this.

[spartak_t]

Lacking info, so still unable to figure out what exactly happened.

Looking into this.

Lacking info? The guy proved that he owns these BTC addresses, but secondstrade said that he used "random transaction". I don't think that more proofs are needed.

[wrxbuzz]

Scammer has a big campaign, and then?    Not everyone will help us, they will still promote that scam site

[oksana28]

A year back I had also played on secondstrade and I can say that they mint mony by scamming big amounts , they will let you win small amounts.
I am confirmed that they are rigged.

[Vod]

secondstrade.com sent me a PM admitting he has not paid out, but he is blaming the winnings on a bug in the software.  In his own words:
"because using the flaw of TX dice, they had won for the every bet , and then the betting amount was gradually increased.
when we realize the problem, it was too late."

[rabiow12]

Thank you sir for replying here, because of this unknown  bug (Not the player's fault.) secondstrade.com named all his winners  "cheaters" without any PROOF, So refusing to refund them for something  they Dont know, Dont care, Not there fault does it make  sense?. Also All i did is sending my bet to his bitcoin address and my money now is gone!

I want him to refund me now its all i have cause i didnt cheat also its not my problem if his game has problems or bugs.

Please refund me.

Thank you sir.

secondstrade.com sent me a PM admitting he has not paid out, but he is blaming the winnings on a bug in the software.  In his own words:
"because using the flaw of TX dice, they had won for the every bet , and then the betting amount was gradually increased.
when we realize the problem, it was too late."

[ndnh]

I want him to refund me now its all i have cause i didnt cheat also its not my problem if his game has problems or bugs.

You are not helping. Please post all your transactions with secondstrade txdice.

[Joel_Jantsen]

You are not helping. Please post all your transactions with secondstrade txdice.

Not sure if you read the thread or Am I missing something but OP has posted a link to the thread where he has linked to the related transactions that is

I still got no refund ,Please help urgently.

https://blockchain.info/tx/e9c1b4482d8fb046ed452b1286791872a7dfb316a19e2cd173360448854abc25
 
AND

https://blockchain.info/tx/78476e80288d5db927f78ea28abd94219ebe08a7d9f792712b79f6b9589495a6

Thank you.

which links to the address 13VpVj2rp684F2SaZmPc2hr48xYCwhg2jV beloning to one of the wallets of secondstrade.com.Waiting for secondstrade to resolve this.Either pay him or don't pay him but at least have a decency to close the open accusations.

[cpfreeplz]

You are not helping. Please post all your transactions with secondstrade txdice.

Not sure if you read the thread or Am I missing something but OP has posted a link to the thread where he has linked to the related transactions that is

I still got no refund ,Please help urgently.

https://blockchain.info/tx/e9c1b4482d8fb046ed452b1286791872a7dfb316a19e2cd173360448854abc25
 
AND

https://blockchain.info/tx/78476e80288d5db927f78ea28abd94219ebe08a7d9f792712b79f6b9589495a6

Thank you.

which links to the address 13VpVj2rp684F2SaZmPc2hr48xYCwhg2jV beloning to one of the wallets of secondstrade.com.Waiting for secondstrade to resolve this.Either pay him or don't pay him but at least have a decency to close the open accusations.

Didn't the op just have a thread hitching about vod removing his feedback? .. Lol ya then he said he was going to hack and scam to recoupe his losses. Wtf

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1649575.0

[ndnh]

You are not helping. Please post all your transactions with secondstrade txdice.

Not sure if you read the thread or Am I missing something but OP has posted a link to the thread where he has linked to the related transactions that is

I still got no refund ,Please help urgently.

https://blockchain.info/tx/e9c1b4482d8fb046ed452b1286791872a7dfb316a19e2cd173360448854abc25
 
AND

https://blockchain.info/tx/78476e80288d5db927f78ea28abd94219ebe08a7d9f792712b79f6b9589495a6

Thank you.

which links to the address 13VpVj2rp684F2SaZmPc2hr48xYCwhg2jV beloning to one of the wallets of secondstrade.com.Waiting for secondstrade to resolve this.Either pay him or don't pay him but at least have a decency to close the open accusations.

I would like all his transactions on txdice.

Didn't the op just have a thread hitching about vod removing his feedback? .. Lol ya then he said he was going to hack and scam to recoupe his losses. Wtf

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1649575.0

I was actually surprised when Vod added a trust feedback.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1639121.msg16503750#msg16503750

I'm not intersted anymore to get that shit money ... i will play durty like eveyone does here no fairness (as always) i will scam and hack more and more money.

Secondstrade.com will get hurt soon and much damage will be done everywhere on the internet .


I'm done! .

Funny. secondstrade lost more than he lost.